Possible transfer?

[Marquette84]

....LOT harder to get McNeal, Matthews, James type of minutes in the door at MU...now than it has ever been.

Not really.

In the door MPG comparison (Buzz's recruits italicized).  I also included Hayward:

James: 32.5 mpg
DJO 29.7
Crowder 27.6
McNeal 27.5
Matthews 24.9
Cadougan 19.8 (soph year)
Butler 19.6
Blue 19.0
Hayward 16.3

Doesn't look like its been that much harder for newbies to get minutes their first year under Buzz. And I guarantee that if we could sign a PG as good as James was in 2006, he'd get 32 mpg next year.

So, no, I don't buy the notion that its a "LOT" harder to get minutes coming in under Buzz. 

In fact, I would bet that Wilson is going to get a ton of minutes in his first year--he may well beat Matthews' 24.9 mpg.

Meanwhile, the minute distribution follows an amazingly similar pattern under both coaches:  Compare MPG among the top 6 in Buzz's rotation in 2011 to the number of minutes for Crean's top 6 in 2008.

2011 Minutes (top 6):
Butler:  34.6
DJO: 30.0
Crowder: 27.6
Buycks: 28.1
Cadougan 19.8
Blue 19.0

2008:
James: 30.2
McNeal: 30.2
Matthews: 28.9
Hayward: 25.4
Barro:  19.9
Cubillan: 17.6

My guess is that we'll see a very similar pattern emerge in 2011-12, with the top 3 players (DJO, Crowder & Wilson getting 28-32 mpg each; the next group Otule, Gardner, Blue and Cadougan tally 15-24 each, and everyone else (D Wilson, Anderson, Jones, Mayo, Singleton and the two empty scholarships) falls in below that. 

[Slim]

I blame his High School coach and the services that rank high school talent.

I think the kid had the heart of a lion and, when he was on the floor, nobody would out-hustle him. But he did not come into the program BEast ready. He was never dependable in a team defensive scheme and that prevented more playing time. I hoped he would get more playing time next year but this off season would have been very important in his development and his recovery from surgery would have prevented it.

It has been said on this board many times ranking high school talent is so arbitrary that listing these kids from 1 - 300 doesn't mean much.

I wish him the best, he seemed like a great kid when I talked to him at Marquette Madness.

[Marquette84]

It has been said on this board many times ranking high school talent is so arbitrary that listing these kids from 1 - 300 doesn't mean much.

Last year the players ranked 1 through 5 were Harrison Barnes, Jared Sullinger, Kyrie Irving, Brandon Knight and Tobias Harris.

I don't know who the players ranked 296-300 were, but I'd be willing to bet that they didn't come anywhere close to the performance of the top 5.

So there probably is more than just an arbitrary difference between these two ends.

Perhaps if you're comparing #65 to #67, the difference becomes arbitrary.

There are certainly examples of highly ranked players who bust, and low rated players who excel.  But the Dukes, UNCs, UKs of the world are pretty good year in and year out by focusing their recruiting on the top 40 ranked players.

[Buzz's Tin]

Erik, take care.

[El Duderino]

Last year the players ranked 1 through 5 were Harrison Barnes, Jared Sullinger, Kyrie Irving, Brandon Knight and Tobias Harris.

I don't know who the players ranked 296-300 were, but I'd be willing to bet that they didn't come anywhere close to the performance of the top 5.

So there probably is more than just an arbitrary difference between these two ends.

Perhaps if you're comparing #65 to #67, the difference becomes arbitrary.

There are certainly examples of highly ranked players who bust, and low rated players who excel.  But the Dukes, UNCs, UKs of the world are pretty good year in and year out by focusing their recruiting on the top 40 ranked players.

I agree that recruiting rankings aren't completely arbitrary, there is a reason the top schools win consistently. They generally get the most top rated recruits.

That said, once you get outside the cream of the crop top 25-50 recruits each year, it does start getting more arbitrary. Most of say the McDonald's All-American's are going to be good to very good college basketball players. They generally are where the difference makers come from vs kids ranked in the 70-125 area.

