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Democrat Debate !
« on: April 27, 2007, 04:39:29 PM »
Saw most of the Dem presidential candidate debate last night----was mostly a Bush bashing affair. However both Edwards and Obama present themselves very well----both very eloquent and have a very good stage presence.

IMO, Hillary on the other hand doesn't fit the image of a presidential candidate----not very eloquent nor does she have the stage presence of the other two. I will be very surprised (but happy) if the Dems nominate her----all she is is a name.

Edwards and Obama can sell ideas----Hillary talks but is not very convincingly unless you already agree. Of the two (Edwards/Obama), I thought Obama has the most depth!
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« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2007, 11:37:24 PM »
I like Obama - he inspires and America needs some inspiration.
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« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2007, 08:36:37 AM »
I agree----GWB has not done a good job of selling his foreign policy----not elequent enough-----I think Obama can lead, but if elected i hope he is pragmatic enough to recognize what radical islam is all about !

Two other leaders could sell necessary war efforts with their eloquence----FDR in world war II and Reagan in the cold war. Rudy can sell as well!

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« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2007, 10:24:33 AM »
Rudy is a trainwreck.  Obama will deal with radical islam, but with different tactics.  We need to also worry about radical christians.  Religion out of control in any form is not good for democracy.

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« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2007, 10:41:05 AM »
Obama would deal with radical islam effectively if he approaches it from a military standpoint-----but if he goes back to the pre 9/11 menatlity of treating it as a law enforcement problem----we're in trouble!

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« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2007, 06:08:07 PM »
I agree----GWB has not done a good job of selling his foreign policy----not elequent enough-----I think Obama can lead, but if elected i hope he is pragmatic enough to recognize what radical islam is all about !

Two other leaders could sell necessary war efforts with their eloquence----FDR in world war II and Reagan in the cold war. Rudy can sell as well!

you talk like our government now knows what radical islam is about.... no one in congress knows enough of radical islam, honestly.  On both sides, Dems and GOP alike... it is kind of sad...

However I agree, Obama is the best candidate for the Democrats, if not for both sides.  Just too bad there are still people in this country that would vote based on skin color, not his credentials.
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« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2007, 08:31:36 PM »
Well I'll tell you this Mayor--------The GWB administration understands Radical Islam and what their objectives are a whole lot better than the Dems in Congress!

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« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2007, 12:42:59 PM »
Well I'll tell you this Mayor--------The GWB administration understands Radical Islam and what their objectives are a whole lot better than the Dems in Congress!


...., as do most of us!

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« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2007, 12:54:03 PM »
Feel free to explain it -- all of it -- to us when you get the chance.
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« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2007, 03:03:22 PM »
Nathan ----watch the Fox news channel form 5:00 to 6:00 every night----you'll learn as much as you need to know!

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« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2007, 03:32:38 PM »
Nathan ----watch the Fox news channel form 5:00 to 6:00 every night----you'll learn as much as you need to know!

nah youll just learn what conservatives think it is if you watch Fox News... sorry I just can't stand the constant attacking Fox Newsdoes to anyone not conservative... yes, I know the Clinton News Network (CNN) does that as well towards republicans, just got to pick which you think is more accurate... I'll choose CNN over O'Reilly and Hannity...

and no, this country has no clue about the islamic religion, it is actually quite a peaceful religion, like what most religions are.. and what people forget are every religion has the radicals even *gasp* Christianity....  remember more people have died in the name of Christianity than any other reason.
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« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2007, 07:27:53 PM »
Ha! Still cracks me up that conservatives haven't realized the bias of Fox News. It is fine that it does -- there is a market for everything -- but you've got to know that going in so you know what filters to put up.

Anyway, I was being sarcastic. I don't know how the Democrats got to be so hated by the right wingers, but they can't say the sky is blue without being absolutely belittled by everyone on the (far) right. I guess political discourse is pretty much dead.

