Chris Jones?

[ZMovieman]

Gary Parrish tweeted about possible involvement on JC prospect Chris Jones. Anyone know anything about him?

@GaryParrishCBS: Lots asking where Chris Jones will play D1. Too early to tell. He's got 1 more year of JC to play. But Marquette is in there pretty good.

@GaryParrishCBS: Buzz used to coach Chris Jones' HS coach (Jermaine Johnson) and used to work with Chris Jones' JC coach (Steve Forbes). That's a good combo.

[dwaderoy2004]

you forgot TWITTER TRACKER!!!!!!!

Top 50ish overall recruit for 2011.  Committed to Tennessee but went JUCO when Pearl was canned.  Sounds like one more year in JUCO, so would be a 2013 recruit.  On the small side (5'10"), but we do need a point.  Would put class sizes pretty out of whack...

Here's a short story on the kid when he originally went JUCO:

http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/feed/2011-05/cbk-recruiting-2012/story/top-point-guard-to-bypass-tennessee-go-to-junior-college

Added: Parrish just tweeted that he is the best JUCO player in the country right now.  Sign him and figure it out later...

[GGGG]

I'm assuming that since we would have to wait another year that he wasn't a qualifier.

[Canadian Dimes]

Eligible next year if he was a qualifier.

[nyg]

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Chris-Jones-98837

Here's his Rivals summary.

[fanofTR]

Also just saw the tweet about him being the best JUCO player. Get him here. Talent wins, regardless of position. As long as he is not another Montrelle Clark in terms of off court issues, would love to have him.

[bamamarquettefan]

AGREED!  Pierre Jackson is 5-foot-10 and was the best JUCO player last year, and I've been really impressed with him this year.  When I run Value Add he was the 73rd best player in the country this year, which certainly helped Baylor in their season.

If we can get anywhere near that would be awesome (sorry, this is still where I always pause to ask why I wanted Junior to play those 14 minutes two years ago - ugggghhhh).

And if someone pushes him around for being a little small, Derrick will come in and deck them!

[GoMarquette32]

He would be a great player to bring in for scoring next year when DJO and crowder are gone,

[DomJamesToTheBasket]

Cumulative Statistics:
Individual Scoring Leaders
GP   TOTAL FGM (2PT. & 3PT.)   FGM(3)   FTM   PTS   IND AVE
27    166    49    105    486    18.000
Free Throw Percentage Leaders
GP   FTM   FTA   FT%
27    105    147    71%
Field Goal Percentage Leaders
GP   TOTAL FGM (2PT. & 3PT.)   TOTAL FGA   FG %
27    166    376    44%
Field Goal Percentage Leaders (3pt)
GP   FGM(3)   FGA(3)   FG%(3)
27    49    127    39%
Rebound Leaders
GP   OREB   DREB   REB   REB/GM
27    51    72    123    4.556
Assist Leaders
GP   ASST   ASST/GM
27    113    4.185
Steal Leaders
GP   STEALS   STLS/GM
27    49    1.815
Individual Blocks per Game
GP   BLOCKS   BLOCKS/GM
27    3    0.111
Individual Turnovers per Game
GP   TO   TO/GM
27    60    2.222

[real chili 83]

Also just saw the tweet about him being the best JUCO player. Get him here. Talent wins, regardless of position. As long as he is not another Montrelle Clark in terms of off court issues, would love to have him.

Sorry for going a bit off topic.....what ever ended up happening to Clark?  Was he convicted, did he end up playing ball somewhere?  Just curious.

[THEultimateWARRIOR]

Is it even possible to get him on our team? Wouldn't someone have to transfer? Personally I would love to see him on our team with wilson being a solid back up point.

[GGGG]

Sorry for going a bit off topic.....what ever ended up happening to Clark?  Was he convicted, did he end up playing ball somewhere?  Just curious.

He finished his career at a community college in Illinois and as far as I know isn't playing basketball.

