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Re: Burton Apparently Cleared by WIAA
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2011, 03:23:10 PM »
Good news.  Question... many bloggers are interested in learning how the MU recruits are playing this season.  Is there any site that we can check weekly to see how our recruits are playing?

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Re: Burton Apparently Cleared by WIAA
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2011, 03:37:41 PM »
They're all doin' just fine 'cept for Durley whose fastball is still south of 90 mph.
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« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2011, 03:38:38 PM »
They're all doin' just fine 'cept for Durley whose fastball is still south of 90 mph.

+1......yeah.....

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Re: Burton Apparently Cleared by WIAA
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2011, 04:25:42 PM »
http://marquette.scout.com/3/2011-12RecruitStats.html

Just read on that page that Jamal Ferguson has a 6'10" wingspan and only stands 6'4".  That's some length.

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« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2011, 05:55:29 PM »
Those are some fine looking recruits.

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Re: Burton Apparently Cleared by WIAA
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2011, 05:58:41 PM »
http://marquette.scout.com/3/2011-12RecruitStats.html

Thanks for the link Mark.  Seeing Steve Taylor's numbers against that quality Chicago area competition.... makes me    ;D

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Re: Burton Apparently Cleared by WIAA
« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2011, 08:15:33 PM »
Vincent plays Pius on 12/28/11 at New Berlin West at 4:30. Not far from me, I think I'll check on Burton!

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Re: Burton Apparently Cleared by WIAA
« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2011, 08:17:50 PM »
Great link, thanks. What's the deal with Durley, I'm sure he's a good kid and all, but do you see him coming to Marquette? The only games he's posting any numbers are 50 point blowouts. Yikes.

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Re: Burton Apparently Cleared by WIAA
« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2011, 08:38:06 PM »
He's a project, but he is a 6'11, 270 project.   He is also playing behind a center who is, IIRC, a top 10 recruit.    One would think the coach could find him some more minutes, but maybe he has a star system. 
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Re: Burton Apparently Cleared by WIAA
« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2011, 08:45:49 PM »
tower's right, Durley is playing behind Cameron Ridley, one of the top prospects in the country for 2012. Ridley's a pretty solid bet to be a McDonald's All-American. MaxPreps has Fort Bend Bush HS at 13-2 and #26 in the nation, and Ridley is the main reason for that. My guess is he doesn't spend much time on the bench.

We know Durley's a project guy, I imagine his coach would rather put the near-NBA ready guy out there than the guy who probably needs 2-3 years before he really starts hitting his potential. I wouldn't worry about Aaron, and my guess is that he'll be a 4-year big, which will be invaluable as guys like Otule and Gardner matriculate.
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Re: Burton Apparently Cleared by WIAA
« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2011, 08:54:12 PM »
Can't believe Buzz would have signed a big man that doesn't play much.  Just glad that no other MU coach would have done such a thing!   ;)

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Re: Burton Apparently Cleared by WIAA
« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2011, 08:58:22 PM »
tower's right, Durley is playing behind Cameron Ridley, one of the top prospects in the country for 2012. Ridley's a pretty solid bet to be a McDonald's All-American. MaxPreps has Fort Bend Bush HS at 13-2 and #26 in the nation, and Ridley is the main reason for that. My guess is he doesn't spend much time on the bench.

We know Durley's a project guy, I imagine his coach would rather put the near-NBA ready guy out there than the guy who probably needs 2-3 years before he really starts hitting his potential. I wouldn't worry about Aaron, and my guess is that he'll be a 4-year big, which will be invaluable as guys like Otule and Gardner matriculate.


Whatever!!!!  You mean to tell me someone that size and build can't find the court.

He has DNP-CD's on there, that is very alarming.

Project is an understatement, has anyone seen what previous MU big projects are doing.  McMorrow and Mbao can't even get off the bench for mid-major D1 schools.

Sure you can argue Chis has panned out, but not really!!!  He's an average big in the Big East at best.  I root for him and hope he comes back, but COME ON THIS IS PATHETIC, there has to more to this story.

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« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2011, 09:03:54 PM »
Can't believe Buzz would have signed a big man that doesn't play much.  Just glad that no other MU coach would have done such a thing!   ;)

Dwight Burke has a nice international career going.