I'd be willing to read an actual, knowledgable insight into Radical Islam by anyone on this board if you care to write it. I'm curious how much you actually know...and I know I don't know much.
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« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2007, 07:42:38 PM »
Well to be fully informed and to constantly check my positions I watch the other point of view consistently    NBC and the BBC in particular----I'm not afraid of the other point of view!

You just don't get any info on NBC about Radical Islam or the war-----other than "75 Iraqi's were killed today by suicide bombers-----also there were 27 bodies discovered in Bagdad many of which appear to have been tortured. Four MORE US soldiers were killed in the last 24 hours bringing to 104 for this month which is the most for any month since December of 2005".

Stuff like that night after night after night----but no info on the positive things like recently 14-o0f the 16  warlords in anbar province (Fulluja & Ramadi) have taken up arms against Al Quida or the level of sectarian killings in Bagdad is down by 40% in April or the rebuilding that's going on----or that 15 out of the 18 Iraqi provinces are virtually problem free----just negative news night after night-----and they have you thinking the way you do----I'd probably think the same way if I didn't have other sources for information!

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« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2007, 03:34:24 PM »


Anyway, I was being sarcastic. I don't know how the Democrats got to be so hated by the right wingers, but they can't say the sky is blue without being absolutely belittled by everyone on the (far) right. I guess political discourse is pretty much dead.


This is a 2 way street.  Dems have their fair share of belittlers.  Granted, they may not be as aggressive as the GOP's supporters but they're there none the less.

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« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2007, 08:28:37 PM »
If the Dems are belittled---it's not because they say the "sky is blue"----it's because they don't understand the threat of Radical Islam----they think it's a game of "capture the flag"!

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« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2007, 11:55:58 PM »
If the Dems are belittled---it's not because they say the "sky is blue"----it's because they don't understand the threat of Radical Islam----they think it's a game of "capture the flag"!

thats where you are wrong... we know the threat of radical islam.. we just are smart enough to realize that going over there with no plan just guns a blazing is not the way to stop any terrorist attack.
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« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2007, 07:34:59 AM »
Well you can't say that the initial invasion was a "bad or no plan"---that was well planned and went off without a hitch. Post invasion there were mistakes made------chief among them was not enough troops to seal the borders and keep the peace (prevent looting etc).

But now were finally rectifying that problem requesting more troops to implement a completely NEW staratagy of "take possession and hold" instead of
taking possession and relocating-------and the Dems want no part of it.

The Dems want a complete pullout which is nothing more than complete surrender, leaving oil rich Iraq to AlQuida to harbor and train terrorists-----and with the mystique that would give them for recruiting-----having defeated the USA, AlQuida wouldn't have to recruit-----thet would be selecting!

If that's being "tough on terrorism", I'm Mayor of Milwaukee!

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« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2007, 03:20:14 PM »
Well you can't say that the initial invasion was a "bad or no plan"---that was well planned and went off without a hitch. Post invasion there were mistakes made------chief among them was not enough troops to seal the borders and keep the peace (prevent looting etc).

But now were finally rectifying that problem requesting more troops to implement a completely NEW staratagy of "take possession and hold" instead of
taking possession and relocating-------and the Dems want no part of it.

The Dems want a complete pullout which is nothing more than complete surrender, leaving oil rich Iraq to AlQuida to harbor and train terrorists-----and with the mystique that would give them for recruiting-----having defeated the USA, AlQuida wouldn't have to recruit-----thet would be selecting!

If that's being "tough on terrorism", I'm Mayor of Milwaukee!

you must ride an elephant to work, holy crap, do you buy everything you read or hear from George W Bush.  More troops won't fix the problem, and no, I don't believe our plan at the start of the war went without a hitch, nor do I think it was properly planned.  We still haven't found Bin Laden, and seems like Bush ignores that fact.  We didn't find WMD's like we said was the reason for invading Iraq (yes we may have found tubes and other materials, but honestly, we could find that in every country).

By the way, I hope you name your elephant Stampy, Simpsons did it.
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« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2007, 04:55:21 PM »
Rudy is a trainwreck.  Obama will deal with radical islam, but with different tactics.  We need to also worry about radical christians.  Religion out of control in any form is not good for democracy.