Is it even possible to get him on our team? Wouldn't someone have to transfer? Personally I would love to see him on our team with wilson being a solid back up point.

Someone on the team would have to transfer, or a 2012 commit would have to not show for whatever reason.

[4everwarriors]

Is this turnin' into another Durley thread?

[brewcity77]

Is this turnin' into another Durley thread?

Whenever I hear about one of these available players for next year, his name always seems to come up. Honestly, I feel 98% confident Aaron will be here next year. I don't have that same confidence level with the rest of the team.

[dwaderoy2004]

He's a 2013 recruit.  We have an open scholly that year.  Everyone calm down.

[The Equalizer]

He's a 2013 recruit.  We have an open scholly that year.  Everyone calm down.

I think that one is reserved for Chris Otule--he'll redshirt this year and apply for another year of eligiblility, using that 2013 scholarship.

 

[GGGG]

I think that one is reserved for Chris Otule--he'll redshirt this year and apply for another year of eligiblility, using that 2013 scholarship.

Yep.  I think it is a safe assumption that the BE grants Otule a medical redshirt.

[dwaderoy2004]

ahhh.  good point.  still means that is two years away.  a lot can happen between now and then...including chris deciding he doesn't want to be in college for 6 years.

[jficke13]

Yep.  I think it is a safe assumption that the BE grants Otule a medical redshirt.

Not to be a negative nancy, but do we know what the likelihood of him getting that medical redshirt actually is? I'm usually pretty optimistic, but I don't want to get too far ahead of myself when I know absolutely nothing about what they consider when weighing a medical redshirt (or 2nd redshirt).

[brewcity77]

Not to be a negative nancy, but do we know what the likelihood of him getting that medical redshirt actually is? I'm usually pretty optimistic, but I don't want to get too far ahead of myself when I know absolutely nothing about what they consider when weighing a medical redshirt (or 2nd redshirt).

Until the end of next year, we won't truly know. But listening to how confident Buzz was in some earlier interviews, as though it was already a done deal, leads me to believe he probably got some measure of confirmation from the powers that be before CO went under the knife.

From what it seemed, we were all waiting for ages to see if he'd be back or not. Then suddenly, Buzz said he'd have another year and within days CO went to surgery. My guess is that it wasn't so much waiting for swelling as it was waiting to make sure he'd be granted a 6th year waiver. Once they felt confident he would, they scheduled surgery.

[GGGG]

ahhh.  good point.  still means that is two years away.  a lot can happen between now and then...including chris deciding he doesn't want to be in college for 6 years.

He is going to play...unless he suffers some other sort of setback.  Why wouldn't he?

[BCHoopster]

Theres alot that can happen in 2 years.  Transfers, Chris deciding he has had enough, gets hurt again, Burton is not eligible, ACT score not high enough.  Even the 4 kids this year, have they all passed the ACT tests and all eligible to play next year?  Vander going pro, OK, that is along shot?

[Canadian Dimes]

Again if jones was eligible out of hs he could be a 1 year juco... Has it been established wether he was a 1 or 2 year guy?

[dwaderoy2004]

He is going to play...unless he suffers some other sort of setback.  Why wouldn't he?

Maybe he gets sick of basketball.  Maybe he gets sicks of going to class.  Maybe he gets sick of the regimen associated with D1  basketball.  Maybe he doesn't want to be in the same place for 6 years.  

I think as of now, he's committed to the 6th year, otherwise, I don't think Buzz would have come out and said as much.  But it's perfectly reasonable to think that at some point he just decides "You know what, I'm good.  Time to move on."

[GGGG]

Again if jones was eligible out of hs he could be a 1 year juco... Has it been established wether he was a 1 or 2 year guy?

Well, this article doesn't come out and say it, but if you read between the lines it looks as though he was a non-qualifier.

http://www.govolsxtra.com/news/2011/apr/28/basketball-signee-chris-jones-heads-junior-college/?partner=RSS

[GGGG]

Maybe he gets sick of basketball.  Maybe he gets sicks of going to class.  Maybe he gets sick of the regimen associated with D1  basketball.  Maybe he doesn't want to be in the same place for 6 years. 