IMO, Dudley won't be suited up for MU next season.

What's the word on Cameron Ridley's recruitment opening back up?

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Re: Burton Apparently Cleared by WIAA
« Reply #15 on: December 27, 2011, 09:05:40 PM »
tower's right, Durley is playing behind Cameron Ridley, one of the top prospects in the country for 2012. Ridley's a pretty solid bet to be a McDonald's All-American. MaxPreps has Fort Bend Bush HS at 13-2 and #26 in the nation, and Ridley is the main reason for that. My guess is he doesn't spend much time on the bench.

We know Durley's a project guy, I imagine his coach would rather put the near-NBA ready guy out there than the guy who probably needs 2-3 years before he really starts hitting his potential. I wouldn't worry about Aaron, and my guess is that he'll be a 4-year big, which will be invaluable as guys like Otule and Gardner matriculate.
I think in high school, if Durley was any good he would be starting next to Ridley. That would be too much size for other high school teams to handle.

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« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2011, 09:08:00 PM »
I think in high school, if Durley was any good he would be starting next to Ridley. That would be too much size for other high school teams to handle.

For sure!!!  You said it much nicer then I did.

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« Reply #17 on: December 27, 2011, 09:08:58 PM »
Dwight Burke has a nice international career going.

IMO, Dudley won't be suited up for MU next season.

What's the word on Cameron Ridley's recruitment opening back up?

Yeah, he wants to come to MU to back up Durley!!

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« Reply #18 on: December 27, 2011, 09:09:39 PM »

Whatever!!!!  You mean to tell me someone that size and build can't find the court.

He has DNP-CD's on there, that is very alarming.

Project is an understatement, has anyone seen what previous MU big projects are doing.  McMorrow and Mbao can't even get off the bench for mid-major D1 schools.

Sure you can argue Chis has panned out, but not really!!!  He's an average big in the Big East at best.  I root for him and hope he comes back, but COME ON THIS IS PATHETIC, there has to more to this story.

EMBARRASSING!!!  6'10 275lbs, and averages about 3 points and 2 rebounds.  WOW!!


Step back from the ledge.  

Talking about embarrassing, did you read your post before you hit "post"?

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« Reply #19 on: December 27, 2011, 09:13:21 PM »
Step back from the ledge.  

Talking about embarrassing, did you read your post before you hit "post"?

What ledge??  You can be excited about him, and all the other below average MU big men... 

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« Reply #20 on: December 27, 2011, 09:16:28 PM »
There is a way to voice your opinion about a high school kid, whom you have never seen play, without making an a$$ out of yourself.
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« Reply #21 on: December 27, 2011, 09:19:21 PM »
For sure!!!  You said it much nicer then I did.


Depends on the coach, the system and the other players on the team.

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« Reply #22 on: December 27, 2011, 09:23:52 PM »
Maybe more of a 4, but Steve Taylor is 6'8.5" and putting up nice numbers.  Really looking forward to him getting to campus.  Have a feeling if Buzz can land a strong point guard or better big Durley might not get to campus though that may be a big "if"...but with Durley, shouldn't he have transferred to a high school where he could at least play this year, and wouldn't Buzz also want him to be somewhere where he's playing?

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« Reply #23 on: December 27, 2011, 09:24:27 PM »

Whatever!!!!  You mean to tell me someone that size and build can't find the court.

He has DNP-CD's on there, that is very alarming.

Project is an understatement, has anyone seen what previous MU big projects are doing.  McMorrow and Mbao can't even get off the bench for mid-major D1 schools.

Sure you can argue Chis has panned out, but not really!!!  He's an average big in the Big East at best.  I root for him and hope he comes back, but COME ON THIS IS PATHETIC, there has to more to this story.

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« Reply #24 on: December 27, 2011, 09:24:36 PM »

Depends on the coach, the system and the other players on the team.

Good coaches adapt to the talent on their team.  That should tell you something right there.