What are those "different tactics going to be" I wonder.  Afterall, different tactics were tried in the 1960's, 1970's, 1980's, 1990's....and none worked.


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« Reply #19 on: May 04, 2007, 08:16:54 AM »
Mayor----more troops will help----certainly won't hurt.

The first phase of the war did go without a hitch-----capturing Bagdad and removing Saddam in a few days? How can you improve on that?

Bin Laden is hiding in Pakistan----Bush isn't "ignoring" him as you put it---we can't go in there so for the time being he's probably untouchable.

Hillary, Edwards, Kerry, Biden all voted for the war after seeing the same intelligence GWB and Tony Blair saw----Iraq had been the center of US foriegn policy for the previous 10 years (yes, even under Bill Clinton, do you recall the 4 day bombing of Bagdad in 1998?)----now when the going gets tough those Dem hypocrites are washing their hands of something they helped create-----go figure!

Even Rockfeller who was the Senate minority leader of the intelligence committee at the time voted for the war-----does he ride an elephant to work as well??????!

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« Reply #20 on: May 04, 2007, 12:03:58 PM »
Mayor----more troops will help----certainly won't hurt.

The first phase of the war did go without a hitch-----capturing Bagdad and removing Saddam in a few days? How can you improve on that?

Bin Laden is hiding in Pakistan----Bush isn't "ignoring" him as you put it---we can't go in there so for the time being he's probably untouchable.

Hillary, Edwards, Kerry, Biden all voted for the war after seeing the same intelligence GWB and Tony Blair saw----Iraq had been the center of US foriegn policy for the previous 10 years (yes, even under Bill Clinton, do you recall the 4 day bombing of Bagdad in 1998?)----now when the going gets tough those Dem hypocrites are washing their hands of something they helped create-----go figure!

Even Rockfeller who was the Senate minority leader of the intelligence committee at the time voted for the war-----does he ride an elephant to work as well??????!

wouldn't call it washing our hands, more or less seeing that nothing is working, and the most logical way to end the war is to back out, is there anything with wrong about recognizing a mistake and fixing it, not just pounding the same ideas and the same tactics... like beating a dead horse in my eyes.  Bush's stubborn ways has been his downfall.. yeah he got Saddam, which is good, yea he got Bagdad, good, however since his famous "Mission Accomplished" speech in '04, nothing has seem to have been accomplished.



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« Reply #21 on: May 04, 2007, 12:16:06 PM »
Sure wave the white flag and surrender to Al Quida----let them come in and fill the void-----train more terrorists and come back and hit us again!

Are you aware of what's going on in Anbar Province (Falluja & Ramadi)----just a couple of months go this area was run completly by Al Quida was complete chaos there (worse than Bagdad)----the USA has made a political deal with the Sunni inhabitants and they are in the process of eliminating the Al Quida presence there altogether-----General Petraeus reports that attacks in April were down 90% over March.

You don't hear about that much in the National news media because they have anti Bush agenda too!

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« Reply #22 on: May 04, 2007, 12:37:02 PM »
Political deal?   But, this administration is opposed to making deals   (fake shock)     It is amusing to see the conservatives playing that ridiculous "liberal media" card as their hero's approval ratings approach DJ's 3 point shooting percentage.   If the media had done it's job in the lead-up to war, investigating outlandish claims and expressing skepticism about power instead of competing to see who could be the most jingoistic, in their orgiastic rush to war, the country would be better for it today.   Instead, they kept trying to out "fox news" each other and turned a complete blind eye to alternative, ultimately more accurate, assessments.
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« Reply #23 on: May 04, 2007, 04:25:36 PM »
Political deal?   But, this administration is opposed to making deals   (fake shock)     It is amusing to see the conservatives playing that ridiculous "liberal media" card as their hero's approval ratings approach DJ's 3 point shooting percentage.   If the media had done it's job in the lead-up to war, investigating outlandish claims and expressing skepticism about power instead of competing to see who could be the most jingoistic, in their orgiastic rush to war, the country would be better for it today.   Instead, they kept trying to out "fox news" each other and turned a complete blind eye to alternative, ultimately more accurate, assessments.

