MU BB Fans ..elites, skew Democratic

[mu_hilltopper]

This was an interesting read:

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/120368144.html

The chart that pertains to MU BB is here:



It's nice to see MU fans are 2nd most influential (in terms of politics) .. then skew slightly liberal -- in comparison to Badger football/basketball fans, who are smack in the middle of Liberal/Conservative and are less influential.

Would have guessed Badger fans were more Republican than MU's fans.

Let's see if we can have a "demographic" conversation instead of a political one...

[ZiggysFryBoy]

So 6 out of the 10 panther fans are libs?    

[Sir Lawrence]

The pro rodeo/NASCAR dichotomy is puzzling. 

[🏀]

Am I missing the WNBA?

[Ari Gold]

Odd that Badger basketball skews further right that MU ball

Some of the other stations are interesting too. TLC, Travel, Discovery and History channel all skew right.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/120368144.html

[GGGG]

Man those UWM fans are a bunch of commies!!!

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

Fishing & NASCAR - nothing like living up to the stereotype.  Rodeo???

[77ncaachamps]

The pro rodeo/NASCAR dichotomy is puzzling. 

Must be a small sample size

[Golden Avalanche]

Odd that Badger basketball skews further right that MU ball

Some of the other stations are interesting too. TLC, Travel, Discovery and History channel all skew right.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/120368144.html

I don't know, seems right to me.

They tend to be a more stolid, conservative program that decides a system is better than versatility (and/or volatility) which provides a weird sense of comfort in their fans knowing they'll always be consistent even if it means they won't reach the highest highs and never the lowest lows.

[Dr. Blackheart]

The pro rodeo/NASCAR dichotomy is puzzling. 

 

Pro rodeo skews heavy Hispanic--24% of their audience. NASCAR has heavy sponsorships and the audience is wealtheir, more educated.  

[Skatastrophy]

 
 NASCAR has heavy sponsorships and the audience is wealtheir, more educated. 

You may very well be right, but that doesn't fit the stereotype in my head.

[PJDunn]

NASCAR fan and "educated" are mutually exclusive.  I have been to one race (Daytona) and the only thing lower than the avg IQ was the avg tooth count. 

[Hoopaloop]

Aren't politics frowned upon here on Scoop?

[Skatastrophy]

Aren't politics frowned upon here on Scoop?

Hilltopper is just trying to goad people into stepping out of line.  He's ban-happy.  Watch yo'self.

[mu_hilltopper]

Skatastophy: Banned!

[Ari Gold]

Hilltopper is just trying to goad people into stepping out of line.  He's ban-happy.  Watch yo'self.

He also deletes comments when he leaves crap from like PJ up
hypocrite much?

[mu_hilltopper]

If you wanted to say, we delete personal attacks against forum members, yes.

If you don't like that kind of rule, feel free to not utilize this forum.

[Hoopaloop]

Hilltopper is just trying to goad people into stepping out of line.  He's ban-happy.  Watch yo'self.

Yes, there seem to be some people banned her for personal attacks and others not banned.  The life of a moderator I suppose. 

Back to the thread, who defines ELITE?  Elite what?  Elite douchebag?  Elite person?  Elite jerk?  Elitist?  I do not see the word elite used once in that article.  Maybe the OP can explain what elite means.

[mu_hilltopper]

Yes, there seem to be some people banned her for personal attacks and others not banned.  The life of a moderator I suppose. 

We do our best.  There are a handful of people here that are constantly attacked, and constantly attack others, and it becomes very hard to separate the wheat from the chaff.  We try.

Back to the thread, who defines ELITE?  Elite what?  Elite douchebag?  Elite person?  Elite jerk?  Elitist?  I do not see the word elite used once in that article.  Maybe the OP can explain what elite means.

Look on the right hand axis of the graph above.  It's labeled "elites + influencer index."  I shortened it to "elites."

