What is the students excuse for this game?

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#11 in the nation.

Lots of press.

Decent opponent.

Upper bowl is scarce to say the least with one minute to tip.

[Jay Bee]

They're busy celebrating I4's victory.

[#MUBB]

Inevitable when its Finals Weekend.

[chapman]

Inevitable when its Finals Weekend.

Was gonna be my guess.

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Inevitable when its Finals Weekend.

GAY!

[Tugg Speedman]

These threads complaining about the student section are very tiresome.  

In case you did not notice, MU has 8,700 undergrads vs, say, 42k for UW.  They get about half the student section to most games, tonight a third.  

When GB plays in Madison on a frigid night before exams, are 15,000 willing to go to the Kohl center to watch a blowout?  Until you can prove the answer is yes, let's stop with this dumb line of reasoning.

My point is MU gets a very high percentage of the student section to the games.  They play in a stadium that is over twice the population of the school.  So, it has to be full of Alumni that sit on their hands.

If you perfer, maybe MU could downsize and play all their games at the AL in front a rabid student fans.  Then we can also join the Horizon league as well.

[pillardean]

GAY!

Well Said

[MUMac]

These threads complaining about the student section are very tiresome.  

In case you did not notice, MU has 8,700 undergrads vs, say, 42k for UW.  They get about half the student section to most games, tonight a third.  

When GB plays in Madison on a frigid night before exams, are 15,000 willing to go to the Kohl center to watch a blowout?  Until you can prove the answer is yes, let's stop with this dumb line of reasoning.

My point is MU gets a very high percentage of the student section to the games.  They play in a stadium that is over twice the population of the school.  So, it has to be full of Alumni that sit on their hands.

If you perfer, maybe MU could downsize and play all their games at the AL in front a rabid student fans.  Then we can also join the Horizon league as well.

Actually, the answer is yes.

[MountainCreekHouse]

I'm staying home studying, for one day I aspire to afford a conservative blue or gold sweater and blend into the cholesterol-clogged abyss of alumni along mid-court...

[esotericmindguy]

Finals Week? Is it not Saturday night? Good lord.

Take a break and go to the effing game, it's not tiresome at all. They are spoiled, I was fortunate enough to attend Marquette during UWGB coach's hayday. Brutal.

[muzzwilliams]

GAY!

+1

[MarquetteNation]

We usually play Wisconsin this weekend. No problem with finals then.

[Tugg Speedman]

Actually, the answer is yes.

Not even close.  Kohl holds 17k and maybe 8k is students.  No way 15k go to see a blowout on a 25 degree saturday night before exams.  But its unfair to compare MU to a giant state school.  Let's compare it to schools it is similar to ... Villanova and Georgetown.

Troll the 'nova boards and they say EXACTLY the same things about their students.  If fact, it is so much worse at 'nova that many games at played at the Pavallion that seat 6,500 versus the 18,000 at the spectrum.  'nova wishes they had a fan base strong enough to play every game at an 18,000 seat areans but they do not.

Similarly Georgetown play in the 20k seat Verizon center.  Last year GU season average attendance was 12,675, just shy of the 2008 record of 12,955, the highest season average attendance in school history.  http://www.hoyabasketball.com/records/attendance.htm

By constrast, MU season average was 15,586 last year and has averaged more than 12,675 eaach of hte last eight season (reaching back the C-USA days).  GU wishes its fan base was as good as MU but it is not.

P.S. MU is the only non-football school to rank in the top-20 every year since 2003

[MUMac]

Not even close.  Kohl holds 17k and maybe 8k is students.  No way 15k go to see a blowout on a 25 degree saturday night before exams.  But its unfair to compare MU to a giant state school.  Let's compare it to schools it is similar to ... Villanova and Georgetown.

Troll the 'nova boards and they say EXACTLY the same things about their students.  If fact, it is so much worse at 'nova that many games at played at the Pavallion that seat 6,500 versus the 18,000 at the spectrum.  'nova wishes they had a fan base strong enough to play every game at an 18,000 seat areans but they do not.