Tower, I know ZERO conservatives who believe Bush is their hero.  Why?  Because Bush isn't conservative.


Now, you can play Monday Morning QB all you like with the war, but I have one simple question for you. What do you think will happen if we pull out of Iraq?

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« Reply #24 on: May 04, 2007, 05:00:50 PM »
Dude, I cannot tell you how many conservatives I know who believe he is just this side of the second coming.   Of course, they are the same ones who won't vote for Romney because he is Mormon. Chico, love your take on golf.   Find where I have called for an immediate withdrawal.   To paraphrase Colin Powell, we have broken it, we have bought it.   And, unfortunately, there are no good options.   Do you favor an open ended commitment where we have 100K troops on the ground for a decade?    Gosh, there is no way that could possibly have a detrimental effect on our military, our federal debt, or in inspiring yet another generation of muslim youth to hate us.    What is your solution?    If we stay for a generation, bin Laden's goal of bankrupting and isolating us is accomplished.   If we leave immediately, chaos.    Personally, I think we need to start working on a political solution, using elements of the Iraq study group's call for engaging Iraq's neighbors in diplomacy and Biden's proposal to partition it into three  semi-autonomous regions with a weak central government and fair distribution of the oil revenues with a pan-Arab military presence on the ground to attempt to keep a semblance of peace.    Will it work?   I don't know.   Is what we are doing working?   Please.
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« Reply #25 on: May 04, 2007, 08:38:31 PM »
tower -----you paint a worse case----there are already signs the new approach is working----Anwar province (Ramadi & Falluja are relatively safe now as the sunnis have collaborated with us there against Al Quida. Bagdad is still a problem, but sectarian violence is receding-----"move in and hold" is working as the Al quida is being hurt in Ambar Province and therefore their attempt to further sectarian violence in Bagdad is diminishing!


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« Reply #26 on: May 05, 2007, 02:20:29 AM »
Political deal?   But, this administration is opposed to making deals   (fake shock)     It is amusing to see the conservatives playing that ridiculous "liberal media" card as their hero's approval ratings approach DJ's 3 point shooting percentage.   If the media had done it's job in the lead-up to war, investigating outlandish claims and expressing skepticism about power instead of competing to see who could be the most jingoistic, in their orgiastic rush to war, the country would be better for it today.   Instead, they kept trying to out "fox news" each other and turned a complete blind eye to alternative, ultimately more accurate, assessments.

Tower, I know ZERO conservatives who believe Bush is their hero.  Why?  Because Bush isn't conservative.


Now, you can play Monday Morning QB all you like with the war, but I have one simple question for you. What do you think will happen if we pull out of Iraq?

If we pull out of Iraq now, a lot less US troops will be dead, including a friend who I graduated high school with, thats what will happen.
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« Reply #27 on: May 05, 2007, 07:13:09 AM »
Yes, Murf, how silly of me, April being the deadliest month of the year for US troops is a clear sign that the surge is working.   How could I ever have doubted?
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« Reply #28 on: May 05, 2007, 07:51:22 AM »
Tower-----what do you expect when you're on the offensive? Of course casulties are going to rise because you're out and about and actively engaging the enemy,

McCheese------do you know how many traffic deaths there were in the USA last year----about 50,000----and they weren't volunteers-----there have been a little over 3,000
in Iraq, but remember these are volunteers who know the consequences going in and who are willing to sacrifice their lives to protect this country-----and then the Dems want to walk away (surrender to Al Quida) and in effect say, "sorry sucker, but you died in vain"!

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« Reply #29 on: May 05, 2007, 09:25:09 AM »
Yes, Murf, how silly of me, April being the deadliest month of the year for US troops is a clear sign that the surge is working.   How could I ever have doubted?

And year 4 of WWII was the deadliest for the USA also.....your point?

