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Should Be Crystal Clear To All MU Fans...
« on: December 11, 2010, 05:12:13 PM »
this team has no identity. Though they're young, don't see team improvement, even a tiny, little bit. The same problems on October 15 are still present today. DJO has sucked all season and to make matters worse, none of the other guards can shoot either. Don't have to be John Wooden to realize we can't beat a zone.

Now, if ever there was a game that validates the value of big men, it was today's. Hammered in the paint and hammered on the boards. Can't wait for BE season to witness some of those interior ass-kickings. The rodents are chiseled. I have yet to see a whimpy Badger. This is all on the bus driver. He directs the program and calls the shots. I'm happy with Buzz, but he's not infallible. Dramatically needs to change his  focus of recruiting. Needs shooters and rebounders.

You can rip on Bucky and Bo all you want, but the man has built a winner everywhere he's been. Recruits his type of player and they execute his system to perfection. Will they win the Tourney, probably not, but they're consistently damn good. At this point, Buzz has a lot to learn.
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Re: Should Be Crystal Clear To All MU Fans...
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2010, 05:48:05 PM »
Amen.

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« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2010, 05:49:43 PM »
this team has no identity. Though they're young, don't see team improvement, even a tiny, little bit. The same problems on October 15 are still present today. DJO has sucked all season and to make matters worse, none of the other guards can shoot either. Don't have to be John Wooden to realize we can't beat a zone.

Now, if ever there was a game that validates the value of big men, it was today's. Hammered in the paint and hammered on the boards. Can't wait for BE season to witness some of those interior ass-kickings. The rodents are chiseled. I have yet to see a whimpy Badger. This is all on the bus driver. He directs the program and calls the shots. I'm happy with Buzz, but he's not infallible. Dramatically needs to change his  focus of recruiting. Needs shooters and rebounders.

You can rip on Bucky and Bo all you want, but the man has built a winner everywhere he's been. Recruits his type of player and they execute his system to perfection. Will they win the Tourney, probably not, but they're consistently damn good. At this point, Buzz has a lot to learn.
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Re: Should Be Crystal Clear To All MU Fans...
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2010, 05:59:05 PM »
this team has no identity. Though they're young, don't see team improvement, even a tiny, little bit. The same problems on October 15 are still present today. DJO has sucked all season and to make matters worse, none of the other guards can shoot either. Don't have to be John Wooden to realize we can't beat a zone.

Now, if ever there was a game that validates the value of big men, it was today's. Hammered in the paint and hammered on the boards. Can't wait for BE season to witness some of those interior ass-kickings. The rodents are chiseled. I have yet to see a whimpy Badger. This is all on the bus driver. He directs the program and calls the shots. I'm happy with Buzz, but he's not infallible. Dramatically needs to change his  focus of recruiting. Needs shooters and rebounders.

You can rip on Bucky and Bo all you want, but the man has built a winner everywhere he's been. Recruits his type of player and they execute his system to perfection. Will they win the Tourney, probably not, but they're consistently damn good. At this point, Buzz has a lot to learn.

Well, from what I was told on Friday, Buzz is just as concerned as you are and he's not at all confident in this team.  And this was before the underwhelming performance vs UW.

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Re: Should Be Crystal Clear To All MU Fans...
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2010, 08:58:53 PM »
this team has no identity. Though they're young, don't see team improvement, even a tiny, little bit. The same problems on October 15 are still present today. DJO has sucked all season and to make matters worse, none of the other guards can shoot either. Don't have to be John Wooden to realize we can't beat a zone.

Now, if ever there was a game that validates the value of big men, it was today's. Hammered in the paint and hammered on the boards. Can't wait for BE season to witness some of those interior ass-kickings. The rodents are chiseled. I have yet to see a whimpy Badger. This is all on the bus driver. He directs the program and calls the shots. I'm happy with Buzz, but he's not infallible. Dramatically needs to change his  focus of recruiting. Needs shooters and rebounders.

You can rip on Bucky and Bo all you want, but the man has built a winner everywhere he's been. Recruits his type of player and they execute his system to perfection. Will they win the Tourney, probably not, but they're consistently damn good. At this point, Buzz has a lot to learn.

Well said.