Similarly Georgetown play in the 20k seat Verizon center.  Last year GU season average attendance was 12,675, just shy of the 2008 record of 12,955, the highest season average attendance in school history.  http://www.hoyabasketball.com/records/attendance.htm

By constrast, MU season average was 15,586 last year and has averaged more than 12,675 eaach of hte last eight season (reaching back the C-USA days).  GU wishes its fan base was as good as MU but it is not.

P.S. MU is the only non-football school to rank in the top-20 every year since 2003

First, I will fully disclose.  I live in Madison and have for 15 years.  Secondly, you know nothing of what you are stating about it.  Last, you were the one who brought the comparison, not I.  So since you are speaking out of your hind end, why continue?  

[godzilla]

GAY!

yep, lol

[Tugg Speedman]

First, I will fully disclose.  I live in Madison and have for 15 years.  Secondly, you know nothing of what you are stating about it.  Last, you were the one who brought the comparison, not I.  So since you are speaking out of your hind end, why continue?  

What's your point?  That UW students as a percentage of the enrollment support their basketball program more than MU?  Again MU has 8,700 undergrads and UW has 42,000.  It's a lot easier with that many students to fill an on-campus arena that is 35% of your enrollment versus an off-campus arena that is 230% the size of MU's enrollment.  So adjusting for these realities, how do you say which school has better attendance?  I said UW was the same, not worse.

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Since you felt it necessary to insult me .....

This thread is about the "lack" of student support at MU games so let's stick with that.  I'm not going to get into a pointless argument to justify your life in Madison.  That is is choice you made and will have to live with.  Thankfully I did not make that mistake.

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The hard numbers above say we have better attendance than GU and 'nova.  I don't even have to look it up but I can safely say that we have better attendance that the other private BE schools of DePaul, St. John, Prov, USF and ND (yes ND!).  

I say that AS A PERCENTAGE OF The ENROLLMENT OF THE SCHOOL, our student attendance is on par with large state financed football factories like UW.  We are the only non-football school in the top 20 the last 8 years.

Why can't we accept that we have fantastic attendance numbers on both the student and general population measures.  Especially for a school with only 8,700 undergrads.  

[MUMac]

What's your point?  That UW students as a percentage of the enrollment support their basketball program more than MU?  Again MU has 8,700 undergrads and UW has 42,000.  It's a lot easier with that many students to fill an on-campus arena that is 35% of your enrollment versus an off-campus arena that is 230% the size of MU's enrollment.  So adjusting for these realities, how do you say which school has better attendance.  I said UW was the same, not worse.

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This thread is about the "lack" of student support at MU games so let's stick with that.  I'm not going to get into a pointless argument to justify your life in Madison.  That is is choice you made and will have to live with.  Thankfully I did not make that mistake.

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The hard numbers above say we have better attendance than GU and 'nova.  I don't even have to look it up but I can safely say that we have better attendance that the other private BE schools of DePaul, St. John, Prov, USF and ND (yes ND!).  

I say that AS A PERCENTAGE OF The ENROLLMENT OF THE SCHOOL, our student attendance is on par with large state financed football factories like UW.  We are the only non-football school in the top 20 the last 8 years.

Why can't we accept that we have fantastic attendance numbers on both the student and general population measures.  Especially for a school with only 8,700 undergrads.  

Are you drunk or high?  You made a stupid comment, I called you out and now that is my problem?  Man, give it a rest.  You were the idiot, and I do not say that lightly, that made the comment.  It was dumb and the fact you continue to bring it up demonstrates a great deal about you.

As for the fact you chose to live outside of Madison, I am guessing we will survive the loss.   

[Tugg Speedman]

Are you drunk or high?  You made a stupid comment, I called you out and now that is my problem?  Man, give it a rest.  You were the idiot, and I do not say that lightly, that made the comment.  It was dumb and the fact you continue to bring it up demonstrates a great deal about you.

