More DQs Tonight Than The Entire Season

[MUfan12]

That's what every team thinks.  Hopefully Buzz doesn't use such a pathetic excuse with his guys.

Not an excuse, but to deny that a 20 FT differential played a part in that loss is asinine.

Like I said (and you left out) it happens on the road. Gotta fight through it.

[NersEllenson]

Not an excuse, but to deny that a 20 FT differential played a part in that loss is asinine.

Like I said (and you left out) it happens on the road. Gotta fight through it.

It is assinine when you consider that MU is far more athletic and physical than Notre Dame.  Hell Mike Brey even said it in his postgame newsconference:   "We weren't able to rebound in man to man. We weren't even jumping off of the floor like we can. They were just so much faster than us."

Due to the quick (and generous) whistle in the first half favoring ND, and limiting MU's pressure defense - we had to back off in the 2nd half...and slightly did..but then factor in the phantom foul on Otule on Abromitis's dunk attempt, the "block" call on Crowder when Scott or Nash absolutely ran him over/dipped shoulder in process, and then Crowder's 5th "foul," - to deny officiating did not affect the outcome of the game is ludicrous.

I have not 1 time this entire season blamed anything on officiating - and usually don't go down that road - but this game was atrocious.  Considering MU averages 19 FT makes per game, and its opponent only TAKES 15 per game - for there to be a 36 to 17 disparity in FT attempts that FAVORS the less athletic team..and completely defies all statistical evidence for an entire MU season of how it plays...is irrefutable.

Pathetic to deny otherwise.

[GGGG]

As I said Ners, I hope Buzz doesn't use this pathetic excuse.  I have lost all hope that fans will though...

[CTWarrior]

I thought the officiating was very one sided against us last night, something I rarely think.  The only other time this season that I thought the refereeing was blatantly one sided was when we lost to Wisconsin, but in that game we were the beneficiary of the one sided calls and UW still found a way to beat us on our floor.  You have to overcome that sort of thing.  The calls were just as bad against us in the first half as they were in the second but we still managed to build a nice lead.

Coaches should never complain about the refs or blame them for a loss, because coaches always need to put the responsibilty for winning games on themselves and on their players.  But that doesn't mean that referees don't decide games with terrible calls, or that there aren't games where the calls are very one sided, because there absolutely are.  SI did a study on the subject and determined that home court advantage is almost entirely due to advantageous officiating.  It happens and it is OK for fans to complain once in a while.

[77ncaachamps]

So according to your logic, when we make more FTs than the other team attempts, that means we are the beneficiaries of referee bias.

Got it.

Quite possibly yes.

[mviale]

Lost the game here - we had 15-18 FTs and they had 28-36.  Call it bad refs or being able to draw the foul.  This led to the final verdict.

[NersEllenson]

So according to your logic, when we make more FTs than the other team attempts, that means we are the beneficiaries of referee bias.

Got it.

Our style of play earns us our Free Throw attempts, as well as not fouling the other team and sending them to the line.  It is Buzz-ball 101..and we win the attempts battle about 90% of the time under Buzz - go back and do the research.  When something happens at a frequency of 90+% it has nothing to do with a "bias" or beneficiary of referee bias.  There is a sample size of about 86 games no under Buzz and in roughly 90% of those games - we take more free throws than the opposition does.

This isn't logic, but statistical fact.  Last night's game was so far off the charts as a statistical outlier - that is absolutely relevant and fair to call into question the officiating.

[Marquette84]

Our style of play earns us our Free Throw attempts, as well as not fouling the other team and sending them to the line.  It is Buzz-ball 101..and we win the attempts battle about 90% of the time under Buzz - go back and do the research.  When something happens at a frequency of 90+% it has nothing to do with a "bias" or beneficiary of referee bias.  There is a sample size of about 86 games no under Buzz and in roughly 90% of those games - we take more free throws than the opposition does.

This isn't logic, but statistical fact.  Last night's game was so far off the charts as a statistical outlier - that is absolutely relevant and fair to call into question the officiating.

Once again, its a statistical outlier only if you ignore Notre Dame's statistics. 

I have to assume that you were unaware that Notre Dame plays "Buzzball 101" and on the season is better at it than we are.

Comparing for their respective 20 game seasons year-to-date:
Fouls:  Notre Dame 316, Marquette 335.
FTA:  Notre Dame 521, MU 507
Opposition FTAs  Notre Dame 301, MU 324
DQs:  Notre Dame 3, MU 3
Opposition Fouls:  Notre Dame 439, MU 416

Every one of these categories, Notre Dame has an advantage on the season over us.

[Chicago_inferiority_complexes]

I haven't read through all of the 1,500 posts on Scoop since last night, so maybe someone already covered this: but is it possible that both the refs and our team blew chunks? Does everything on this site have to be so binary?

[NersEllenson]

Once again, its a statistical outlier only if you ignore Notre Dame's statistics. 

I have to assume that you were unaware that Notre Dame plays "Buzzball 101" and on the season is better at it than we are.

Comparing for their respective 20 game seasons year-to-date:
Fouls:  Notre Dame 316, Marquette 335.
FTA:  Notre Dame 521, MU 507
Opposition FTAs  Notre Dame 301, MU 324
DQs:  Notre Dame 3, MU 3
Opposition Fouls:  Notre Dame 439, MU 416

Every one of these categories, Notre Dame has an advantage on the season over us.

Thanks for the analysis - I was not aware of these stats...so your point is well taken.  Surprising - but guess the Irish play a more aggressive style than thought.  That said..these stats are so close...it would suggest that foul calls should be pretty even as should FTA's.....within having said this...there were no doubt som e VERY bad calls against MU

[mviale]

Less whistles work to our advantage - see 22 points blowout in Milwaukee.

We seem to be the better team on the playground