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« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2010, 09:01:39 PM »
Mostly agree, except for the need for big men. Otule and Gardner are big. But despite that, we were better at rebounding last year with a smaller Hayward and a healthy Fulce. We just need guys who embrace the role of rebounding the ball, and guys that not only can shoot, but are willing to. As nice as a utility switchable player is, you're lost when you are trying to get 4-5 on the court at the same time.
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Re: Should Be Crystal Clear To All MU Fans...
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2010, 09:03:48 PM »
my take on this team: five words - No. Eye. Of. The. Tiger.

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« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2010, 09:05:51 PM »
There has to be something going on behind the scenes. DJO is an extremely talented basketball player, but he's being yanked out of games quickly and he just seems to have zero confidence. It doesn't make sense. At some point, Buzz has to let him play and quit playing games with him unless there's something else going on. Nothing against Smith, but what was he doing in the starting lineup if he was going to take a charge 45 seconds into the game only to get yanked for Caudogan 30 seconds later. There are too many head games going on. It's kind of odd.

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Re: Should Be Crystal Clear To All MU Fans...
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2010, 09:32:22 PM »
this team has no identity. Though they're young, don't see team improvement, even a tiny, little bit. The same problems on October 15 are still present today. DJO has sucked all season and to make matters worse, none of the other guards can shoot either. Don't have to be John Wooden to realize we can't beat a zone.

Now, if ever there was a game that validates the value of big men, it was today's. Hammered in the paint and hammered on the boards. Can't wait for BE season to witness some of those interior ass-kickings. The rodents are chiseled. I have yet to see a whimpy Badger. This is all on the bus driver. He directs the program and calls the shots. I'm happy with Buzz, but he's not infallible. Dramatically needs to change his  focus of recruiting. Needs shooters and rebounders.

You can rip on Bucky and Bo all you want, but the man has built a winner everywhere he's been. Recruits his type of player and they execute his system to perfection. Will they win the Tourney, probably not, but they're consistently damn good. At this point, Buzz has a lot to learn.

I absolutely could not have written a post that better describes my exact thoughts after tonight. Perfectly said.

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Re: Should Be Crystal Clear To All MU Fans...
« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2010, 09:46:44 PM »
There has to be something going on behind the scenes. DJO is an extremely talented basketball player, but he's being yanked out of games quickly and he just seems to have zero confidence. It doesn't make sense. At some point, Buzz has to let him play and quit playing games with him unless there's something else going on. Nothing against Smith, but what was he doing in the starting lineup if he was going to take a charge 45 seconds into the game only to get yanked for Caudogan 30 seconds later. There are too many head games going on. It's kind of odd.

I agree. If he is rewarding guys for being tough and having good practices by giving them starting spots and playing them two minutes then buzz is being ridiculous. 10 games into the season against one of the few quality teams in the pre-conference schedule is the wrong time to be playing these kind of head games. The rotation is ridiculous, guys are shuffling in and out like crazy. Only 7 guys got major time but it seemed like the frequency of subsitition between those 7 was high. Hell, if you looked away for a second the odds were that you missed someone getting replaced.

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« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2010, 09:55:49 PM »
Here is what is cystal clear:
1.  We do not have a true point guard.
2.  We do not have pure shooters; we have streak scorers. 
3.  Buzz needs to change his position and practice free throws.

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« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2010, 10:06:38 PM »
I'd still rather have the coach that long term gives you a better chance to win 6 games in March, but this is probably the first time in 3 years I've been concerned about Williams, though I am glad to hear second-hand that he's concerned. Players don't appear to know what their roles are 10 games into the season. No identity and lack of improvement (same issues as the Gonzaga game) are pretty much spot on.
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« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2010, 10:10:20 PM »
Here is what is cystal clear:
1.  We do not have a true point guard.
2.  We do not have pure shooters; we have streak scorers. 
3.  Buzz needs to change his position and practice free throws.


This statement has been blown way out of proportion. Very few D1 teams actually take practice time to work on FTs. The players are expected to do that on their own. College basketball teams have a limited amount of time that they can spend practicing each week. Most coaches do not want to use that time to stand around shooting FTs.

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« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2010, 10:14:24 PM »
This statement has been blown way out of proportion. Very few D1 teams actually take practice time to work on FTs. The players are expected to do that on their own. College basketball teams have a limited amount of time that they can spend practicing each week. Most coaches do not want to use that time to stand around shooting FTs.

Wooden's teams practiced FTs.