As for the fact you chose to live outside of Madison, I am guessing we will survive the loss.   

I'm going to regret asking this ... you quoted my entire post which had many comments.  Which one do you think was stupid?  You did not make it clear.

[MUMac]

I'm going to regret asking this ... you quoted my entire post which had many comments.  Which one do you think was stupid?  You did not make it clear.
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The part I bolded.  I guess you either did not see, or do not understand the use of, bolding within the quote.  If so, that explains the comments between us.

[Tugg Speedman]

No, I saw that but you did not say why you thought UW would get more than 33% of its student enrollment is see a crappy team the weekend before finals when its 25 degrees.  So, no insults ... why, or what facts, do you have that says UW basketball support is greater than MU basketball support.

My fact (from above) ....

MU has 8,700 undergrads and UW has 42,000.  It's a lot easier with that many students to fill an on-campus arena that is 35% of your enrollment versus an off-campus arena that is 230% the size of MU's enrollment.  So adjusting for these realities, how do you say which school has better attendance?  I said UW was the same, not worse.

[MUMac]

No, I saw that but you did not say why you thought UW would get more than 33% of its student enrollment is see a crappy team the weekend before finals when its 25 degrees.  So, no insults ... why, or what facts, do you have that says UW basketball support is greater than MU basketball support.

My fact (from above) ....

MU has 8,700 undergrads and UW has 42,000.  It's a lot easier with that many students to fill an on-campus arena that is 35% of your enrollment versus an off-campus arena that is 230% the size of MU's enrollment.  So adjusting for these realities, how do you say which school has better attendance?  I said UW was the same, not worse.

O k, you want to continue.  IT WAS A STUPID COMMENT.  You were the one that made it.  UW does not provide 15,000 seats to their students ... FOR ANY GAME.  That aside, you made a separate paragraph.  This is what you included in it (the full paragraph):  "When GB plays in Madison on a frigid night before exams, are 15,000 willing to go to the Kohl center to watch a blowout?  Until you can prove the answer is yes, let's stop with this dumb line of reasoning."

I answered yes.  In a beautiful night with a game against a #1 team, 15,000 students cannot attend a UW game.  That was an IDIOTIC statement.  Still, UW's student section is always full.  I answered, you continued your argument, then you continued to change the terms.

Have at the last comment.  I won't read it as what I have seen from you thus far tonight is not worth the time or effort.   

[Markusquette]

Message board fights

[Tugg Speedman]

O k, you want to continue.  IT WAS A STUPID COMMENT.  You were the one that made it.  UW does not provide 15,000 seats to their students ... FOR ANY GAME.  That aside, you made a separate paragraph.  This is what you included in it (the full paragraph):  "When GB plays in Madison on a frigid night before exams, are 15,000 willing to go to the Kohl center to watch a blowout?  Until you can prove the answer is yes, let's stop with this dumb line of reasoning."

I answered yes.  In a beautiful night with a game against a #1 team, 15,000 students cannot attend a UW game.  That was an IDIOTIC statement.  Still, UW's student section is always full.  I answered, you continued your argument, then you continued to change the terms.

Have at the last comment.  I won't read it as what I have seen from you thus far tonight is not worth the time or effort.  

What you wrote suggests you completely missed my point and I'm really not interested in explaining this any further.  So, I give in to you ... what I wrote was a stupid comment, you're a genius and you win.  Congratulations.  This sidetrack is now done and I'm humbled by your intellect.

[RyanConroy]

I'm usually the first one to call out my fellow students, but tonight's attendance was not notably bad.

It wasn't great, but finals week + weak opponent does not make for a huge turnout.

I'm more optimistic about my predictions for attendance during Big East play. I think this season will easily be the highest consistent turnout of my three years.

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Also, those that weren't impressed with tonight, turn your eyes next Saturday.

[chapman]

Message board fights

Ya...yeesh, lotta estrogen in this thread