Former Assistant Darrin Horn fired at South Carolina

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[MuMark]

Quite a few people were disappointed that he accepted the South Carolina job right before Crean left thus taking him out of the running for MU.

I think it worked out ok.......

[only a warrior]

buh bye

[Golden Avalanche]

Quite a few people were disappointed that he accepted the South Carolina job right before Crean left thus taking him out of the running for MU.

I think it worked out ok.......

Incomparable situations.

Horn is a very nice guy. Certainly hope he lands somewhere because he knows the game well.

[lurch91]

Maybe he can join the assistant that Crean didn't take with him (not Buzz) to IU and coach in the Chinese league.  Can't remember his name....

[Silkk the Shaka]

Maybe he can join the assistant that Crean didn't take with him (not Buzz) to IU and coach in the Chinese league.  Can't remember his name....

http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/082107aad.html

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Maybe he can join the assistant that Crean didn't take with him (not Buzz) to IU and coach in the Chinese league.  Can't remember his name....

http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/rabadeaux_jason00.html

Rabadeaux?

[lurch91]

Jason Rabedeaux

That's it!  How do you go from being an assistant coach to Director of Basketball Operations?  Isn't the normal progression to go from Director of Basketball Operations to Assistant Coach?

Remember reading many rumors about Rabedeaux behavior, not sure if any was true.  But it was explain how he went from Assistant Coach to Director of Basketball Operations.

[Knight Commission]

He recruited Wade..big reason we landed him; although selling over MU over Bradley wasn't necessarily a tough sell.

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He recruited Wade..big reason we landed him; although selling over MU over Bradley wasn't necessarily a tough sell.

Also instrumental in getting Diener.

[Hoopaloop]

Quite a few people were disappointed that he accepted the South Carolina job right before Crean left thus taking him out of the running for MU.

I think it worked out ok.......

I don't agree with this conclusion.  Each situation is different.  If Horn had followed Crean and inherited 3 NBA guys on the roster, who is to say we don't have an exceptional year and it keeps rolling for him.  Horn had to step into a much different scenario.

When Cleveland fired Bellicheat, those other NFL teams that didn't hire him they probably said it worked out OK, too.  When the Raiders fired Shanahan, those other teams that passed him up might have said the same thing.  Of course, both Shanahan and Bellicheat have multiple Super Bowl titles after they got fired.  The situations were different the next time they came into a job. 

[Lennys Tap]

I don't agree with this conclusion.  Each situation is different.  If Horn had followed Crean and inherited 3 NBA guys on the roster, who is to say we don't have an exceptional year and it keeps rolling for him.  Horn had to step into a much different scenario.

When Cleveland fired Bellicheat, those other NFL teams that didn't hire him they probably said it worked out OK, too.  When the Raiders fired Shanahan, those other teams that passed him up might have said the same thing.  Of course, both Shanahan and Bellicheat have multiple Super Bowl titles after they got fired.  The situations were different the next time they came into a job. 

Comparing pro football coaches to guys running college basketball programs is ridiculous. Let's go apples to apples - give us your long list of college basketball coaches who won big after failing miserably at their first high major job. To anybody with half a brain and an ounce of fairness it's clear that Buzz and Darrin aren't in the same league - and every D1 AD (including the one at South Carolina) would agree.

[GGGG]

Darrin Horn's record got steadily worse at South Carolina.  21-10; 15-16; 14-16; 10-21.

I think the guy is a good mid-major coach, and I think if he would have stayed at WKU that he would have had a nice career there.  (If you don't mind living in Bowling Green...terrible town.)  That is probably where he will end up eventually.

[Hoopaloop]

Comparing pro football coaches to guys running college basketball programs is ridiculous. Let's go apples to apples - give us your long list of college basketball coaches who won big after failing miserably at their first high major job. To anybody with half a brain and an ounce of fairness it's clear that Buzz and Darrin aren't in the same league - and every D1 AD (including the one at South Carolina) would agree.