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« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2010, 10:33:40 PM »
There has to be something going on behind the scenes. DJO is an extremely talented basketball player, but he's being yanked out of games quickly and he just seems to have zero confidence. It doesn't make sense. At some point, Buzz has to let him play and quit playing games with him unless there's something else going on. Nothing against Smith, but what was he doing in the starting lineup if he was going to take a charge 45 seconds into the game only to get yanked for Caudogan 30 seconds later. There are too many head games going on. It's kind of odd.

I never agree with you about anything, but I agree with you here.. It seems like there is a big time culture problem on the team this year. Almost like disillusionment or something. I think it seems most obvious in Jimmy and DJO. I've been a member of the Buzz Williams Kool-Aid Drinkers club ever since he started, but I'm starting to wonder what the deal is. I wonder if hs brutal honesty approach is finally starting to wear on the players...

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« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2010, 12:14:50 AM »
You can rip on Bucky and Bo all you want, but the man has built a winner everywhere he's been. Recruits his type of player and they execute his system to perfection. Will they win the Tourney, probably not, but they're consistently damn good. At this point, Buzz has a lot to learn.

UW was the better team today and will probably finish with more wins than MU this year but I'm not so sure I'd trade coaches.  The main people I've heard "ripping Bo and his recruits" over the last several months are the UW fan base.  UW beat us with 2 seniors and a junior.  Bo's recruiting over the last couple years hasn't resulted in a bunch of stellar sophs and freshmen out there.  His best freshman player, Gasser, wouldn't even be at UW if another of his young players hadn't been kicked off the team leaving Bo in late desperation move to offer Gasser.  Bo certainly has had a number of his players like J.P. Gavinski and Greg Stiemsma fail to develop.  Bo has had the luxury of program stability while Buzz is still suffering from the roster turn over associated with the Head Coaching change.  Put junior Ty Taylor out there in place of Reggie Smith or JC and Senior Trevor Mbakwe in place of Otule and its MU winning by 10+.  I believe MU’s future after this year at least as bright as UW’s.  I believe that over the next 5 years Buzz will build a consistent winner just like Bo has. 

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« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2010, 12:27:44 AM »
Let's keep kidding ourselves with comments like "we're more athletic".  That and a quarter gets you a phone call.

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« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2010, 06:49:53 AM »
I'm with you, hoops1. You'd think that a team way more "athletic" would have fast break points (other than off a steal or TO), buy wait - that would require a rebound.
For some reason, these athletic switchables have not gelled into a well-functioning team. Starting to wonder if Buzz can make it happen. The last two years the kids "got it" and worked thier asses off - this year many of them look tentative as hell.

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« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2010, 07:38:55 AM »
Excuses, excuses. The players there are Williams. His strength coach is his. The recruiting strategy is his. The shooters or lack thereof are his. The big men are his. The rotation he uses is his. The program is his. The head games being played is his strategy. Excuses, excuses. My advice for what it is worth:
~~Establish a starting lineup, and for the most part, stick with it. Smith should not be part of it.
~~Give DJO the green light to shoot out of his slump, and don't yank him right away. Tell him so and stop playing the yo-yo game with him Two to three games should determine how that goes.
~~Leave Crowder out of the Center rotation, except for 2-3 minutes at most. Teach Otule how to box out. He already is a good shot blocker. Gardner and Otule should garner almost all the minutes at Center.
~~When Gardner is in, pound the ball inside, as first option. He has good touch/moves around the basket, and gets fouled. He also is a good passer.
~~The Guard rotation should be Jr., DJO and Buycks with Blue some spot minutes there and at small forward. Jr. and DJO are the starters. If DJO does not get his stroke back after several games OF NO HEAD GAMES from Buzz, then decide the next course of action.
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« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2010, 07:42:41 AM »
Is punting an option?
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« Reply #20 on: December 12, 2010, 07:48:12 AM »
My advice for what it is worth:
~~Establish a starting lineup, and for the most part, stick with it. Smith should not be part of it.
~~Give DJO the green light to shoot out of his slump, and don't yank him right away. Tell him so and stop playing the yo-yo game with him Two to three games should determine how that goes.
~~Leave Crowder out of the Center rotation, except for 2-3 minutes at most. Teach Otule how to box out. He already is a good shot blocker. Gardner and Otule should garner almost all the minutes at Center.
~~When Gardner is in, pound the ball inside, as first option. He has good touch/moves around the basket, and gets fouled. He also is a good passer.
~~The Guard rotation should be Jr., DJO and Buycks with Blue some spot minutes there and at small forward. Jr. and DJO are the starters. If DJO does not get his stroke back after several games OF NO HEAD GAMES from Buzz, then decide the next course of action.