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« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2011, 09:27:29 PM »
Maybe more of a 4, but Steve Taylor is 6'8.5" and putting up nice numbers.  Really looking forward to him getting to campus.  Have a feeling if Buzz can land a strong point guard or better big Durley might not get to campus though that may be a big "if"...but with Durley, shouldn't he have transferred to a high school where he could at least play this year, and wouldn't Buzz also want him to be somewhere where he's playing?

Why?  So he can dominate the competition based solely on his size?  What better way to improve than to play against the 2nd best big man in the nation every single day at practice?  Durley will improve much more throughout this season than some 7' kid who plays and practices against 6'4" guys every day.
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Re: Burton Apparently Cleared by WIAA
« Reply #26 on: December 27, 2011, 09:35:59 PM »
In other news, Burton played tonight and scored 6 points for Vincent in a 61-43 win over Muskego.

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« Reply #27 on: December 27, 2011, 10:47:39 PM »
Durley plays for the same coach that Otule had in high school and he has said Durley is ahead of where Chris was at the same age FWIW
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« Reply #28 on: December 27, 2011, 11:17:32 PM »
Lots of dissent for our future big man from Texas.  Let's all take a minute and breathe.

We all know he's not a first year starter.  We also know Buzz can develop players.  This kid also will mature a ton this season.  We also know that he comes from a solid, proven coach.  We also know he comes from a solid family.  We also know that he has a monster fastball  ;). Seriously, let's wait till he's a sophomore till we start criticizing him.

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« Reply #29 on: December 27, 2011, 11:18:36 PM »
Sure you can argue Chis has panned out, but not really!!!  He's an average big in the Big East at best.  I root for him and hope he comes back, but COME ON THIS IS PATHETIC, there has to more to this
Whoa, that's the paragraph where you messed up. How can you say a 2-star recruit becoming even an average big east center is "not really" panning out.  Then when you consider what we need at center is defense, and chris is clearly way above Sherard defensively as one of the 2 best shotblockers in the conference last year. Most 2-stars don't even start at the mid-major level, so chris is a huge success.
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« Reply #30 on: December 28, 2011, 07:35:46 AM »
Good coaches adapt to the talent on their team.  That should tell you something right there.

So do you know who else is on the team?  I think it is interesting that this group makes a bunch of assumptions when they know nothing about the coach, the team or the player.  I doubt most of you could find Fort Bend, Texas on a map...
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« Reply #31 on: December 28, 2011, 08:01:48 AM »
So do you know who else is on the team?  I think it is interesting that this group makes a bunch of assumptions when they know nothing about the coach, the team or the player.  I doubt most of you could find Fort Bend, Texas on a map...

I don't care who else is on the team.  He signed with MU not Whitewater!  Find me another player who has currently signed with a big east team that barely gets off the bench.

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« Reply #32 on: December 28, 2011, 08:09:22 AM »
I don't care who else is on the team.  He signed with MU not Whitewater!  Find me another player who has currently signed with a big east team that barely gets off the bench.

Dude, you're ridiculous.

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« Reply #33 on: December 28, 2011, 08:11:46 AM »
I don't care who else is on the team.  


And that is why I, and I number of other Scoopers, think your opinion is "ridiculous."  If Durley becomes Otule Part II, then I would view him as wildly successful.  I'm not expecting Shaq or Wilt or anything.

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« Reply #34 on: December 28, 2011, 08:23:12 AM »

And that is why I, and I number of other Scoopers, think your opinion is "ridiculous."  If Durley becomes Otule Part II, then I would view him as wildly successful.  I'm not expecting Shaq or Wilt or anything.

Right, and it isn't as if big men are just falling our of trees.  Development is key.

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« Reply #35 on: December 28, 2011, 09:50:10 AM »
Thanks for the link Mike.  It will be fun to follow throughout the season.

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« Reply #36 on: December 28, 2011, 09:57:05 AM »
Why?  So he can dominate the competition based solely on his size?  What better way to improve than to play against the 2nd best big man in the nation every single day at practice?  Durley will improve much more throughout this season than some 7' kid who plays and practices against 6'4" guys every day.

+1. Working against Ridley in practice has got to be better for his overall development as a player than starting and dominating the paint against smaller/less talented competition.

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« Reply #37 on: December 28, 2011, 10:13:56 AM »
Does anyone really think that Durley and Ridley are really going HAM during their high school basketball practices? Come on, we're talking about high school practice. Not AAU practice, but high school practice.