I think as of now, he's committed to the 6th year, otherwise, I don't think Buzz would have come out and said as much.  But it's perfectly reasonable to think that at some point he just decides "You know what, I'm good.  Time to move on."

I don't think I have ever heard of a high level D1 starter say that he's just sick of playing and wanting to move on.  I guess it can happen, but I doubt it.

[dwaderoy2004]

Again if jones was eligible out of hs he could be a 1 year juco... Has it been established wether he was a 1 or 2 year guy?

Well, Parrish said he has one more year of JUCO to play (see OP).  I'll trust him until proven otherwise.

[bilsu]

I am not big on recruiting guards under 6'. He is listed as 5'10", which probably means with shoes.

[Ellenson Guerrero]

Apparently Parrish has been on this kid for a while now:

http://eye-on-college-basketball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/26283066/32373246

Sounds like a pretty cocky SOB... Let's get him

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqgNmQsBwwA

[dwaderoy2004]

And that article clearly says 2013.

[chapman]

Can definitely see the benefit of getting a Juco point guard for 2013 rather than starting over with a freshman.  But ideally we'd also get Nunn in 2013 and a freshman point guard as well, either Duane Wilson or Jaylon Tate.  I think we will find two scholarships, not sure about three.  If we don't want to miss a beat, a point like Jones might be a good fit.

[Ellenson Guerrero]

Can definitely see the benefit of getting a Juco point guard for 2013 rather than starting over with a freshman.  But ideally we'd also get Nunn in 2013 and a freshman point guard as well, either Duane Wilson or Jaylon Tate.  I think we will find two scholarships, not sure about three.  If we don't want to miss a beat, a point like Jones might be a good fit.

The collective heads of the posters on this board will explode if we "find" three schollies for 2013...

That being said, I don't think we "need" both Nunn and a freshman point. We will have guys who can run the point: DWill, Taylor, Mayo, Blue and Nunn. None of them really gets me excited, but I don't think its worth running guys out of town.

[brewcity77]

Can definitely see the benefit of getting a Juco point guard for 2013 rather than starting over with a freshman.  But ideally we'd also get Nunn in 2013 and a freshman point guard as well, either Duane Wilson or Jaylon Tate.  I think we will find two scholarships, not sure about three.  If we don't want to miss a beat, a point like Jones might be a good fit.

Well, IDEALLY we'd get Jabari Parker, but...

[BCHoopster]

I think Buzz will try and stay away from Jucos in the future, it will be interesting to see if either jucos graduates or not.  I have been told no.  But give the kids the benefit of the doubt. The
2  seniors will get the highest paying jobs out of the senior class and that is good thing.  Unfortunately the NCAA wants kids to graduate, so does MU.

[noblewarrior]

I am not big on recruiting guards under 6'. He is listed as 5'10", which probably means with shoes.

'Flip' Pressy for Mizzu may be the best PG in the Country.  He's well under 5 ft.   Talent is talent.

[dwaderoy2004]

You're saying both DJO and Jae are not in line to graduate on time?  That would surprise me, especially DJO since he's been here for 3 years and was a full qualifier out of high school.  Unless of course it's because they leave school to focus on training and the draft.  I believe Jimmy did that last year, no?

[Clam Crowder]

Jimmy did do that, but didn't he eventually graduate anyway? I am pretty positive that Jae will not make that decision. It's pretty foolish to assume that just because they are JUCO's they have less intelligence than the rest of the basketball players. That's a pretty awful thing to assume.

[TedBaxter]

Jae has not gone through summer school for an entire summer either, so he may be behind the typical student/athlete. 

[MUMac]

Jae has not gone through summer school for an entire summer either, so he may be behind the typical student/athlete. 

