Muslims complain Catholic U. too catholic

[WellsstreetWanderer]

Can something like thsi happen at MU?

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/muslims-want-catholic-school-to-provide-room-without-crosses.html

[tower912]

I smell a lock coming.   

[reinko]

Can something like thsi happen at MU?

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/muslims-want-catholic-school-to-provide-room-without-crosses.html

[Abode4life]

Well i would hope that Marquette would allow students to form a Muslim student group if they wished. 

[MUBurrow]

Just another good example of the "it really had to come to this?" variety.

Its not like the times when Muslims need to pray is a surprise. Just have a schedule with an open space and be done with it.

On the other side of the coin, I understand that praying in the chapel is not the ideal option (although you would think thats as much of a concession from the Catholics as the Muslims) but at the same time, if all Catholic U's classrooms have crucifixes in them, I don't really see why that must preclude those rooms from being acceptable rooms for worship.

[augoman]

if in fact they (muslim students) find the catholic artifacts so 'disturbing'..., I would think they would prefer to go to another university.  Certainly puzzeled by their choice of Catholic University, but, as this is America, they are free to choose another school.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

MU has a cross in every classroom.  a lot with cool/interesting stories on where the cross is from or who gave it to MU.

[augoman]

as they should, Ziggy, as they should.

[foreverwarriors]

I definitely laughed at this comment after the story: 'it's like going to a strip club and not expecting nudity'

[4everwarriors]

MU has a cross in every classroom.  a lot with cool/interesting stories on where the cross is from or who gave it to MU.

Yo bro, only if said building was constructed without the use of public funds.

[Ari Gold]

Well i would hope that Marquette would allow students to form a Muslim student group if they wished.

Are you fracking kidding me?
A quick search of Marquette Student orgs revealed: http://www.marquette.edu/explore/studentorgs1.shtml

Campus Crusade for Christ
Chinese Christian Fellowship
Christian Fellowship of Marquette
InterVarsity Christian Fellowship
Jewish Student Union
Knights of Columbus
Latter Day Saint Student Association
Lutheran Student Union
Muslim Student Association
Schoenstatt University Men
St. Robert Bellarmine Society
WELS Ministry — Marquette University


Motherfracking Prophet fracking Muhammad that wasn't hard to research.  

[Buzzed]

4th floor of the union there is a Muslim prayer room.  Floor mats and everything, don't forget to take off your shoes.

[warriorchick]

Hmmm...If there were a Muslim University in D.C., how do you think Catholic students would be treated?

[MUBurrow]

I don't know - if only we had some unfair, biased preconceptions upon which we could base a hypothetical answer...

[Hards Alumni]

Well played, MUBurrow, well played.

[GGGG]

Jeez people.  They aren't complaining about religious symbols in the classroom.  They aren't complaining about the core curriculum having too many religion classes.  They are complaining about the lack of an appropriate room for them to conduct their religious rituals.  Most of the universities in this country have Muslim prayer rooms - it really isn't that difficult nor is it too much to ask.  As mentioned, MU has one now...and had one when I was a student their 25 years ago.

[augoman]

You're half right, Sultan..., they aren't complaining-they're suing.  A Muslim prayer room?  What's wrong with the participants renting a room of their own to pray in.  Must the Catholic University provide this?  In New York they kneel in the street-I suppose the city should build them a large 'Muslim prayer room'? 
Further, in the article as I read it, they DID complain about the "Catholic artifacts" being disturbing to them, and found them objectionable. 
I see no reason why this group cannot harmoniously exist at the chosen school, except for the 'professor' from Geo Wash that filed the lawsuit ostensibly on their behalf.

[wyzgy]

drip drip drip...as the frog says, sure is gettin warm in here, what's cookin??

[Marqevans]

When does private school mean private school? 

[GGGG]

When does private school mean private school? 

Ooo...Oooo... Let me answer...

Not when their students accept federal financial aid.

[MUMac]

Ooo...Oooo... Let me answer...

Not when their students accept federal financial aid.

Because the student accepts federal financial aid they no longer are Private Schools?  Weak, very weak.  But at least you got the Arnold Horshack bit down.

[reinko]

Because the student accepts federal financial aid they no longer are Private Schools?  Weak, very weak.  But at least you got the Arnold Horshack bit down.

Slow down chief.  Sultan was not talking about the students, talking about the university accepting federal funds.

[GGGG]

Because the student accepts federal financial aid they no longer are Private Schools?  Weak, very weak.  But at least you got the Arnold Horshack bit down.

Well, like it or not, when private schools accept federal financial aid for its students, it opens them up to all sorts of federal regulation - such as Title IX.  This includes non-descrimination on basis of religion, which of course is a very murky area of law. 

So it may be weak, but it's not my weakness.

Now that being said, this suit wasn't filed by anyone at CUA, but by a citizen of DC using the *city's* anti-descrimination law.  Now THAT is weak...

[Abode4life]

Are you fracking kidding me?
A quick search of Marquette Student orgs revealed: http://www.marquette.edu/explore/studentorgs1.shtml

Campus Crusade for Christ
Chinese Christian Fellowship
Christian Fellowship of Marquette
InterVarsity Christian Fellowship
Jewish Student Union
Knights of Columbus
Latter Day Saint Student Association
Lutheran Student Union
Muslim Student Association
Schoenstatt University Men
St. Robert Bellarmine Society
WELS Ministry — Marquette University


Motherfracking Prophet fracking Muhammad that wasn't hard to research.  