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« Reply #38 on: December 28, 2011, 10:42:20 AM »
Not exactly the same scenario since MU was not in the BE at that time but this player never started a game in high school and barely got off the bench. He played 4 years in the NBA..............



http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mccasam01.html


I don't care who else is on the team.  He signed with MU not Whitewater!  Find me another player who has currently signed with a big east team that barely gets off the bench.

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« Reply #39 on: December 28, 2011, 10:51:40 AM »
Not exactly the same scenario since MU was not in the BE at that time but this player never started a game in high school and barely got off the bench. He played 4 years in the NBA..............

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mccasam01.html
Yep.  He was the player I was referencing with my earlier comment of "Can't believe Buzz would have signed a big man that doesn't play much.  Just glad that no other MU coach would have done such a thing!"

KO took McCaskill and I could only imagine the posts we would have had if MUScoop were around back then.   ;)

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« Reply #40 on: December 28, 2011, 11:23:34 AM »
Amal never got off the bench in high school.   Ooze never played high school ball.   Otule was "the worst player over 6'2 in Texas".    MU doesn't exactly have a history of 5 star bigs over the last 30 years.   With the system Buzz runs, he does not need one and done bigs.   He needs bigs to play D, get rebounds, and catch dump offs from his dribble-driving guards and wings.   With the occasional post move for fits and giggles.      Bring him in, red-shirt him if he wants, let Todd work with him and let him get a year of competing against DG and CO.   
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« Reply #41 on: December 28, 2011, 11:33:02 AM »
Amal never got off the bench in high school.   Ooze never played high school ball.   Otule was "the worst player over 6'2 in Texas".    MU doesn't exactly have a history of 5 star bigs over the last 30 years.   With the system Buzz runs, he does not need one and done bigs.   He needs bigs to play D, get rebounds, and catch dump offs from his dribble-driving guards and wings.   With the occasional post move for fits and giggles.      Bring him in, red-shirt him if he wants, let Todd work with him and let him get a year of competing against DG and CO.

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Durley is perfectly positioned for us from a class perspective. If we can stay healthy, he could easily redshirt next year. If he has to burn it, he can still be a 4-year player for us. I can't see him getting recruited over, and I'm encouraged by his early aptitude for baseball, as it shows he's probably at least a bit of an athlete for a big man. He won't be heavily relied on until his junior year, and I love the idea of what he could be as he's coming into his third year of development in our system. I'm sure he'd be starting at most high schools around the country, but backing up one of the best big men out there doesn't lend to many minutes, I can accept that.

If it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out, but I see no harm in taking a flier on a guy his size that can fill the paint and was getting interest from K-State, TAMU, Arizona, and South Florida. And even if he's more of a mid-major player, the kind that gets recruited by Chattanooga and Rice (other schools that showed interest) aren't those the kind of guys that by their junior and senior year we see in March and think "how the hell did that school get a guy like that, and why don't we have one?"
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« Reply #42 on: December 28, 2011, 01:11:10 PM »
After reading this thread, I must admit that I am a bit worried about Durley. I am rarely negative about anything MU hoops, but I have a hard time understanding the Durley signing. If the guy cannot even crack his HS rotation, I can't imagine that he is anywhere near being ready to contribute at a major D1 program.

Yes, I understand he is a project. But still...it is at the very least, well, puzzling. I think you guys should get off the posters back who made a negative comment about Durley. It is very understandable why the poster would be worried/frustrated. The situation is very strange. If Durley were actually a pretty good bball player, wouldn't his coach find at least 10 minutes for him to play each game? You would sure think so.
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« Reply #43 on: December 28, 2011, 01:22:31 PM »
After reading this thread, I must admit that I am a bit worried about Durley. I am rarely negative about anything MU hoops, but I have a hard time understanding the Durley signing. If the guy cannot even crack his HS rotation, I can't imagine that he is anywhere near being ready to contribute at a major D1 program.