I don't know if this would have anything to do with it, but his first JC year was at a non-accredited JC.  He transferred for year 2.  Obviously enough credits transferred, but I am guessing he was behind to start due to year 1.

[brewcity77]

I don't know if this would have anything to do with it, but his first JC year was at a non-accredited JC.  He transferred for year 2.  Obviously enough credits transferred, but I am guessing he was behind to start due to year 1.

That's the reason he wasn't here at all that first summer after he committed. He stayed at Howard to finish up his classwork so he was able to transfer into Marquette as a full junior. If he stayed on track, he should be ready to graduate.

[MU Avenue]

Gary Parrish tweeted about possible involvement on JC prospect Chris Jones. Anyone know anything about him?

Zmovieman, you are sitting at a computer with the Internet surrounding you and you had to ask here if anyone knows anything about this mysterious Chris Jones?

Goodness, a simple search yielded numerous results and a bounty of information, even after narrowing the search to eliminate Chris Jones, the creative-but-somewhat-wacky chef who is heralded as one of the best cooks in Chicago.

[NersEllenson]

I think Buzz will try and stay away from Jucos in the future, it will be interesting to see if either jucos graduates or not.  I have been told no.  But give the kids the benefit of the doubt. The
2  seniors will get the highest paying jobs out of the senior class and that is good thing.  Unfortunately the NCAA wants kids to graduate, so does MU.

I doubt Buzz will stay away from JUCO's in the future.  Actually think we will almost always have 1 JUCO on the roster.  Buzz's job is to get the best talent to MU, that will help the program win - and there is talent in the JUCO ranks...and Buzz has good inroads there.

Yes, the idea of all MU basketball players graduating is nice, but everyone's path to MU is different, as are their exits out of Marquette. And as you point out...if Jae and DJO don't graduate - they still will be the 2 highest paid kids in the senior class leaving MU this spring.  Being pro caliber good is a degree in and of itself.  These guys put in 1,000s of more hours developing their craft and profession than most typical college "graduates."  Plus, under Buzz they have likely learned a lot about the value of hard work and accountability...a communications degree in many cases isn't worth much more than the paper it is written on...let's not get carried away in the whole degree/graduation thing..

[Aughnanure]

Maybe he gets sick of basketball.  Maybe he gets sicks of going to class.  Maybe he gets sick of the regimen associated with D1  basketball.  Maybe he doesn't want to be in the same place for 6 years.  

I think as of now, he's committed to the 6th year, otherwise, I don't think Buzz would have come out and said as much.  But it's perfectly reasonable to think that at some point he just decides "You know what, I'm good.  Time to move on."

...maybe someone goes pro. Doubt it, but you're right; there are so many possibilities for what could happen.

[GGGG]

I doubt Buzz will stay away from JUCO's in the future.  Actually think we will almost always have 1 JUCO on the roster.  Buzz's job is to get the best talent to MU, that will help the program win - and there is talent in the JUCO ranks...and Buzz has good inroads there.

Yes, the idea of all MU basketball players graduating is nice, but everyone's path to MU is different, as are their exits out of Marquette. And as you point out...if Jae and DJO don't graduate - they still will be the 2 highest paid kids in the senior class leaving MU this spring.  Being pro caliber good is a degree in and of itself.  These guys put in 1,000s of more hours developing their craft and profession than most typical college "graduates."  Plus, under Buzz they have likely learned a lot about the value of hard work and accountability...a communications degree in many cases isn't worth much more than the paper it is written on...let's not get carried away in the whole degree/graduation thing..

Are you classifying TJ Taylor as a JUCO then?  Because he is hardly the traditional JUCO (full qualifier that started at a four year school.)  If you don't count him, we will have zero on our roster next year and haven't brought one in since Jae.

[4everwarriors]

...maybe someone goes pro. Doubt it, but you're right; there are so many possibilities for what could happen.
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I'm figurin' Blue goes to the Association for sure.

