Would you attend Marquette again?

[ZiggysFryBoy]

In hindsight, yes, I should have researched more, and I ignorantly assumed all colleges required you to take core curriculum.  I went to Marquette primarily because they had a good PA program and it was relatively close to home.  Also in hindsight, I believe having to take those core requirements was useless. You can pawn it off as "Cura Personalis" or whatever but I think that's a clever facade and a fallacy to make universities in general, not just Marquette, more money.  

Marquette's a good school but I believe you can get as good an education, for less money, elsewhere.  

What 4 year universities don't require a core curriculum?  Isn't that why it's a "univers(e)"ity, instead of a college? 

[Benny B]

I hope you guys are not the weasels you appear to be.  You're kidding, right? 

Conning your way out of legit debt is wussy.

Seeing as how most debts that are discharged in BK are 'legit,' does that mean every person who's ever declared BK is a wuss?  What about people who have patronized (or work for) a business that has gone through BK... are they wusses too?

America must be the wussiest country in world.  Well, except for Greece maybe.

[ringout]

Seeing as how most debts that are discharged in BK are 'legit,' does that mean every person who's ever declared BK is a wuss?  What about people who have patronized (or work for) a business that has gone through BK... are they wusses too?

America must be the wussiest country in world.  Well, except for Greece maybe.

I specifically said "conning your way out of legit debt".  I meant spending time looking for crooked methods to get relief from legitimate debt.  There are many legitimate reasons to declare bankruptcy.  Weaseling out of student loans isn't one of them.   See Phil 104, Theory of Ethics.

[Hards Alumni]

I specifically said "conning your way out of legit debt".  I meant spending time looking for crooked methods to get relief from legitimate debt.  There are many legitimate reasons to declare bankruptcy.  Weaseling out of student loans isn't one of them.   See Phil 104, Theory of Ethics.

PHIL 104 has changed since you've been at school. :-D

and no, of course I wouldn't weasel my way out of debt.

[Benny B]

I specifically said "conning your way out of legit debt".  I meant spending time looking for crooked methods to get relief from legitimate debt.  There are many legitimate reasons to declare bankruptcy.  Weaseling out of student loans isn't one of them.   See Phil 104, Theory of Ethics.

Listen, debt is debt.  It doesn't matter how "legit" it is... if you committed to it (i.e. borrowed, contracted, etc.), you should have to pay it when due.  I have a hard time with the fact that there is any method to discharge debt, but as long as chapters 7, 11, 13 and that damn Wisconsin ch 128 are on the books, I'm not going to fault someone for exercising the law (although I will curse their name if they owe me money).  What's the point in taking the moral high road while the weasels take all that's left?  It's a dog eat dog world, if you want to wear Milk Bone underwear, fine... but don't complain when you lose it.

Although, I would be remiss if I didn't mention the growing number of students who are being "conned" into "legit debt" by schools who promise education leading to a career that will net enough income to reasonably pay off their student loans sometime between their 51st and 64th birthday... just in time to collect Social Security and Medicare, which incidentally, will themselves be bankrupt by then.

So who are the real weasels?  The students who want an education to better themselves but aren't fortunate enough to get their parents to foot the bill, the schools who charge ridiculous tuition, or lenders who basically want to ensure these kids are going to be beholden to them for the next several decades?

[HouWarrior]

The worst abuses of the student loan system have little to do with the legit schools screening and admitting quality students , and providing a quality education , and degree...like MU.

Come and Go Online schools are finally getting the federal attention deserved for their ruinous abuse of the student loan system.

You may have seen 60 minutes on this, or read elsewhere, of how they "job" the system. For profit investors cruise to find a college with full accreditation...this is the key, especially if they are in year one, with, say 4 years running time before they come up for acreditation review(every 5 years). Also you want the small school financially to be on its last legs. The sharks "buy" the small school by paying the defaulted debt, or covering current cash needs, but solely premised on the agreement, it permit them to take over and to"virtualize" the school by offering thousands of online degrees, usually by a rebranding to a catchy elite sounding web name.

Next step is to flood the internet, and undereducated areas of the country with recruiters, who seek out and prey on students who normally wouldnt qualify for any college...(single moms, laid off workers, etc)...convincing them an online degree is a key to a good job, and a better life. Once signed up (SAT/ACT/GPA...no problem, mon-lol), the onliners qualify them for the max in student loans possible, and they cash the loan checks quickly.

Voila! There is no real educating, extremely low value to the degree, and ..who cares....the goal is to crank as much tuition receipts, as possible, until the accrediation people eventually jerk the school's accreditation, and then,well...just shut that one down...and "buy" another. The business model generates huge profits income for the owners, it never delivers squat for the duped, unqualified students, and few ever get jobs needed to repay the student loan debts.

The Irony is that online schools are exempt from a general federal rule that at least 10% of their funding NOT come from federally backed student aid...meaning 100% of the online school's for profit income can currently come from student loan proceeds.....with the primary result that the: i)taxpayers left with all the unpaid student debts and ii)the poor ,unemployed honest kids who struggle, but repay the loans(--despite their being scammed) are both funding the very profitable busines models of the onliners, and then the  huge loan default rates.. by secondary result, make it harder and more expensive for the MU'er to borrow, and to repay(and the MUer is  actually pursued more relentlessly for repayment...because the feds see at least he/she has a job....ironic).