I'm being absolutely fair.  The situations for Buzz and Darrin were vastly different.  Yes?  Walking into the #2 basketball budget in the country with 3 NBA guys on the roster on the heels of 3 straight NCAA tournaments is different than walking into a Football crazed school with a modest basketball budget and 7 straight seasons without a winning record in SEC play.  Do we agree on this?

Often you just need to get some success under your belt and things start cascading in the right direction to build up some credibility.  By no means am I saying Horn is better than Buzz.  I'm saying there are a number of coaches in this country that could have stepped into MU's situation in 2008 and done extremely well.  Saying someone failed somewhere else under a completely different situation is not an appropriate comparison to say they would have failed at MU or anywhere else. 

My comparison to football coaches is not ridiculous, it was just the easiest since ESPN had a snippet on them last night and was fresh in my head.  I could use examples from any walk of life.  Does a principal that is fired from one school because the school is littered with drugs, gangs, dropouts mean she can't succeed elsewhere?  It has happened more than you think.  The situation you walk into sets the stage.  Look at your own comments about a certain coach you called a failure in his first three years and this year a rousing success. I remember the anti-Painter crowd when he went 9-20 or whatever it was, but he turned it around. Situations matter.  It's not a negative, it is the reality we all face when we take an opportunity in any part of life. 

[77ncaachamps]

Oh the mighty Crean coaching tree.

*cough* wannabe Izzo *cough*

[smrunner99]

My comparison to football coaches is not ridiculous, it was just the easiest since ESPN had a snippet on them last night and was fresh in my head.  I could use examples from any walk of life.  Does a principal that is fired from one school because the school is littered with drugs, gangs, dropouts mean she can't succeed elsewhere?  It has happened more than you think.  The situation you walk into sets the stage.  Look at your own comments about a certain coach you called a failure in his first three years and this year a rousing success. I remember the anti-Painter crowd when he went 9-20 or whatever it was, but he turned it around. Situations matter.  It's not a negative, it is the reality we all face when we take an opportunity in any part of life. 

Why do you assume the principal is a she?

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I'm being absolutely fair.  The situations for Buzz and Darrin were vastly different.  Yes?  Walking into the #2 basketball budget in the country with 3 NBA guys on the roster on the heels of 3 straight NCAA tournaments is different than walking into a Football crazed school with a modest basketball budget and 7 straight seasons without a winning record in SEC play.  Do we agree on this?

Often you just need to get some success under your belt and things start cascading in the right direction to build up some credibility.  By no means am I saying Horn is better than Buzz.  I'm saying there are a number of coaches in this country that could have stepped into MU's situation in 2008 and done extremely well.  Saying someone failed somewhere else under a completely different situation is not an appropriate comparison to say they would have failed at MU or anywhere else. 

My comparison to football coaches is not ridiculous, it was just the easiest since ESPN had a snippet on them last night and was fresh in my head.  I could use examples from any walk of life.  Does a principal that is fired from one school because the school is littered with drugs, gangs, dropouts mean she can't succeed elsewhere?  It has happened more than you think.  The situation you walk into sets the stage.  Look at your own comments about a certain coach you called a failure in his first three years and this year a rousing success. I remember the anti-Painter crowd when he went 9-20 or whatever it was, but he turned it around. Situations matter.  It's not a negative, it is the reality we all face when we take an opportunity in any part of life. 

If he is so good, explain then why his record got progressively worse?

[Pakuni]

I don't agree with this conclusion.  Each situation is different.  If Horn had followed Crean and inherited 3 NBA guys on the roster, who is to say we don't have an exceptional year and it keeps rolling for him.  Horn had to step into a much different scenario.

When Cleveland fired Bellicheat, those other NFL teams that didn't hire him they probably said it worked out OK, too.  When the Raiders fired Shanahan, those other teams that passed him up might have said the same thing.  Of course, both Shanahan and Bellicheat have multiple Super Bowl titles after they got fired.  The situations were different the next time they came into a job. 

