Fort Dix Plot !

[Murffieus]

Six muslims extremists (Radical Islam)----3 of them illegal immigrants caught in the act plotting to "kill as many soldiers at Fort Dix as possible"----and kill themselves in the process. According to media reports, they were inspired by Al Quida videos on Al Quida websites. Having had much of their leadership decapitated and the top leadership restricte in their direct communications-----the internet is Al Quida's new weapon

Which defers to another point----if we are forced out in Iraq by the Dems----the clear winner is Al Quida-------Fort Dix type plots will expand geometrically as the tide will be with Al Quida (everyone loves a winner)-----in that case expect many more Fort Dix type plots----some of which will be successful (we can only play so much defense)!

[mviale]

Can we believe anything the bush whitehouse tells us?

[Mayor McCheese]

Can we believe anything the bush whitehouse tells us?

amen

[Murffieus]

Please tell me what the "Bush White House" has to do with the Ft Dix plot?

If the Dems succeed in pushing us out of Iraq----the clear winner is Al Quida which will be perceived as the wave of the future by young Muslims----Radical Islam & Al Quida's ranks & pocket books swell-----eventually get WMD and many, many more lives lost down the road in the USA!

[mu_hilltopper]

"Authorities said there was no direct evidence connecting the men to any international terror organizations such as al-Qaida. But several of them said they were ready to kill and die "in the name of Allah," according to court papers.

.. Four of the men were born in the former Yugoslavia, one was born in Jordan and one came from Turkey, authorities said."

.. The concept that pulling out or not pulling out makes one iota of difference is pretty faulty.  Of course terrorists have been emboldened, excited, and have expanded ranks since the US invaded Iraq.  Leaving or not won't make one whit of difference at this point.  -- Had we done a better job, crushed the insurgency rapidly, and had more success rebuilding Iraq, then MAYBE.   That horse is far out of the barn now.  You can thank George, Dick, and Rummy for that.

[jutaw22mu]

yes we can believe what the "bush whitehouse" tells us.  this fort dix situation is downright scary and im glad we caught it before those terrorists could execute their plan.  i honestly dont understand why everything turns into an attack on the president. 

murf is right that pulling troops out of iraq or even signing legislation for a timeline would be victory in al quaidas eyes.  we need to stay there and all americans should be behind our troops.

[muarmy81]

I'm sorry but most muslims view any type of action as a victory regardless of how it actually has played out.
See recent Israel Hezbollah conflict, Saddam's "victory" over us in the first gulf war, the taliban's "victory" in Afghanistan, and as far as I'm concerned we completely destroyed the Iraqi army again during this war but whenever we leave you'll see countless emails/posts/blogs on these radical sites dictating the resounding victory they have attained...they inflict casualities through terrorist tactics but fail to stand up to a military force that lines up toe-to-toe with them.  They're cowards who fight among women and children and then celebrate "great victories" as they detonate themselves next to US soldiers and women and children.  it's all just an attempt to recruit.  They'll get one great recruiting poster out of this conflict, regardless when we leave, but we need to ensure we don't end up too thin and become unable to protect ourselves and our interests in other areas of the world, for example AT HOME.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Can we believe anything the bush whitehouse tells us?

Could we believe anything out of the Clinton Whitehouse...he asked rhetorically

 

[ChicosBailBonds]

Please tell me what the "Bush White House" has to do with the Ft Dix plot?

If the Dems succeed in pushing us out of Iraq----the clear winner is Al Quida which will be perceived as the wave of the future by young Muslims----Radical Islam & Al Quida's ranks & pocket books swell-----eventually get WMD and many, many more lives lost down the road in the USA!

Don't you know Murff, it's another plot like 9/11 where the Bush Administration blew up those buildings on purpose.

 


The biggest part of the story to me is that 3 of the 6 were....drum roll....ILLEGALLY HERE IN THE USA. I'm shocked, aren't you? Bush's biggest failure along with every RINO in Congress.  Immigration should be a slam dunk issue for these guys and they have blown it every which way.

[jutaw22mu]

Hahaha Chico, you mean to say Bush wasn't responsible for 9/11?  I always thought those guys in the white house were so sneaky...guess I was wrong.