[Hoopaloop]

Thank you.  Perhaps I should contact the author to understand his or her definition of Elite on the Y axis of that table.

On the other subject, some moderators are probably better at it than others.

[mu_hilltopper]

Remember, the author of the JS article isn't the one who could explain the term "Elites + influencer index" .. try the firm that created the study.

Or perhaps if there are some Marketing majors who could properly explain the term.  I tried Google, but came up empty.

.. some moderators are probably better at it than others.

Actually, the four of us are equally awesome.

[muhoosier260]

i'm not really sure what it means, nor do I think it really means anything of substance. interesting nonetheless.

[ATL MU Warrior]

Remember, the author of the JS article isn't the one who could explain the term "Elites + influencer index" .. try the firm that created the study.

Or perhaps if there are some Marketing majors who could properly explain the term.  I tried Google, but came up empty.

If I remember correctly the information was sourced to Scarborough which is a study of consumer behavior and media habits done on a local market level -- similar to Simmons or MRI studies that are done based on a national sample. 

The definitions of "Elites" and "Influencers" are not standard questions but rather are based on questions contained in the study which the author grouped together to create those definitions.  There are many ways to do it but "Elites" could be based on those who have achieved high levels of education, have high HH Income, visit art museums, etc., etc.  Influencers would have been created in the same way, by grouping a number of qualifiers which the authors of the study feel define someone who is an "Influencer".

[ZiggysFryBoy]

based on "Elites" and "influencers", I'm guessing this poll was done by the Big 16.   

[Coleman]

Not sure exactly what influencers they are using, but the "elite" influencers usually used are things like education and income, at least most often.

Not a lot here really surprises me. Marquette fans are generally alumni or parents of students. I'd argue that more than any other school in Wisconsin, MU parents are alum themselves as well. MU fandom is kind of self-perpetuating through generations.

And the more educated a person is, the more likely he is to lean Democrat (there are tons of polls backing this up).

As for the Badgers, the majority of their fans are state residents, most of whom never went to school there, or didn't graduate from college at all (this is actually most likely, as their allegiances would then probably lie with the school from which they are an alum). While UW grads probably lean further left than MU grads, UW grads do not constitute a majority of their fans. And UW students are probably less likely to have parents who are UW alum than an MU student.

Other factors could be that the highest percentage of MU fans in Wisconsin live in Milwaukee County, which leans Democrat. Sure, Dane County is heavily liberal but I'd say the rest of UW fans in the rest of Wisconsin (and in more Republican areas) outnumber them in raw totals.

[mu_hilltopper]

I'm gonna guess that, while there's a chunk of MU Fans in Milwaukee County .. the majority is, as you say, alums+parents and while a fraction live in heavily Dem Milwaukee (city) .. then a good chunk live in the suburbs .. I would assume that Southestern Wisconsin MU alums are pretty well spread in the 5-7 county area.    The suburbs trend from a few %age points Republican (or even) to heavily Republican.   

Add in the religious/pro-life skew of Catholics/MU grads ..  I still scratch my head that MU skews Democratic.

[Coleman]

I'm gonna guess that, while there's a chunk of MU Fans in Milwaukee County .. the majority is, as you say, alums+parents and while a fraction live in heavily Dem Milwaukee (city) .. then a good chunk live in the suburbs .. I would assume that Southestern Wisconsin MU alums are pretty well spread in the 5-7 county area.    The suburbs trend from a few %age points Republican (or even) to heavily Republican.  

Add in the religious/pro-life skew of Catholics/MU grads ..  I still scratch my head that MU skews Democratic.

There's certainly MU fans in suburban counties. My point is that I think the MU to UW ratio is probably higher in Milwaukee County than any of those other counties. But that's just my best guess.


Interesting visual regardless.

[Coleman]

Also, what does the size of the dot represent? Fans? TV viewers?

[mu_hilltopper]

Also, what does the size of the dot represent? Fans? TV viewers?