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« Reply #30 on: May 05, 2007, 11:27:19 AM »
Yes, Murf, how silly of me, April being the deadliest month of the year for US troops is a clear sign that the surge is working.   How could I ever have doubted?

And year 4 of WWII was the deadliest for the USA also.....your point?

technically... the Civil War was the deadliest, my guess 1863 was the deadliest in American History... but thats besides the point :)   ... if we leave, we are not surrendering to Al Quida, theres no point for us being there, thats why we need to leave.  What's wrong with being humble?  And like I said before there is a terrorist group in Northern Ireland that is much worse than Al Quida... do we attack them?  no, what about Darfur, and all the problems in Africa, do we try to solve those?  No, the only reason why Bush went to Iraq was for oil and to end what his dad couldn't (I know it was due to the UN, see Bush Sr. actually listened to the UN)
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« Reply #31 on: May 05, 2007, 12:48:13 PM »
McCheese----you need to think  this a lot more than you apparently have.

Isn't Al Quida that arm of Radical Islam which attacked this country on 9/11-----isn't that the same arm of Radical Islam that wants to do us in----that would like to acquire Nukes or other WMD and smuggle it in here and demolish a few cities?
And you say be "humble and leave" and that realy isn't a surrender to Al Quida".

Who do you think instigated and is right now formenting the civil war in Iraq? Who do you think the major beneficiary would be if we pulled out? ------Al Quida's ranks would grow-----money would pour in as Al Quida would be seen as the future and America as a paper tiger! This would spawn more terrorism here and  bring on more and deadlier wars in the future!

Did the terrorist group in Northern Ireland or Darfor attack and kill of our 3,000 citizens and threaten us with destruction? Incidentally with the help of the British troops things have stablized quite a bit in Northern Ireland as they finally got sick of killing one another!

McCheese your idea was tried by Neville Chamberlin in 1936 at Munich-----read the history books to find out what haopened!

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« Reply #32 on: May 05, 2007, 02:48:01 PM »
Yes, Murf, how silly of me, April being the deadliest month of the year for US troops is a clear sign that the surge is working.   How could I ever have doubted?

And year 4 of WWII was the deadliest for the USA also.....your point?

technically... the Civil War was the deadliest, my guess 1863 was the deadliest in American History... but thats besides the point :)   ... if we leave, we are not surrendering to Al Quida, theres no point for us being there, thats why we need to leave.  What's wrong with being humble?  And like I said before there is a terrorist group in Northern Ireland that is much worse than Al Quida... do we attack them?  no, what about Darfur, and all the problems in Africa, do we try to solve those?  No, the only reason why Bush went to Iraq was for oil and to end what his dad couldn't (I know it was due to the UN, see Bush Sr. actually listened to the UN)

Mayor...if we leave what do you think will happen to Iraq. I asked the same question to Tower and still await an answer.

Personally, I think it will come under total control of Iran and MILLIONS will die.  What do you think will happen?

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« Reply #33 on: May 05, 2007, 05:07:03 PM »
Chico, I addressed your question with an honest proposal.  Typical Republican lie, claiming I didn't answer your question.   However, I don't guarantee my proposal would work.   But at least it is a plan with clear goal in mind.    Still waiting for one from this administration.    The one with the 28% approval rating.
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« Reply #34 on: May 05, 2007, 07:32:45 PM »
Tower----3 seperate "semi autonoumous"  regions sounds good, but wouldn't work in Iraq for the simple reason that the sunnis and crapes are interdespersed in Bagdad and south-----and the Kurd and sunnis are interdisperesed north of Bagdad quite a bit. How to you get millions of people to pick up and leave their homes move to new regions and start over -----this would be a logistial nightmare.

The answer in Iraq has to be a political accomodation as we have recently in Northern Ireland where the two sects got tired of killing one another-------but Al Quida is standing in the way by killing crapes and the crapes reataliating by killing sunnis spawning a vicious circle (Al Quida instigating sectarian violence)!

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« Reply #35 on: May 06, 2007, 01:31:18 PM »
Chico, I addressed your question with an honest proposal.  Typical Republican lie, claiming I didn't answer your question.   However, I don't guarantee my proposal would work.   But at least it is a plan with clear goal in mind.    Still waiting for one from this administration.    The one with the 28% approval rating.