[Aughnanure]

Are you classifying TJ Taylor as a JUCO then?  Because he is hardly the traditional JUCO (full qualifier that started at a four year school.)  If you don't count him, we will have zero on our roster next year and haven't brought one in since Jae.

But neither were DJO and Butler w/ their 3 years of eligibility. Will we use as many JUCOs as we did before? No, but its highly likely that we will continue to supplement them in if the program thinks they have as much potential as DJO, Butler and Jae.

[bilsu]

'Flip' Pressy for Mizzu may be the best PG in the Country.  He's well under 5 ft.   Talent is talent.

I realize that, but they play a very good team pressing defense. In a half defense, unless you are strong like Dominc James a samll point guard is  going to be a defensive liability. Assuming you want to be a legimate contender for Big East title and final four, in my opinion, you need to stay away from pint size guards.

[ZMovieman]

Zmovieman, you are sitting at a computer with the Internet surrounding you and you had to ask here if anyone knows anything about this mysterious Chris Jones?

Goodness, a simple search yielded numerous results and a bounty of information, even after narrowing the search to eliminate Chris Jones, the creative-but-somewhat-wacky chef who is heralded as one of the best cooks in Chicago.

Just wanted the board's thoughts on him is all. Sorry for any weird phrasing. Course I could have google'd him and did. Thought he justified his own thread.

[GGGG]

But neither were DJO and Butler w/ their 3 years of eligibility. Will we use as many JUCOs as we did before? No, but its highly likely that we will continue to supplement them in if the program thinks they have as much potential as DJO, Butler and Jae.

But Taylor is even a little different since he went to a four year school first...but I see your point.

[MU Avenue]

Just wanted the board's thoughts on him is all. Sorry for any weird phrasing. Course I could have google'd him and did. Thought he justified his own thread.

I wrote that I was not going to be smart-alecky, ZMovieman. Then I was smart-alecky.

You are absolutely free -- and encouraged -- to introduce discussion on any topic of your choosing. In fact, I love good ol’ conversation, debate and all other forms of human interaction, even if via computer.

Apologies for the unnecessary comment. I meant no disrespect.

Go Marquette!

[Lighthouse 84]

'Flip' Pressy for Mizzu may be the best PG in the Country.  He's well under 5 ft.   Talent is talent.

Well under 5 feet? And they said Acker was small...Was his grandfather in the Wizard of Oz perhaps?

[4everwarriors]

Well under 5 feet? And they said Acker was small...Was his grandfather in the Wizard of Oz perhaps?

Did he turn down Crean?

[Dawson Rental]

Maybe he gets sick of basketball.  Maybe he gets sicks of going to class.  Maybe he gets sick of the regimen associated with D1  basketball.  Maybe he doesn't want to be in the same place for 6 years.  

I think as of now, he's committed to the 6th year, otherwise, I don't think Buzz would have come out and said as much.  But it's perfectly reasonable to think that at some point he just decides "You know what, I'm good.  Time to move on."

By now a winter in Texas might not sound too bad to him.

[Dawson Rental]

I am not big on recruiting guards under 6'. He is listed as 5'10", which probably means with shoes.

Yes, at that height he may not be able to toss the ball all the way up into the third row...

Sorry Junior, I couldn't resist.

[AZWarrior]

ahhh.  good point.  still means that is two years away.  a lot can happen between now and then...including chris deciding he doesn't want to be in college for 6 years.

Grad school.  MBA.   

[Skatastrophy]

Looks like we're still on this guy.  Went the juco route because of academics, but high praise from his coach.  With Kansas and L'ville on him as well he'd be a great pickup:

http://www.nwfdailynews.com/sports/raiders-51307-steve-commodity.html

[BCHoopster]

Nothing against the 2 Wilsons that they will have next year. but when is a freshman and the other needs to find an offensive game, Jones would be a perfect pick up, add Nunn
and the guard situation is solidified.  2013-2014 might be MU's best team on paper under Buzz.