That's why if your program lands a 5 star recruit, there is legit reason to be really bummed if the kid ends up being only mediocre. Once though you start talking about kids ranked say 77th or 86th, then expectations simply need to be more tempered because that no longer is the cream of the crop area of recruits.

[ecompt]

Unfortunately this is the rule of thumb in college ball. Al never had to worry about this because he would have five stars and then eight local guys to keep the alumni happy. Good luck to Erik.

[rocky_warrior]

First off, when someone says on his Twitter page that he is the "#1 info source of Greater Houston Basketball," you can pretty much be assured that he's nowhere close to #1.

I don't think MUScoop has a twitter page (someone please correct me if I've been a dim-twit on this), but for the record, we're the #37 3/4 source for MU basketball news. We'd go for #37, but it's not worth the trouble.  We'd rather hang out with you guys and...

...wish E Will good luck.

[HouWarrior]

First off, when someone says on his Twitter page that he is the "#1 info source of Greater Houston Basketball," you can pretty much be assured that he's nowhere close to #1.

I guess you've seen something from John Harmatuk, claiming this status.  
To enlighten you on some facts....Harmutuk has coached at CySprings, (where my daughters attended) for 10 years..(last 8 as head coach), originally, under Randy Gilmer, who is now head coach at Nimitz.
John's brother head coaches at Klein, and their Dad was a well known head coach for many years. In his defense, he is very well placed, respected and known in Houston HS BB circles.
It may be your gut reaction to say...'you can pretty much be assured that he's nowhere close to #1.'....but you claimed that with no personal knowledge of Houston BB, or of this mans personal and family history.Shame, shame.lol. Freely insult the ego or self promotion in his comment, but take care not to jump  to the assumption, that by saying it...he's nowhere close to no.1. John is right up there in the top eschelon in Houston HS BB coaching circles, earning much local respect (you should ask Buzz of his high opinion of John).
John, his brother, dad, and Randy Gilmer are central to Buzz' Houston recruiting pipeline--lets not insult/bite at the hands regularly feeding us, and feeding us well, with an impressive series of recruits.
John has a blog site I have kept up with over the years with many good links to keep up with Houston BB. Here is his admiring blog on Al McGuire (yes--this from a current HS BB coach in Houston):


http://coachtuk.blogspot.com/2007/01/fantastic-article.html

[Earl Tatum]

this might not be right but,  ---  is ashoalu available for this year and is he a junior? i want faust, like someone mentioned, i want faust bad. so who goes. we aren't on bryant's list. hope he considers us.

[Benny B]

I guess you've seen something from John Harmatuk, claiming this status.  
To enlighten you on some facts....Harmutuk has coached at CySprings, (where my daughters attended) for 10 years..(last 8 as head coach), originally, under Randy Gilmer, who is now head coach at Nimitz.
John's brother head coaches at Klein, and their Dad was a well known head coach for many years. In his defense, he is very well placed, respected and known in Houston HS BB circles.
It may be your gut reaction to say...'you can pretty much be assured that he's nowhere close to #1.'....but you claimed that with no personal knowledge of Houston BB, or of this mans personal and family history.Shame, shame.lol. Freely insult the ego or self promotion in his comment, but take care not to jump  to the assumption, that by saying it...he's nowhere close to no.1. John is right up there in the top eschelon in Houston HS BB coaching circles, earning much local respect (you should ask Buzz of his high opinion of John).
John, his brother, dad, and Randy Gilmer are central to Buzz' Houston recruiting pipeline--lets not insult/bite at the hands regularly feeding us, and feeding us well, with an impressive series of recruits.
John has a blog site I have kept up with over the years with many good links to keep up with Houston BB. Here is his admiring blog on Al McGuire (yes--this from a current HS BB coach in Houston):


http://coachtuk.blogspot.com/2007/01/fantastic-article.html

Although you make the implication that I haven't done my research, had you bothered to visit Coach Tuk's twitter page, you would have clearly seen that a) no where on it does he make the "I'm #1" claim and b) Coach Tuk didn't break the news, he merely re-tweeted a re-tweet.