Tower, I'm not a Republican.  Hate to break it to you.  And no, I didn't think you answered my question.  You gave me fluff about a "political" solution.  I asked you a very straight forward question, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE PULLED OUT.

You ignored that question...thus, you didn't answer it.  I can't make it any clearer for you.  I'll try again, what would happen if we PULLED OUT as many on the Democrat side and virtually ALL of the hard left liberals (that doesn't mean all Dems) are asking for.  What would happen...that is the question.   
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« Reply #36 on: May 06, 2007, 02:50:59 PM »
Chaos, which we have now.   Training ground for islamic extremists, which we have now.   No oil revenue for the foreseeable future, which we have now.   Growing Irani influence, which we have now.  Ever increasing sectarian violence, wwhn.  A big stinking pile of problems, wwhn.   I don't know that my proposed solution will work.  But it is still more detailed than anything this administration has come up with.   
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

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« Reply #37 on: May 06, 2007, 04:17:44 PM »
The Dems haven't though that far ahead----haven't thoght about the consequences of pulling out----or if they have, they've duped themselves into thinking Iraq all of a sudden will be peaceful and serene as thethinking goes-----we are the instgators of the violence!

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« Reply #38 on: May 06, 2007, 04:28:56 PM »
It won't be the first time the D's and the american people have been duped.   We were told that this would be done in 6 weeks, that we would be greeted as liberators, that oil revenue would pay for it, and that WMD's were north, south, west, and east of Baghdad.    Damn, those dupers.
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« Reply #39 on: May 06, 2007, 06:01:00 PM »
Chaos, which we have now.   Training ground for islamic extremists, which we have now.   No oil revenue for the foreseeable future, which we have now.   Growing Irani influence, which we have now.  Ever increasing sectarian violence, wwhn.  A big stinking pile of problems, wwhn.   I don't know that my proposed solution will work.  But it is still more detailed than anything this administration has come up with.   

Very good, at least you answered this time.  Now, you seem to caveat everything so I'll ask you to take it one step further.

If we pulled out now would the chaos be WORSE then now or better?  Would the Iranian influence be STRONGER than now or less without the US there?

Thank you in advance for your responses.

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« Reply #40 on: May 06, 2007, 07:47:54 PM »
Tower the Dems weren't "duped" into the war----they saw the same intel that GWB saw that Tony Blair saw------Sen Rockefeller (Dem, Ark.) was the minority leader of the Senate Intelligence committee----the Dems listened to him----and he was 100% behind the invasion and cited WMD as the reason-----so quit saying Bush lied-----Rockefeller saw everything Bush did!

But hat doesn't really answer the question we've been asking-----and that is about Iraq if we are forced to wave the white flag of surrender by being forced out by the Dems-----what happens then? Does Al Quida get stronger or weaker? Will Al Quida attract more of a following or less? Will Al Quida attract more money or less? Will this victory encourage and enbolden them to attempt bigger and more nefarious attacks-----or will they simply pack their bags and say mission accomplished and go home?????

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« Reply #41 on: May 06, 2007, 08:11:06 PM »
It won't be the first time the D's and the american people have been duped.   We were told that this would be done in 6 weeks, that we would be greeted as liberators, that oil revenue would pay for it, and that WMD's were north, south, west, and east of Baghdad.    Damn, those dupers.

You seem to cherry pick a lot of comments, something libs always blame this administration does.


Can you please tell me where George Bush ever said this would take 6 weeks or that it would be easy or that it would last a short while.

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« Reply #43 on: May 07, 2007, 03:48:05 PM »
http://politicalhumor.about.com/cs/quotethis/a/rumsfeldquotes.htm
  Try some of these.

Yes, those are nice Rumsfeld quotes.  Again, and this has now become a pattern...I ask a question and you answer a different question.

Let's try again, can you tell me where President Bush said this would last 6 weeks or it would be over quickly. 

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