Yes, I understand he is a project. But still...it is at the very least, well, puzzling. I think you guys should get off the posters back who made a negative comment about Durley. It is very understandable why the poster would be worried/frustrated. The situation is very strange. If Durley were actually a pretty good bball player, wouldn't his coach find at least 10 minutes for him to play each game? You would sure think so.
Problem I have with the complaints are, what is it based on?  I have looked for stats on-line for Durley, for Fort Bend Bush, they are really hard to come by.  Can't get a whole lot of information.  In the link that drew the ire of some and seemed to unhinge one or two, most of the games do not have any information at all.  Two state "DNP, Coaches Decision".  Ok, what does that mean?  As HS stats are not transcribed consistently, does it mean injury, illness, suspension or he just did not play him?  No one, including the one who you defended that attacked Durley (EMBARRASSED?  Really?), has seen him play or can comment on his play or reasons why he is/is not playing.

Recently I looked at the box score in our paper of a local HS.  One of the players scored 8 points - and he did not play due to injury.  I really don't put a lot of faith in the "stats" we read on the link.  Until I hear somone with facts, jumping to conclussions can be dangerous.

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« Reply #44 on: December 28, 2011, 01:31:37 PM »
Bottom line it is really hard to find real bigs.  In Wisconsin, there are none right now to recruit.  Luke Fischer is about it, and seeing him play, he is a little soft.
Illinois got Meyers Leonard, Wisco has Bergeron, but is Anderson a project, obviously.  So it is really hard to find a big, who wants to come to MU.  MU might be
a Top 20 team, but is there a Top 30 recruit saying I want to play at MU.  Not on the top of there lists.  This is why, Buzz has to recruit everyday, they are coming
to MU because of Buzz, Tony Benford, etc.  They build a relationship up with a coach.  AKi is recruiting Virginia, Ferguson and Gardener.   Semieon High in Chi for
Buzz and Benford.  You pick out areas and try and get one.  It would be nic to have more Milwaukee kids and as you can tell Duane Wilson, Kevin Looney and Diamond
Stone are on the radar.  Buzz has to out recruit them.  Look at last year,  the big recruit was Mike Shaw, and he does not even get off the bench for Illinois, it is a
guessing game if they can move up a level.  Rodney Hood did.  At least, Durley has the height and weight.  Just stick him in the lane and I am sure will be fine in 3-4 years.




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Re: Burton Apparently Cleared by WIAA
« Reply #45 on: December 28, 2011, 01:46:35 PM »
After reading this thread, I must admit that I am a bit worried about Durley. I am rarely negative about anything MU hoops, but I have a hard time understanding the Durley signing. If the guy cannot even crack his HS rotation, I can't imagine that he is anywhere near being ready to contribute at a major D1 program.

Yes, I understand he is a project. But still...it is at the very least, well, puzzling. I think you guys should get off the posters back who made a negative comment about Durley. It is very understandable why the poster would be worried/frustrated. The situation is very strange. If Durley were actually a pretty good bball player, wouldn't his coach find at least 10 minutes for him to play each game? You would sure think so.

Because he has the #8 overall and #2 center on the same team. It'd be like MU having Greg Oden when he was a freshman and having Otule on the bench. Does that make Chris a bad basketball player? Of course not. There just isn't room for them both on the court, and 1 is as good as they come, so you obviously want him on the court as much as possible. The coach of his team coached Otule and has said Durley is beyond where Chris was his senior year. I'll take the word of the guy who sees them play every single day. I for 1 would be more than happy with a big who is more advanced than Chris and has the opportunity to play against a great player every day in practice. We're all seeing how important Otule is to this team. You need guys like that. Will he be a 1 and done? Nope. But we don't need that.
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Re: Burton Apparently Cleared by WIAA
« Reply #46 on: December 28, 2011, 02:21:04 PM »
After reading this thread, I must admit that I am a bit worried about Durley. I am rarely negative about anything MU hoops, but I have a hard time understanding the Durley signing. If the guy cannot even crack his HS rotation, I can't imagine that he is anywhere near being ready to contribute at a major D1 program.

Yes, I understand he is a project. But still...it is at the very least, well, puzzling. I think you guys should get off the posters back who made a negative comment about Durley. It is very understandable why the poster would be worried/frustrated. The situation is very strange. If Durley were actually a pretty good bball player, wouldn't his coach find at least 10 minutes for him to play each game? You would sure think so.