I agree with everything except think that Blue should start for Buycks.  Yes he has played well but agree with the comment I saw somewhere here that he is a street baller and the way we are currently playing lends itself to his type of game.  If we actually start playing team ball then Blue will be a better fit.  My 2 cents.

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If DJO cant break the slump then go with Buycks at some point based on your comment above.
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« Reply #21 on: December 13, 2010, 09:45:58 AM »
Well, from what I was told on Friday, Buzz is just as concerned as you are and he's not at all confident in this team.  And this was before the underwhelming performance vs UW.

If true, scary.

This is his team entirely. This is the team that many fans said scared away top prospects like Shaw, Hood, Faust, etc. This is a team that isn't getting an impact player next year unless there's some serious improvement over the next month. This is his team for job security.

People crushed the last guy because so much potential talent was wasted with no skill devlopment and player improvement through the years. A very short sample but 1/3 into the year and there's not much difference from Prairie View.

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« Reply #22 on: December 13, 2010, 09:50:06 AM »
If true, scary.

This is his team entirely. This is the team that many fans said scared away top prospects like Shaw, Hood, Faust, etc. This is a team that isn't getting an impact player next year unless there's some serious improvement over the next month. This is his team for job security.

People crushed the last guy because so much potential talent was wasted with no skill devlopment and player improvement through the years. A very short sample but 1/3 into the year and there's not much difference from Prairie View.
Well said. We might be in the hurt locker, however, we do have two cupcakes now, so we can get all psyched up again.
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« Reply #23 on: December 13, 2010, 09:58:31 AM »
If true, scary.

Just take what you read with a grain of salt, this is probably the biggest troll on the board you're responding to.
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« Reply #24 on: December 13, 2010, 10:04:22 AM »
This team is built on a model similar to Missouri.  however, it doesnt attempt to play the same style of ball as a missouri type team.  There is no urgency to ramp up the tempo.  If you arent gonna push the tempo, there is not reason to play 10-11 guys.  It gets you nothing.  UW should have been pressured the entire game if MU is gonna play that many players.  If MU cant play that style, then scrap the 10-11 man rotation and go back to last years style of the dribble drive half court offense.

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« Reply #25 on: December 13, 2010, 10:10:44 AM »
Looking at the Wisco game and down the road...  and not to make excuse, but explain why I see the glass half full (or bottle half tipped over).

At the Wisconsin game I turned to my friend and pointed to the court, we have 4 years of division 1 experience combined out there (for what was one of our better lineups this year - Buycks and Jimmy were the only ones w/experience).  You cannot beat a system without experience and the know-how to beat it.  Wisconsin is a system team (as boring as it is). 

That said, I think if you took any of the matchups, player-to-player, I would take the Marquette guy in any game (Taylor may be tough to pass over DJO or Buycks).  I think there's much more raw talent and athleticism (which has been mentioned as an cop-out or something else useless) than we have seen.  But at the same time we have much less experience than we have seen as well.   

Give them some time.  It may not be this season, but I think this team will go down as one of our better teams. 
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« Reply #26 on: December 13, 2010, 10:17:28 AM »
Here is what is cystal clear:
1.  We do not have a true point guard.
2.  We do not have pure shooters; we have streak scorers. 
3.  Buzz needs to change his position and practice free throws.


Practice Free throws? Give me a break. That is something any player kids can do on their own. Free throws are the least of this teams issues.

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« Reply #27 on: December 13, 2010, 10:29:04 AM »
my take on this team: five words - No. Eye. Of. The. Tiger.
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We were beaten Saturday by a better team (as of December 11th). Sometimes, instead of trying to find fault in what our players did, you just have to give credit where credit is due.  My only real problem with Saturday was that we needed to run more when we did grab a defensive rebound, to make them pay for sending 4 to the offensive glass.  Oh, and box out the shooter.

I do think that Buzz has to give the keys to this car to Cadougan, and see what happens.