Of Course remedying the onliners systemic abuse of the student loan $ flow...has become political...mods please do not delete. lol

http://www.usnews.com/mobile/articles_mobile/the-partisan-battle-over-for-profit-education

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2009/06/24/20090624loanfraud0624-ON.html


UPDATE: On the recent news  of weaker than expected rules by the executive branch, including a 3 year delay on rules changes, the stock prices of the onliners soared, and Univ of Phoenix founder celebrated by selling $59 million of his stock, and yelling out...I am a Phoenix....Yeeeeeeooooowww! lol

The above pattern of the onliners will continue for at least a few more years... not good.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/13/university-of-phoenix-founder-john-sperling-sells-stock_n_897575.html

[HouWarrior]

The second largest Online college group, owned by our friends at Goldman Sachs, is sued in an $11 billion federal fraud  suit-- a nice rundown of the fraud of online universities is laid out in this NY Times piece:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/09/education/09forprofit.html?_r=1&hpw

Huge scams like this, are abhorrent due to their tangental effect of damaging the student loan program , and opportunities/costs to legitimate university students--including, eventually, to MUers

[muzzwilliams]

This shouldn't even be a question, let alone a discussion post on this website. I would attend Marquette again in a heartbeat. And all my kids will go to marquette. And all my kids will send their kids to Marquette etc.

[BobWildLoyalist]

If I had the money I would send every kid on my block to Marquette. Sore high Golden Eagles.

[mugrad2006]

Nope.  I loved my time at MU, and when I meet a fellow MU grad there's always a great connection.  That being said, I had the grades to give me a shot at a top tier school but never gave a serious effort.  Now five years out and in grad school looking at the network the top tier state school and private schoolers have, I'd have tried for one of those universities.

[4everwarriors]

Like I've always said. MU is middle of the road, nothing more, nothing less.

[swoopem]

I am one of 4 kids that has/goes/or will be going to MU. There is not a chance in hell that I would go to any other school. I had the best 4 years of my life in Milwaukee and continue to live vicariously through my younger brothers who attend Marquette. My kids don't have a choice MU will be shoved down there throats from day 1. I will never choose where my kids will go to school, but I can guarentee that Marquette will be a contender. Plus by the time I have kids and they are college bound, we will have won multiple national championships and Buzz will be approaching his 30 year tenure at MU.

[ken8406]

If I were to choose again I would have gone with Boston College. Boston is very similar to MKE but the pace and city see more alive than MKE. The oppourtunities on the East Coast seem to have more upside than the midwest. The only major city that MKE is close to is Chicago. While Boston is within a days trip of NYC, Philly, and DC.

[Benny B]

I would bet if you posed this question to any college graduate, the percentage of people who say they'd do it again vs. go elsewhere are going to be nearly the same.

MU grads might want something more prestigious.
Harvard grads might want a little more fun.
MIT grads might want a little more sun.
Michigan grads might want something farther away from Detroit.
UNLV grads might want less "culture"
BYU grads might want more "culture"
UW grads might not want to re-live the 60's in Madison.

There are always going to be reasons for and against attending MU again - and they'll certainly vary from person to person - but if you regret the decision you made, you have the ability to do it over again --- of course, you'll be the creepy 50 year old with a backwards ballcap at a frat party hitting on girls that weren't born the last time you had hair.

[ringout]

I loved my Marquette experience.  Made friends for life, great Milwaukee area network, spiritual growth, many other positives.

Not sure that I could pony up the $$ with total cost of an MU education increased more than 7% a year in 30 years.

[BobWildLoyalist]

I got married on the steps of Johnston Hall

[4everwarriors]

I got married on the steps of Johnston Hall

Same spot F*ckin' lost his virginity.

[BobWildLoyalist]

Same spot F*ckin' lost his virginity.

So that's what all the racket was.

[ringout]

Same spot F*ckin' lost his virginity.

I didn't think F*ckin got that close to Gesu.

[muzzwilliams]

Everything gets close to Gesu. It sees all.

[jmayer1]

Like I've always said. MU is middle of the road, nothing more, nothing less.

Yep, and you've always been wrong.

[GGGG]

Yeah, I don't understand the middle of the road comment.  I mean, USN&WR has MU as #75 out of 262 in their "national university" category.  And that doesn't include the 400+ regional universities, liberal arts colleges, etc.

Not cream of the crop, but hardly middle of the road.

[MUBurrow]

I think that there's an important distinction between Marquette being a middle of the road school and Marquette being in a middle of the road city. I love Milwaukee/the Midwest. That being said, Marquette is as good a school to go to as any. The Marquette Mafia is alive and well, connections to the Midwest are probably as good as/better than any non-B10 school, and maybe better considering that the small MU community causes alums to look out for their own more than huge public schools.  

That being said, I'm not sure what people that want to end up in NY, LA, DC, etc were expecting when they signed up for MU.  Of course a smallish liberal arts college (see later post - I'm a dumbass) a regionally respected school in MKE isn't going to translate directly to NYC lofts and investment banking jobs.  Nor is it going to (normally) cause doors to swing open in the entertainment industry in LA. But if you're a midwestern kid with a plan and desire to stay in the Midwest, I think MU is as good a choice as any and a better choice than most.

[Hards Alumni]

If I had the money I would send every kid on my block to Marquette. Sore high Golden Eagles.

*Soar

[GGGG]

MUBurrow...I don't know what you mean.  Marquette is a "smallish liberal arts college?"  It is neither small, nor is it a liberal arts college.