You make a reasoned argument.  I have worries myself, as I would with any project big.  Schubert is the one that goes off using words like "embarrassing" without really understanding the big picture.

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Re: Burton Apparently Cleared by WIAA
« Reply #47 on: December 28, 2011, 02:44:09 PM »

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« Reply #48 on: December 28, 2011, 03:08:09 PM »
Anyone remember Swen Nater?  http://www.coachswen.com/Swen%20Nater's%20Bio.htm

I remember him well as a player - didn't know the "back story". Inspirational.

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Re: Burton Apparently Cleared by WIAA
« Reply #49 on: December 28, 2011, 03:18:17 PM »
I obviously hope Durley is great in an MU uniform, and ultimately, Buzz wouldn't have offered him if he didn't see some potential. It is just a little troubling, even if Lebron James was on his team. There are things that cannot be picked up in practice that are in a game. If Durley is not going to play much next year, or even the year after, it will be a long time since he has played in a real game atmosphere.

I would imagine that Buzz wishes he was playing more. MUMAC brought up an interesting point, however. Are the games listed on the recruit stat page that are blank, does that mean he did not play in the game, or that the stats are simply missing? One would think it would be quite easy to find with Ridley on his team.
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« Reply #50 on: December 28, 2011, 03:30:15 PM »
+100

Durley is perfectly positioned for us from a class perspective. If we can stay healthy, he could easily redshirt next year. If he has to burn it, he can still be a 4-year player for us. I can't see him getting recruited over, and I'm encouraged by his early aptitude for baseball, as it shows he's probably at least a bit of an athlete for a big man. He won't be heavily relied on until his junior year, and I love the idea of what he could be as he's coming into his third year of development in our system. I'm sure he'd be starting at most high schools around the country, but backing up one of the best big men out there doesn't lend to many minutes, I can accept that.

If it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out, but I see no harm in taking a flier on a guy his size that can fill the paint and was getting interest from K-State, TAMU, Arizona, and South Florida. And even if he's more of a mid-major player, the kind that gets recruited by Chattanooga and Rice (other schools that showed interest) aren't those the kind of guys that by their junior and senior year we see in March and think "how the hell did that school get a guy like that, and why don't we have one?"


I think that this sums things up pretty well.

I'm excited about Durley, but realize that he's a bit of an unknown commodity.  I am a firm believer in the concept that most of an athlete's improvement will come from practice, not from games.  That's one of the great things about having such a deep roster...our players are playing against far better competition in practice than they were three, five or ten years ago.  With that in mind, I agree with those who say that Durley will benefit far more from working in practice against a premier center every day than he will dominating 6'6" opposing centers.  Are they going hard in practice?  I have no idea.  Would he be going hard if he was the starter and he was practicing against smaller guys?  Don't know.  But I don't think it matters.  I think he's going to be a better player when he arrives on campus because he's spending countless hours playing against a premier center.  Of course it'd be nice if he was getting more minutes, but Buzz thought he was good enough to offer a schollie and his HS coach things he's pretty good.  I think Buzz is batting about .500 on his big men.  I'm optimistic that Durley will move that up to .600...but only time will tell.
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Re: Burton Apparently Cleared by WIAA
« Reply #51 on: December 28, 2011, 03:58:19 PM »
Bottom line, Mboa and Roseboro included, Buzz has a great track record for spotting talent. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise.

Problem is we keep developing 2 stars and making them into 3 stars, we need to recruit a 3 star that turns into a 4 star and makes it to the NBA, or at the very least all conference. Until that time other schools will continue to recruit bigs over MU, likely stating that MU is a great option for guards and wings, but bigs don't go there because they don't touch the ball.

Maybe Gardner becomes that guy.

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Re: Burton Apparently Cleared by WIAA
« Reply #52 on: December 28, 2011, 04:10:38 PM »
Bottom line, Mboa and Roseboro included, Buzz has a great track record for spotting talent. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise.

Problem is we keep developing 2 stars and making them into 3 stars, we need to recruit a 3 star that turns into a 4 star and makes it to the NBA, or at the very least all conference. Until that time other schools will continue to recruit bigs over MU, likely stating that MU is a great option for guards and wings, but bigs don't go there because they don't touch the ball.