[MUHoopsFan2]

  Not another smurf guard....please. I think we need to get a  big or another Forward don't you?

[Dawson Rental]

Not another smurf guard....please. I think we need to get a  big or another Forward don't you?

We have smurf guards on the roster?  I didn't know that.  Who?

[tower912]

Not another smurf guard....please. I think we need to get a  big or another Forward don't you?

Depends on Mayo's status.    Right about now, a quick guard sounds good.   

[GGGG]

Not another smurf guard....please. I think we need to get a  big or another Forward don't you?

Two weeks ago I would have agreed with you.  But with TJ Taylor leaving and Mayo's uncertainty, I most definitely we need at least one guard.

[real chili 83]

We have smurf guards on the roster?  I didn't know that.  Who?

Vander Blue. 

[BCHoopster]

Vander Blue is at best a complementary player, does not have the shake and bake to get his his shot off.  Does not mean he can not be a 12-14 point scorer, but that will be off the break
more often than not.  Might hit an open shot once in awhile.  There is nothing wrong with that, but that is all I see.  My hope is that he can finish at the rim this year and make majority
of those types of shots.  I see Lockett being more or a guard then Vander.

[brewcity77]

Not another smurf guard....please. I think we need to get a  big or another Forward don't you?

We could use another point guard, and if he can play high-major ball, I'm not too bothered by a short PG. This isn't the NBA, and with Junior leaving, our only PGs in 2013-14 and beyond are the two DW's. Neither has really proven themselves at this level. More experience, talent, and options at that position are a must. We need more size in 2014 and beyond, but for the next two years, another point is a bigger immediate priority.

[Dawson Rental]

Vander Blue is at best a complementary player, does not have the shake and bake to get his his shot off.  Does not mean he can not be a 12-14 point scorer, but that will be off the break
more often than not.  Might hit an open shot once in awhile.  There is nothing wrong with that, but that is all I see.  My hope is that he can finish at the rim this year and make majority
of those types of shots.  I see Lockett being more or a guard then Vander.

I think that you may have missed real chili 83's point.  Smurfs are blue and Vander is, well, A Blue.

[real chili 83]

I think that you may have missed real chili 83's point.  Smurfs are blue and Vander is, well, A Blue.

Ding ding ding  

[Hards Alumni]

Vander Blue is at best a complementary player, does not have the shake and bake to get his his shot off.  Does not mean he can not be a 12-14 point scorer, but that will be off the break
more often than not.  Might hit an open shot once in awhile.  There is nothing wrong with that, but that is all I see.  My hope is that he can finish at the rim this year and make majority
of those types of shots.  I see Lockett being more or a guard then Vander.

This will be Vander's breakout year.  Bank on it.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Vander Blue is at best a complementary player, does not have the shake and bake to get his his shot off.  Does not mean he can not be a 12-14 point scorer, but that will be off the break
more often than not.  Might hit an open shot once in awhile.  There is nothing wrong with that, but that is all I see.  My hope is that he can finish at the rim this year and make majority
of those types of shots.  I see Lockett being more or a guard then Vander.

I disagree completely with this.

Vander can create a shot whenever he wants. The problem is that he's not a good shooter, so it's not effective to isolate him (like you can do with DJO).

If he can shoot well enough to draw defenders closer to him on the parameter, that will give him a better chance to drive and/or create a quality pull-up opportunity (something McNeal was excellent at as a senior).

Strength, and jumpshooting. If those get a little better, he'll be really good. If they get significantly better, he's going to be all-conf.

[bilsu]

This will be Vander's breakout year.  Bank on it.

I think it will also be a breakout year for Blue. Some posters argue otherwise, but I believe Blue moving to the two from the three will be a hugh benefit for him. He is a player who needs the ball in his hands. You can argue all you want that there is no difference between a two or three in Buzz's offense, but I think you will see there is a difference. However, if Lockett plays the two and Blue stays at the 3 Blues's scoring will only improve marginally.