Take it easy there.  My comment was to the original post which said, "can something like this happen at MU?".  I didn't ask a question, nor do I care if there actually is one.  As long as MU allows students to practice their own faith, this won't be a problem. 

[augoman]

not to nitpick, but Catholic University is allowing the Muslims to practice their own religion..., just not providing a room devoid of all Catholic 'artifacts'.  Hence, the third party lawsuit.  Accommodating them is one thing, but apparently not bending over backwards requires a lawsuit.

[MUMac]

not to nitpick, but Catholic University is allowing the Muslims to practice their own religion..., just not providing a room devoid of all Catholic 'artifacts'.  Hence, the third party lawsuit.  Accommodating them is one thing, but apparently not bending over backwards requires a lawsuit.

Apparently none of the Muslim students ever complained to the university.  This has been driven by the attorney - creating an issue where none may have existed.

[MUMac]

Slow down chief.  Sultan was not talking about the students, talking about the university accepting federal funds.

Thanks chief, but you may wish to actually read what he said.  To help you out, as this apparently may be an issue with you, here it is again:  "Not when their students accept federal financial aid."

[GGGG]

Thanks chief, but you may wish to actually read what he said.  To help you out, as this apparently may be an issue with you, here it is again:  "Not when their students accept federal financial aid."

OK, you are really just arguing semantics.  Since federal financial aid flows through the schools to the student, it is the same damn thing.

[MUMac]

OK, you are really just arguing semantics.  Since federal financial aid flows through the schools to the student, it is the same damn thing.

Actually, not everyone knows exactly how the program works.  I admit, I do not.  I applied for my son, did not qualify, so never looked further.  My application, though, was with the FASA or Federeal Government, not with the University.  Any approval or fund commitment would have come from FASA, not the University.  The Universities asked if FASA Funds were available, but that was the extent.

So, in that case I can only go by your words.  Not arguing semantics, but frankly if that is the case, you really poorly stated it.  But somehow, that is my fault for taking you at the meaning of your words.   

[GGGG]

Actually, not everyone knows exactly how the program works.  I admit, I do not.  I applied for my son, did not qualify, so never looked further.  My application, though, was with the FASA or Federeal Government, not with the University.  Any approval or fund commitment would have come from FASA, not the University.  The Universities asked if FASA Funds were available, but that was the extent.

So, in that case I can only go by your words.  Not arguing semantics, but frankly if that is the case, you really poorly stated it.  But somehow, that is my fault for taking you at the meaning of your words.   

OK...true.  So here is what it is...

You filled out the FAFSA, but on there you indicated the schools to whom the results would be sent.  The school is allocated certain monies for grants, etc....the school breaks down those monies based on their own formulas of the needs of the student...and allocates the federal money accordingly.

[reinko]

Actually, not everyone knows exactly how the program works.  I admit, I do not.  I applied for my son, did not qualify, so never looked further.  My application, though, was with the FASA or Federeal Government, not with the University.  Any approval or fund commitment would have come from FASA, not the University.  The Universities asked if FASA Funds were available, but that was the extent.

So, in that case I can only go by your words.  Not arguing semantics, but frankly if that is the case, you really poorly stated it.  But somehow, that is my fault for taking you at the meaning of your words.   

I will also claim, that I read Sultan's comments through the eyes of a financial aid professional.

Mea Culpa.

[wyzgy]

so let me get this straight.  if mu accepts federal funds applied for by the student through which the university receives for their education to the student, marquette loses their private school status?  because of the federal funds accepted on behalf of the student, mu becomes a public school??  i'm kind of struggling with that.  where are the separation of church from state freaks?  which is misappropriately used most of the time, but i digress.  it seems to me that sultan is saying b/c of the long arm of the fed, supplying the funds, then gets to tell marquette what it can and cannot do.  if i'm wrong, help me out here,but that just doesn't seem right.       

[GGGG]

You are exactly correct.  MU is beholden to a number of federal regulations, such as title IX, due to accepting federal financial aid funds.  There are a number of colleges that don't accept financial aid...Hillsdale, Thomas Aquinas, etc.

[wyzgy]

You are exactly correct.  MU is beholden to a number of federal regulations, such as title IX, due to accepting federal financial aid funds.  There are a number of colleges that don't accept financial aid...Hillsdale, Thomas Aquinas, etc.

o.k. then what about it's private status and separation of church and state?  so mu is beholden to some fed regulations, but not others?  what separates mu then from public education institutions?   

[GGGG]

o.k. then what about it's private status and separation of church and state?  so mu is beholden to some fed regulations, but not others?  what separates mu then from public education institutions?   

1. Marquette isn't a church.  Even so, MU willingly accepts the regulations that goes along with the money.

2. I don't know.  I doubt it since the federal government doesn't generally make a distinction between private and public.

3. It's all a matter of degrees.  No college is perfectly public, and only a few are perfectly private.

[wyzgy]

1. Marquette isn't a church.  Even so, MU willingly accepts the regulations that goes along with the money.

2. I don't know.  I doubt it since the federal government doesn't generally make a distinction between private and public.

3. It's all a matter of degrees.  No college is perfectly public, and only a few are perfectly private.

i am not trying to be a smart a$$ or anything, i guess  i'm just wondering what they can and cannot do establishing the fact that they indirectly accept fed monies through student loans; essentially we are the feds beech then.  the dental school accepts state money directly as they are presently the only dental school in the state.  i can understand they are a little more beholden then to the state.  but the feds...?

[GGGG]

Well, the feds will do what the courts let them get away with.  Like when they can tell states what their speed limits should be and what their BAC limits should be simply by taking federal highway money.

[wyzgy]

life ain't fair