Three 2011 St. John's signees ruled ineligible

[foreverwarriors]

http://college-basketball-blog.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/26283066/32001979

[Nukem2]

3 in one class.  A wee bit embarrassing for SJU....

[Skatastrophy]

That's brutal.

[Lennys Tap]

Squirmworthy.

[texaswarrior74]

Just Lavin up to his old tricks

[muhs03]

Isn't this the "new normal?"

You want to see "bad," take a look at Boise's football team. I don't understand why people think that they got robbed when they weren't chosen to participate in the championship game. Personally, I could not have been happier. Too many players that didn't qualify to play for BCS conference teams.

[MattyWarrior]

How will they be suddenly eligible for the second semester,either you have the credits or you don't. Lavin reminds me of a used car salesman.How could the athletic department not know at this late date? 

[GGGG]

Isn't this the "new normal?"

You want to see "bad," take a look at Boise's football team. I don't understand why people think that they got robbed when they weren't chosen to participate in the championship game. Personally, I could not have been happier. Too many players that didn't qualify to play for BCS conference teams.

What makes you think that BCS conference teams have higher academic standards for their athletes than Boise State?

[bilsu]

What makes you think that BCS conference teams have higher academic standards for their athletes than Boise State?

A lot BCS Conferences, if not all, do not accept partial qualifiers.

As far as St. John's the players have not been cleared by the clearing house. Until they are they are ineligible and have to pay their own way. Every year there are players that are in limbo when the semester starts. Most of them get cleared.

[Jay Bee]

A lot BCS Conferences, if not all, do not accept partial qualifiers.

There is no such thing as a partial qualifier in D1.

[MUMac]

Every year tere are players tat are in limbo when the semester starts. Most of them get cleared.

This is far different than the players you are referring to.  These 3 went through the Clearing House already and were declared ineligible.  They did not give a reason why, though.

[Jay Bee]

This is far different than the players you are referring to.  These 3 went through the Clearing House already and were declared ineligible.  They did not give a reason why, though.

Not far different - same situation.

[bilsu]

Not far different - same situation.

The Louisville center was declared ineligible last year. He became eligible after Louisville appealed the decision. Not sure of the timing, but I think it was late September. That is the player that picked Louisville over MU.

[Jay Bee]

The Louisville center was declared ineligible last year. He became eligible after Louisville appealed the decision. Not sure of the timing, but I think it was late September. That is the player that picked Louisville over MU.

I'm missing your point.  You're thinking of Gorgui Dieng - I think the timing was even later than that - late October. 

[Litehouse]

Not far different - same situation.

Maybe I'm missing your point.  Someone compared the SJU players to the situation with recent MU players (Lazar, Yous, and Cadougan) where we've had to wait for them to get through the clearinghouse.  When those MU players finally got through the process, they were declared eligible, it was just an issue with the delay.

These SJU players already went through the clearinghouse and were declared ineligible.  They can appeal (like Dieng at UofL), but this isn't the same as the previous MU players.

[Jay Bee]

Maybe I'm missing your point.  Someone compared the SJU players to the situation with recent MU players (Lazar, Yous, and Cadougan) where we've had to wait for them to get through the clearinghouse.  When those MU players finally got through the process, they were declared eligible, it was just an issue with the delay.

These SJU players already went through the clearinghouse and were declared ineligible.  They can appeal (like Dieng at UofL), but this isn't the same as the previous MU players.

My point is that it's not uncommon for kids to be waiting to get declared academically eligible (or ineligible) by the clearinghouse.  I missed the part about the comparison to recent MU players.

[humanlung]

Um...didn't we have the same situation back when Bob Dukiet (?) was coach?  I remember going 0 for 5 or something close.  I also remember that being the final straw, although I could be wrong.

Update:  My bad...it was MU Admissions that bounced our guys, not the NCAA.

[lab_warrior]

Maybe I'm missing your point.  Someone compared the SJU players to the situation with recent MU players (Lazar, Yous, and Cadougan) where we've had to wait for them to get through the clearinghouse.  When those MU players finally got through the process, they were declared eligible, it was just an issue with the delay.

These SJU players already went through the clearinghouse and were declared ineligible.  They can appeal (like Dieng at UofL), but this isn't the same as the previous MU players.

+1

Ineligible means INELIGIBLE.  Eligible means ELIGIBLE. 

/aced Phil 1001 Logic

[Dawson Rental]

"The best thing about freshmen is that they become sophomores."

                                                                   ---Al McGuire

"The best thing about freshmen is that they are just a year away from becoming eligible."

                                                                                             ---Steve Lavin

[MUMac]

Not far different - same situation.

Actually, you are incorrect.

[MUMac]

The Louisville center was declared ineligible last year. He became eligible after Louisville appealed the decision. Not sure of the timing, but I think it was late September. That is the player that picked Louisville over MU.

Well, that's one.  Far cry from what you stated.

In Dieng's case, Louisville was appealing.  There is no mention that St. Johns is appealing.  One player sounds like he may go the Prep School route. 

Further on Dieng, his situation was from Senegal.  The transfer of the credits get's murky in the clearinghouse world.  That is why Louisville appealed and won.  I do not believe any of these players were international recruits.

[bilsu]

Well, that's one.  Far cry from what you stated.

In Dieng's case, Louisville was appealing.  There is no mention that St. Johns is appealing.  One player sounds like he may go the Prep School route. 

Further on Dieng, his situation was from Senegal.  The transfer of the credits get's murky in the clearinghouse world.  That is why Louisville appealed and won.  I do not believe any of these players were international recruits.

I think the fact he talked about them possibly being eligible the second semester would indicate that they are appealing the decision. What I found curious about that statement is to me it indicates they will not go to St. John's the first semester. Seems like they rather miss a semester than pay their own way.

[Jay Bee]

Actually, you are incorrect.

Not at all - read again, d.s.

[77ncaachamps]

This hurts but don't they have a 9 newbie class entering (of course, it's now 6)?

[Nukem2]

This hurts but don't they have a 9 newbie class entering (of course, it's now 6)?

True but they'll be down to 8 players.  Will need a bunch of walk-ons to have reasonable practices.