And I was just getting ready to blame Bush for world hunger, pollution, darfur, Britney Spears shaving her head, the Cleveland Browns drafting Tim Couch and sucking since they came back. Guess I need to find someone else to blame all my problems on.  Did I mention, dubya was responsible for MU's loss to MSU in the NCAA tourney....lol apparently he bet big money on MSU and then paid off Crean to not score any points in the first 10 minutes of the game.   

[ChicosBailBonds]

 


But you know what, in a recent poll only 39% of Democrats believe Bush didn't know of 9-11.  You can't make this stuff up.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/22_believe_bush_knew_about_9_11_attacks_in_advance


Moonbat Majority: Only 40 Percent of Dems Certain Bush Didn't Know of 9-11
Posted by Matthew Sheffield on May 4, 2007 - 16:55.

According to a Rasmussen poll released today, just 39 percent of Democrats in this country say they are certain that President Bush did not know about the 9/11 attacks before they happened. Thirty-five percent of Democrats said they believe Bush did know, 26 percent are uncertain. Independents and Republicans are far more likely to disbelieve the conspiracy nonsense.

Frightening stuff.

It's really sad to what degree the left-dominated media has allowed the "truther" movement to gain such wide currency in our marketplace of ideas. You can bet if a Democrat had been president, the left in this country would not be so similarly deluded about 9/11.
           

         

[augoman]

That is scary, Chico, but as long as there is a radical left, there will be the 'flat-earth society'.

[Murffieus]

The Rasmussen poll illustrates the lunacy of the Dems logic that "we are attempting to enforce the will of the people" regarding Iraq.

When only 39% of the American people feel that GWB did NOT know about 9/11 before it happened----- the public has NO credibility whatsoever to call the shots on foriegn policy.

This reinforces the view that the Dems are opposing the war for political reasons, telling an uniformed public what they want to hear!

That poll findings speaks volumes!

[mviale]

Iraq could have paid for 1.8 million new teachers.

[Murffieus]

What good are 1.8 million new teachers if you're nation is destroyed. Radical Islam is out to do just that. Let them win in Iraq or Afghanistan and their numbers & funding will rise geometrically both in the mid east and here-----can't give the perception to muslims anywhere that "Radical Islam" is the wave of the future-----there are a billion of them!

[mviale]

Murf - you sound like you just snuck into Professor Zupko's class on Saladin - your thinking is about 1000 years behind. If we had 1.8 mm teachers, we would be very secure and our future would be bright.

[Murffieus]

Who are the 1.8 million additional teachers supposed to teach?-----seems to me we don't need anywhere near that many-----not enough classroom space if we did need them. If there were that many, teachers salaries would plummet.

In the age of suitcase nukes and other WMD, if the homeland isn't secure, there won't be anyone to teach!

[augoman]

mviale, the flaw in your thinking is that 1.8mm teachers would have any students.  'turning the other cheek' would mean radical islam runs the show, and the lunatics forbid women to be educated, (also the majority of teachers) and most males stay away from school out of fear...  also interferes w/ terrorist training and blowing themselves up on school buses.  
instead, why not fund the plethora of teachers w/ wasted foreign aide funds, or failed social programs where obvious corruption exists?  

[ChicosBailBonds]

Iraq could have paid for 1.8 million new teachers.

Imagine the number of teachers we could have hired with the UN's Corrupt Oil for Food Scandal.

[Murffieus]

Yea, and then borrowed more money each subsequent year to pay for them as they sit on their duff!

BTW-----how long would it take for our colleges and universties to turn out an additional 1.8 million teachers?

[Mayor McCheese]

you guys act on here as if Al Quida hasn't already won... with us invading Iraq, they have won.  They wanted to be put on the national showcase, and we did just that for them.  Due to this war, Al Quida's recruitment numbers has skyrocketed, even more hate us, and seeing as though we will never win this fight on terrorism (how can you fight a war against an idea, that failed when we fought the idea of communism in Vietnam), and dont say us winning the Cold War was a result of our fight against communism, no bloodshed was lost over that, just words were spoken.  Al Quida has already won, no matter the outcome of this lost war we are fighting.

[mu_hilltopper]

Exactly, Mayor.  One needs to look no further than last year's Israel/Hezbollah "war" .. Israel, militarily, stomped the crap out of Hezbollah's rag-tag army (if you could call it that) .. destroyed millions of $$ worth of real estate in Beruit, yadda yadda, while Hez was able to launch a few hundred crummy rockets into Israel killing but a handful. 

