TCU to Big 12

[GGGG]

By the way...stolen from another board:

Pre 1994: TCU a member of the Southwest Conference
1994-5: 6 schools leave the SWC and end up in a different conference than TCU due to Big 8 raid
1996: TCU joins WAC
1999: 8 members (including 4 remaining founding members) leave the WAC for the MWC
2001: TCU joins CUSA
2003-5: 8 members of CUSA decide to leave to Big East raid
2005: TCU joins Mountain West
2010: The two conference pillars, Utah (Pac-12 raid) and BYU decide to leave
2011: TCU announces that it's joining the Big East
2011: Pitt and Syracuse (the two remaining Big East members who were all sports since they add football) leave for the ACC
2011: TCU joins the Big 12

I'm not sure what this says about TCU.

[GGGG]

Is there also a distinction to be made that the football money goes directly to the conferences to be divided by the members, while the March Madness money goes to the NCAA and much of it is used for other purposes than payouts to the conferences/teams that participate?  I have a vague recollection that the NCAA uses part of that cash to run the tournaments for all the other sports.  Could be wrong about that.  Does anybody know what percentage of that March Madness money gets paid out, and what percentage gets used by the NCAA for other purposes?  Or am I completely wrong about this?

No you are correct.  Not exactly sure of how much of that $$ gets to the members.

[Canadian Dimes]

For better or worse the BE will not lose is BCS AQ status.  The loss of Pittsburgh and Syracuse will not affect that.  The BCS keeps the NE sector of the country interested in big time collge footabll and tuned in.  All those eyes and markets are a huge boon, for what one spot in a bowl game?  Small cost for the BCS to keep 1/3 of the nations eyes interested.  And in fact while the BE as a whole has not been a juggernaut, they have managaed to produce a team or two each year including a number of 1 loss teams over the last few years and has won a good number of those BCS bowl games.    

[LON]

By the way...stolen from another board:

Pre 1994: TCU a member of the Southwest Conference
1994-5: 6 schools leave the SWC and end up in a different conference than TCU due to Big 8 raid
1996: TCU joins WAC
1999: 8 members (including 4 remaining founding members) leave the WAC for the MWC
2001: TCU joins CUSA
2003-5: 8 members of CUSA decide to leave to Big East raid
2005: TCU joins Mountain West
2010: The two conference pillars, Utah (Pac-12 raid) and BYU decide to leave
2011: TCU announces that it's joining the Big East
2011: Pitt and Syracuse (the two remaining Big East members who were all sports since they add football) leave for the ACC
2011: TCU joins the Big 12

I'm not sure what this says about TCU.

The Horned Frogs are actually just a big fat bag of dicks?

[GGGG]

Dimes, the BE has done OK in the BCS.  6-7.  But three of those six wins are from a school that is no longer in the conference.  (Miami).  And the last victory was 2008 when WVU won the Fiesta Bowl.

I think the BE is more likely to keep their AQ status for legal reasons.

[texaswarrior74]

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Actually they were wronged badly when the original Big 12 was put together. Baylor had powerful allies in the state legislature including the Governor and Lt Governor who helped safeguard their place which put the screws to TCU and SMU in particular. Texas and A&M didn't want more potentially good teams eroding their recruiting base.

TCU did what it had to do to remain relevant in any way while it tried to rebuild football which meant lots of moving around as the program got better.

I thought the move to the BE was grabbing for straws in the first place and geographically would have been a hardship and big money drain for non revenue sports at all schools but more so for TCU.

The Big 12 is a far better fit all around and I can't blame them in the least.

[Pakuni]

Those figures are old.  The Pac 12 figure is now $225M per year.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6471380

The Big 12 combo with Fox and ESPN is $150M per year

http://lubbockonline.com/filed-online/2011-04-13/big-12-strikes-landmark-lucrative-tv-contract-fox

The ACC contract is $155M per year.

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-spt-newteel-acctv-0520,0,4065545.column

I am not sure why they got the ACC one wrong.  That was signed before the blog post.  But the Pac 12 and B12 deals are within the past year.