I think it represents awesomeness.

No, wait, here it is:

The size of the bubbles represents relative audience size. The further left the bubble, the more Democratic the audience; the further right, the more Republican (based on how people report their partisan leanings to Scarborough). Bubbles that are higher on the chart reflect an audience that is more active and engaged in politics (again, as measured by survey answers) and bubbles that are lower reflect a less engaged audience.

[Coleman]

I think it represents awesomeness.

No, wait, here it is:

The size of the bubbles represents relative audience size. The further left the bubble, the more Democratic the audience; the further right, the more Republican (based on how people report their partisan leanings to Scarborough). Bubbles that are higher on the chart reflect an audience that is more active and engaged in politics (again, as measured by survey answers) and bubbles that are lower reflect a less engaged audience.

Then the other interesting thing that no one has commented on is that our bubble (audience) is almost exactly the same size as the UW basketball bubble, and about the same (or even a little bigger) than the Milwaukee Bucks. That's pretty surprising to me.

[wyzgy]

"the more educated a person is, the more likely to vote democrat"  ????  now that is a spicy a  meatball.  tell that to a group of nascar dudes souped up on some bud at 10:00 AM and you'll probably fit right in with them and the group of NHL players before masks and helmits

[MUfan12]

Add in the religious/pro-life skew of Catholics/MU grads ..  I still scratch my head that MU skews Democratic.

Don't scratch too hard. We're talking about a Jesuit school. They're as left as they get.

[mu_hilltopper]

Don't scratch too hard. We're talking about a Jesuit school. They're as left as they get.

And that may be so, relative to the (tiny fraction) of Jesuits that are actually in charge / teaching at Marquette.

Hmm .. never mind.  Googling .. the 2006 and 2008 national elections, Catholics went for Democrats 55 and 53% of the time.  So, no surprise I guess.

[wyzgy]

And that may be so, relative to the (tiny fraction) of Jesuits that are actually in charge / teaching at Marquette.

Hmm .. never mind.  Googling .. the 2006 and 2008 national elections, Catholics went for Democrats 55 and 53% of the time.  So, no surprise I guess.

i believe you've got to dig a little deaper than that as the 06/08 elections were more about anti-bush and change change change..  during the regan-carter election, everyone knew we were in deep sheet and voted conservative.  regan took 49 of 50 states

[Coleman]

i believe you've got to dig a little deaper than that as the 06/08 elections were more about anti-bush and change change change..  during the regan-carter election, everyone knew we were in deep sheet and voted conservative.  regan took 49 of 50 states

Right, but we're talking about the way Catholics vote Dem/Repub vote now, as to why that might lend clues as to why MU audiences lean left. Everyone knows Reagan got a lot of Dems to vote for him (hence the term "Reagan Democrats"), most of those people didn't stay with the party though, and ended up voting for Clinton 8 years later.

[ChicosBailBonds]

And that may be so, relative to the (tiny fraction) of Jesuits that are actually in charge / teaching at Marquette.

Hmm .. never mind.  Googling .. the 2006 and 2008 national elections, Catholics went for Democrats 55 and 53% of the time.  So, no surprise I guess.

In 2010 they went for the GOP 54%

No surprise, I guess.  They were disillusioned like just about everyone else.

http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2010/11/03/for-democrats-u-s-catholic-vote-was-the-one-that-got-away/

[Ari Gold]

i believe you've got to dig a little deaper than that as the 06/08 elections were more about anti-bush and change change change..  during the regan-carter election, everyone knew we were in deep sheet and voted conservative.  regan took 49 of 50 states

Reagan only took 50 1/2% of the vote. There was a 3rd party candidate that got like 6m votes (6 1/2%). Interesting fact - Andersons running mate was WI Gov Lucey

Also interesting side note, The Socialist Party of USA nominated Sister Diane Drufenbrock for Vice President a graduate of Marquette -MSCS Alumni.