When the military conflict was "over" .. who declared victory?  Hezbollah.  They'd certainly lost many aspects of the battle and are in a much worse position now, yet they "won".  And only in the respect that Israel couldn't kill every last one of them, they did win.

And that's how Iraq will go.  We can't kill all of them (let alone know who to kill) and will certainly leave at some point in time.  Inevitably, the bad guys will say they won, and to a certain extent, they'll be right too.

Winning or losing in Iraq is a silly debate at this point.    There are enough insurgents and suicide bombers to last decades at the pace we eliminate (and create) them.

[Murffieus]

McCheese-----If Al Quida is in/on the "national showcase" and LOSES they are set back---they don't get one iota of benefit----in fact they are discredited in the muslim world----but they didn't enter Iraq with the idea of losing----they entered Iraq to WIN-----and their method was to promote sectarian violence in which they have succeded.

They know with the civilian deaths counted and headlined in the American media day after day, week after weeK, that the American public will get sick of the war and the Dems will listen to the ill informed public and force us out thereby accepting defeat from the same organization that was responsible for the modern day Pearl Harbor on 9/11/01.

John McCain had a very interesting comment on this on "Meet the Press" this morning----I will talk about it on a new thread later today!

[Mayor McCheese]

McCheese-----If Al Quida is in/on the "national showcase" and LOSES they are set back---they don't get one iota of benefit----in fact they are discredited in the muslim world----but they didn't enter Iraq with the idea of losing----they entered Iraq to WIN-----and their method was to promote sectarian violence in which they have succeded.

They know with the civilian deaths counted and headlined in the American media day after day, week after weeK, that the American public will get sick of the war and the Dems will listen to the ill informed public and force us out thereby accepting defeat from the same organization that was responsible for the modern day Pearl Harbor on 9/11/01.

John McCain had a very interesting comment on this on "Meet the Press" this morning----I will talk about it on a new thread later today!

Al Quida is already discredited in the Muslim world.  More people are of the Islamic religion than any other religion, and their religion practices peace, not violence like Al Quida showcases.  Al Quida is to the religion of Islam and their people like some of the radical Southern Baptists are to Christianity, no one of that religion supports them except their in-group, which is small.  However, since America, THE AMERICA, is taking so much interest in Al Quida, and they are on the national scale night after night, no matter what the outcome is in our eyes, in their eyes, they have won, and the amount of terrorists will grow expenentially compared to the amount we kill.  Didn't work in Vietnam, won't work here, lets cut our losses and leave, and set up homeland security with the money that we will spend on the war in these next couple years with President (Not My President) Bush in office.

Also, as a History major and a history buff... to call 9/11 the present day Pearl Harbor is like calling Abortion in America the new holocaust as the protestors on my campus are so quick to call it.  At Pearl Harbor, those were soldiers, not civilians, 9/11 was 100x worse, as civilians were killed, not servicemen, the exact same thing we are doing over there in Iraq, killing civilians who had NOTHING to do with 9/11.

...that abortion is the new holocaust is a whole new batch of cookies that I am not willing to open up to the forum 

[ChicosBailBonds]

you guys act on here as if Al Quida hasn't already won... with us invading Iraq, they have won.  They wanted to be put on the national showcase, and we did just that for them.  Due to this war, Al Quida's recruitment numbers has skyrocketed, even more hate us, and seeing as though we will never win this fight on terrorism (how can you fight a war against an idea, that failed when we fought the idea of communism in Vietnam), and dont say us winning the Cold War was a result of our fight against communism, no bloodshed was lost over that, just words were spoken.  Al Quida has already won, no matter the outcome of this lost war we are fighting.

I'm pretty sure they got on the national showcase when they flew several planes into the WTC, the Pentagon, etc and killed 3000 Americans.  But hey, that's just me.

You sound like Harry Reid, congratulations.

[Mayor McCheese]

you guys act on here as if Al Quida hasn't already won... with us invading Iraq, they have won.  They wanted to be put on the national showcase, and we did just that for them.  Due to this war, Al Quida's recruitment numbers has skyrocketed, even more hate us, and seeing as though we will never win this fight on terrorism (how can you fight a war against an idea, that failed when we fought the idea of communism in Vietnam), and dont say us winning the Cold War was a result of our fight against communism, no bloodshed was lost over that, just words were spoken.  Al Quida has already won, no matter the outcome of this lost war we are fighting.