You add those all up and you get a shade over $1B per year.  Now obviously I was wrong when I say it "dwarfes" what March Madness gets, but it is still more.

And this doesn't include the revenue that conferences get from participating in the BCS to begin with.

But those are combined football and basketball revenues. Safe to say football makes up the lion's share of that, but even if it's as much as 75-80 percent, it would at best be roughly equal to or slightly more than the NCAA tournament rights.

[GGGG]

Understood Pakuni.  Regardless, my "dwarf" statement was wrong...

[Hards Alumni]

boohoo we wont have to have a 250+ RPI opponent for years to come.

color me relieved.

[4everwarriors]

Boom goes the Horned Frogs...............and the BEast.

[Lennys Tap]

Boom goes the Horned Frogs...............and the BEast.

Yes and maybe (eventually), but I hope the funniest and occasionally most insightful dentist in the upper midwest isn't suggesting that something as insignificant as the former could move the needle on, let alone be the cause of the latter.

[jsglow]

I continue to say that a friendly divorce is the only reasonable answer.  The football teams need to be allowed to leave, probably with shortened notice requirements at a minimum.  The hoops only schools (plus ND) need to be allowed to keep the BEast name and bring in basketball only replacements for a 10-12 team league.  This solution represents max. stability for all involved.  I don't blame the remainging football schools; I blame Pitt and Syracuse.  Big 12 is the best place for TCU.  God's speed.

[4everwarriors]

Yes and maybe (eventually), but I hope the funniest and occasionally most insightful dentist in the upper midwest isn't suggesting that something as insignificant as the former could move the needle on, let alone be the cause of the latter.
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Lenny man, just the Upper Midwest? But then again, I suppose, I did only go to a middle of the road dental school.

[Wade for President]

BE teams have to realize their football conference is always going to be crapola, but it can still be a terrific basketball conference. No one in BE cities gives a rat's behind about college football.

This is true.  If you hop on the L'ville board, the consensus I get is that they don't want to leave Big East basketball.  With what Pitino has created (or resurrected) and the YUM, L'ville is a bball school.  In a perfect world, a large majority of Cardinals fans wish they didn't have football and could stay in a conference with the likes of UCONN, MU, G'town, Nova, etc.

Reason #458 why I hate college football.

[bamamarquettefan]

My brother who moved to Pitt last year said it really seemed close to 50-50 there on those who liked and disliked the acc move. Those guys always seemed more rapi about the beast tournament than the NCAA or football

[brewcity77]

I continue to say that a friendly divorce is the only reasonable answer.  The football teams need to be allowed to leave, probably with shortened notice requirements at a minimum.  The hoops only schools (plus ND) need to be allowed to keep the BEast name and bring in basketball only replacements for a 10-12 team league.  This solution represents max. stability for all involved.  I don't blame the remainging football schools; I blame Pitt and Syracuse.  Big 12 is the best place for TCU.  God's speed.

But why boot the football schools if they have no landing place? What if the SEC goes with Missouri, and then the Big 12 adds TCU, SMU, BYU, and Boise State to get to 12? Why tell Louisville and Cincy they have to go back to CUSA, or UConn that they have to go to the MAC, or WVU that they have to go independent? Keep them around.

Look, the ideal is for the Big East to remain BCS. But if not, and we don't lose schools, does it really matter that much? What if we add Army and Navy for football, Temple and UCF as full members, and still lose the BCS bid? We'll still have an elite basketball conference. It will be tougher for the football programs to get to a BCS game (like it has been for Utah, Boise State, and TCU in recent years) but if they're good enough, they can still get there under the current format. And our basketball brand is a lot stronger with UConn, Louisville, and West Virginia in the mix.

There's no need for a divorce, just a need to accept that we might not be a football superpower. Since that hasn't really been a problem the past ten years, I don't see why it'd change going forward. Just keep the basketball strong. The best way to do that is to keep the football schools that are willing to stay as long as we can, even if the football dissolves and they park their teams in the MAC.