Maybe Gardner becomes that guy.

Wasn't JFB a 2 or 3 star out of high school? In addition, he was (only) honorable mention AA as a freshman, meaning at least 50 Jucos were rated higher than him.

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« Reply #53 on: December 28, 2011, 04:34:38 PM »
Wasn't JFB a 2 or 3 star out of high school? In addition, he was (only) honorable mention AA as a freshman, meaning at least 50 Jucos were rated higher than him.

Yup, sorry should have been more specific...a 2 star center. Butler is a prime example of why we continue to get top flight wings from around the country. If Gardner can become very good I think Buzz will have a easier time getting high end bigs.

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Re: Burton Apparently Cleared by WIAA
« Reply #54 on: December 28, 2011, 04:38:49 PM »
Jimmy was more like a 1 star in high school.

Anybody who doesn't think post players get the ball now at MU just isn't watching the games. Both Otule and Gardner get lots of chances in the post and so does Jae when he plays center.

Against a zone you can't just throw it into the post but when teams play us man to man those guys are a significant part of the offense.

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« Reply #55 on: December 28, 2011, 05:25:04 PM »
Jimmy was more like a 1 star in high school.

Anybody who doesn't think post players get the ball now at MU just isn't watching the games. Both Otule and Gardner get lots of chances in the post and so does Jae when he plays center.

Against a zone you can't just throw it into the post but when teams play us man to man those guys are a significant part of the offense.

Agree, just talking about recruiting and why MU doesn't get 4 & 5 star centers. I'm sure coaches are quick to point out MU's lack of post players playing at the next level.

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Re: Burton Apparently Cleared by WIAA
« Reply #56 on: December 28, 2011, 06:20:03 PM »
This season we have 11 players (10 since the Otule injury) dressing for games. 
It appears we will have 14 players dressing for games next season. 

It is extremely difficult to find meaningful minutes for more than 10 players.  I am more than willing to allow Durley the time and opportunity to develop under those circumstances.  With 4 additional players next season, sounds like there is plenty of room for a 6'10" 270 lb project.

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Re: Burton Apparently Cleared by WIAA
« Reply #57 on: December 28, 2011, 07:32:01 PM »
Agree, just talking about recruiting and why MU doesn't get 4 & 5 star centers. I'm sure coaches are quick to point out MU's lack of post players playing at the next level.

Crean was never able to get the big everyone wanted.  Part of it was the style of offense, which perpetuated the claims that MU could not develop a big - right or wrong.  Otule and Gardner, if they continue to develop and the way Buzz runs the offense through the paint, should help to erase that myth.  Then, hopefully MU is on the short list with the higher rated bigs.

Until then, though, I am afraid you are correct.  Coaches use it against MU.  Thus, the need to take lower rated bigs and develop them.

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« Reply #58 on: December 28, 2011, 08:22:10 PM »
Until then, though, I am afraid you are correct.  Coaches use it against MU.  Thus, the need to take lower rated bigs and develop them.
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« Reply #59 on: December 28, 2011, 08:34:15 PM »
As I recall, he had some issues with the coach at Mississippi State and wanted out.  With 1 year left, UM needing a big, it was a good fit to come back home.  Wish MU would have had him longer.  May have helped Crean land a big.

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Re: Burton Apparently Cleared by WIAA
« Reply #60 on: December 28, 2011, 11:19:22 PM »
Why in the hell are we talking Durley, when the subject is BURTON CLEARED BY WIAA?

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Re: Burton Apparently Cleared by WIAA
« Reply #61 on: December 29, 2011, 06:13:53 AM »
Good news for Burton that he can play.  He had 16 points last night in his second game back in a win against Pius and only hit 6-13 free throws. 

As Deonte continues to develop his ballhandling and perimeter shooting, the more well rounded his game will be.  I think he'd be best to play at about 220-225 pounds as that will allow him to be a better defender at the 3-2 in college, yet still give him the strength advantage he has inside.

Haven't seen many players as athletic coming out of Milwaukee over the years, especially combined with his strength.
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