I'm pretty sure they got on the national showcase when they flew several planes into the WTC, the Pentagon, etc and killed 3000 Americans.  But hey, that's just me.

You sound like Harry Reid, congratulations.

way to take out a minor part of my argument and attack it, where is your answer to this constant international attention bringing in new recruits for terrorism, or the money it is costing to fight an idea, something that is impossible to crush.  What about my points of Al Quida actually NOT being liked by the muslim world.  Or our way of dealing with the problem is killing Iraqi civilians, the same thing they did to us that got us so upset in the first place.  Congratulations, way to pin-point a small argument in my large-scale answer, you are a typical conservative, way to go Bill O'Reilly.

[augoman]

'Mayor', you don't intend to say that we are in Iraq INTENTIONALLY killing unarmed men, women and children whom are peacefully going about their daily business, do you?  If not, then, you misspoke...,

[Mayor McCheese]

'Mayor', you don't intend to say that we are in Iraq INTENTIONALLY killing unarmed men, women and children whom are peacefully going about their daily business, do you?  If not, then, you misspoke...,

I didnt mean we are "intentionally" killing terrorists, however when you are just killing men for the sake of them might being terrorists, essentially its the same.

[ChicosBailBonds]

you guys act on here as if Al Quida hasn't already won... with us invading Iraq, they have won.  They wanted to be put on the national showcase, and we did just that for them.  Due to this war, Al Quida's recruitment numbers has skyrocketed, even more hate us, and seeing as though we will never win this fight on terrorism (how can you fight a war against an idea, that failed when we fought the idea of communism in Vietnam), and dont say us winning the Cold War was a result of our fight against communism, no bloodshed was lost over that, just words were spoken.  Al Quida has already won, no matter the outcome of this lost war we are fighting.

I'm pretty sure they got on the national showcase when they flew several planes into the WTC, the Pentagon, etc and killed 3000 Americans.  But hey, that's just me.

You sound like Harry Reid, congratulations.

way to take out a minor part of my argument and attack it, where is your answer to this constant international attention bringing in new recruits for terrorism, or the money it is costing to fight an idea, something that is impossible to crush.  What about my points of Al Quida actually NOT being liked by the muslim world.  Or our way of dealing with the problem is killing Iraqi civilians, the same thing they did to us that got us so upset in the first place.  Congratulations, way to pin-point a small argument in my large-scale answer, you are a typical conservative, way to go Bill O'Reilly.

Mayor, it's a tough problem, no one is saying it isn't.

Here's the deal the way I see it, terrorism against the US and it's interests was WAY WAY UP in the 1990's.  The first WTC attack that "only" killed a few people but they wanted to bring the WTC down in 1993.  The attacks on the USS Cole, the Khobar Towers, two US embassies, the Bali killings, the constant attacks on our allies like Israel.  For almost that entire decade we treated it like a "criminal matter".  We sat back, took it in the shorts and guess what, the attacks kept coming. 

Then of course there was 9/11.  That's when it all changed.

Is the current approach better?  I don't know, but at least we are proactively trying something.  Are you going to argue the previous approach which led to 9/11, the first WTC, attacks against US interests abroad was effective?

We finally got serious and we took the fight to them.  It may not be the right answer, but the answer under Bush's father and President Clinton wasn't getting the job done either...was it?

[ChicosBailBonds]

Wow, there's that crack NY Times again.   It's amazing they have any readers left, though the way they are heading with the subscriber numbers and stock price, it won't be long now.


http://newsbusters.org/node/12749

[Mayor McCheese]

you keep showing this newsbusters like its a qualified source... all it is are pissed off conservatives that don't like how the newspapers don't write what they want to hear.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Actually it's a site that uses the actual words of liberal outlets to call into question who they are.  At the end of the day, it's the NY TIMES article that says the very words that they aren't sure if there is a religious connection, not Newsbusters.  The NY Times hangs themselves, Newsbusters just does the heavy lifting in showing you how.

[Mayor McCheese]

Actually it's a site that uses the actual words of liberal outlets to call into question who they are.  At the end of the day, it's the NY TIMES article that says the very words that they aren't sure if there is a religious connection, not Newsbusters.  The NY Times hangs themselves, Newsbusters just does the heavy lifting in showing you how.

The Daily Show and Colbert Report takes straight video quotes out of things Republicans state, are they a qualified news source, not really, are they hilarious, you know it