You don't agree it worked out? What?
It doesn't matter what Darrin Horn could or could not have done at MU. What matters is what Buzz has done at MU. And, by all counts, it's worked out.

And enough with the "inherited three NBA guys on his roster." One of those "NBA guys" has played exactly zero NBA minutes. Another is teetering between the NBA and D League. The third is a players whose game took off after Buzz became head coach. You make it sound like the team was stocked with lottery picks.
Moreover, the program is now two full seasons removed from any of those players, stocked with players Buzz recruited and better than it's been since the FF season. So while Buzz has built and improved upon what he inherited, Horn's teams have gotten progressively worse.

Yep, it worked out.

FWIW, Tim Buckley was the main guy in landing Wade, not Horn.

[MuMark]

All I said was it worked out ok that we got Buzz and not Horn.

Nobody could say  with any certainty that Horn would have done better or worse at MU but considering we have made the NCAA every year since Buzz was hired, made the sweet 16 last year and earned a 3 seed this year with a totally new roster I think it's more then fair to say.....

It worked out ok.......

[Hoopaloop]

If he is so good, explain then why his record got progressively worse?

Is this getting progressively worse?

Year 1  24-3
Year 2  21-2
Year 3  19-5
Year 4  17-6
Year 5  15-8
Year 6  7-21
Year 7  6-18

[Hoopaloop]

You don't agree it worked out? What?

I don't agree with the implication that someone else couldn't have done well also.  The situations were different.  That's how I read his post and looks like Golden Avalanche did as well.  Buzz has done great.  I'm not one of those people that believes he is the only person in America that could do great in that role.

[Lennys Tap]

All I said was it worked out ok that we got Buzz and not Horn.

Nobody could say  with any certainty that Horn would have done better or worse at MU but considering we have made the NCAA every year since Buzz was hired, made the sweet 16 last year and earned a 3 seed this year with a totally new roster I think it's more then fair to say.....

It worked out ok.......

It's OK, Mark. Hoop has an alert - whenever anyone says anything even slightly positive about Buzz it goes off and he runs over here with the old "Buzz woke up on third base and thought he hit a triple" bs. Conveniently disregards that Buzz was left little for year 2 and nothing for years 3 and 4. Buzz rebuilt on the run while Horn oversaw his program's decline, but that won't stop Hoop from (wrongly) asserting this was a good luck/bad luck scenario.

[Pakuni]

Is this getting progressively worse?

Year 1  24-3
Year 2  21-2
Year 3  19-5
Year 4  17-6
Year 5  15-8
Year 6  7-21
Year 7  6-18

I'm sure you're trying to make some completely irrelevant point here, perhaps with another coach's record, but Horn's USC record is as follows:

Year 1   21-10
Year 2   15-16
Year 3   14-16
Year 4   10-21

Yeah, that's progressively worse.

[LON]

It's OK, Mark. Hoop has an alert - whenever anyone says anything even slightly positive about Buzz it goes off and he runs over here with the old "Buzz woke up on third base and thought he hit a triple" bs. Conveniently disregards that Buzz was left little for year 2 and nothing for years 3 and 4. Buzz rebuilt on the run while Horn oversaw his program's decline, but that won't stop Hoop from (wrongly) asserting this was a good luck/bad luck scenario.

I am the terror that flaps in the night...

HOOPIN!

[jmayer1]

I'm being absolutely fair.  The situations for Buzz and Darrin were vastly different.  Yes?  Walking into the #2 basketball budget in the country with 3 NBA guys on the roster on the heels of 3 straight NCAA tournaments is different than walking into a Football crazed school with a modest basketball budget and 7 straight seasons without a winning record in SEC play.  Do we agree on this?

Yeah, too bad Buzz didn't walk into a program fresh off a Final Four with 2 NBA guys on the roster and miss the tourney the next 2 years.

Get lost.