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« Reply #28 on: December 13, 2010, 11:24:10 AM »
I agree that our lack of identity comes with our lack of experience. It really hurts not to have a core group of experienced upperclassmen to provide leadership and the intelligence that comes with experience. Last year we were so concerned about our lack of talent that we overlooked the huge value of veteran, experienced leadership who forged our mentality. This year we were too excited about our raw talent and forgot how valuable leadership is from experienced seniors who have 4 years of Marquette basketball behind them. Hopefully our current freshman class can build an identity for the next four years. As for this year, I hope Jimmy can rally the troops, but it's a lot to ask to create an identity from a mix of freshman and transfers. We have benefited from 2 great senior classes the past two years who had been through a lot together in their four years, and this year, we don't have that kind of leadership to forge an identity, or at least not yet. Hopefully they can find an identity by Feb, but they may not find it until Feb 2012.

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« Reply #29 on: December 13, 2010, 11:52:38 AM »
Maybe this is an oversimplification, in fact it probably is, but, isn't the starting point for Buzz to decide what our system of play is going to be, adapt that to the talent involved, then play those people? 

Buzz has to decide what our system is/will be, teach that system, and play those who can execute it.

If we are having trouble deciding how to play, it is not fair to blame the players for not establishing our "identity".

Right now, I'd say our system is not discernible or certainly not the style we have been able to recognize in the past.

So, what is it?

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« Reply #30 on: December 13, 2010, 01:19:17 PM »
This is a team that isn't getting an impact player next year unless there's some serious improvement over the next month.

We get Jamil Wilson next year.  But we lose Butler, so I guess you could call it a wash.

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« Reply #31 on: December 13, 2010, 01:23:09 PM »
We get Jamil Wilson next year.  But we lose Butler, so I guess you could call it a wash.

This year off should do wonders for Wilson. He has the ability to take games over... when he wants to.

I think a year on the bench and in the program should help him develop that attitude.

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« Reply #32 on: December 13, 2010, 01:45:40 PM »
Many of you are freaking out because we don't have an identity. Well look at the roster and at the experience it has. They haven't created their identity yet. Give them time to play together, win together, LOSE together and figure out what that identity is.

Whoever said we don't have an impact guy coming next year you're insane. If you don't think Juan or Jamil are impact guys then I'm not sure what to tell you.

This board should be locked down for 2-3 days after every loss. This is unbelievable.

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« Reply #33 on: December 13, 2010, 01:55:31 PM »
Many of you are freaking out because we don't have an identity. Well look at the roster and at the experience it has. They haven't created their identity yet. Give them time to play together, win together, LOSE together and figure out what that identity is.

Whoever said we don't have an impact guy coming next year you're insane. If you don't think Juan or Jamil are impact guys then I'm not sure what to tell you.This board should be locked down for 2-3 days after every loss. This is unbelievable.

Ok, I think this team can still circle the wagons and get to the NCAAs.  However, look at the statements Ive bolded in your post.  which one of those guys will have experience next year?

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Re: Should Be Crystal Clear To All MU Fans...
« Reply #34 on: December 13, 2010, 02:52:09 PM »
This year off should do wonders for Wilson. He has the ability to take games over... when he wants to.

I think a year on the bench and in the program should help him develop that attitude.

I like the energy that Jamil is bringing to the bench during his transfer year.  He was by far our best cheerleader at the Wisco game.  He was consistently the first one on his feet and trying to get the fans into it. 
I think once he's suited up next season, he'll want to take over games consistently. 
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Re: Should Be Crystal Clear To All MU Fans...
« Reply #35 on: December 13, 2010, 02:57:12 PM »
We get Jamil Wilson next year.  But we lose Butler, so I guess you could call it a wash.

I rarely say this about any basketball player, but Jimmy Butler is to unselfish, he should be looking for his shot more than he does.

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Re: Should Be Crystal Clear To All MU Fans...
« Reply #36 on: December 13, 2010, 03:04:03 PM »
This year off should do wonders for Wilson. He has the ability to take games over... when he wants to.


With respect, when has he ever done this against D1 competition?  Isn't this a stretch and unfair to expect of him?

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Re: Should Be Crystal Clear To All MU Fans...
« Reply #37 on: December 13, 2010, 03:04:21 PM »
This year off should do wonders for Wilson. He has the ability to take games over... when he wants to.

I think a year on the bench and in the program should help him develop that attitude.

I think we should temper that a bit.  I watch a lot of Pac Ten games out this way and honestly don't recall him taking over many games last year.  The year off should help him greatly as it did Robert Jackson, but we should be realistic about expectations for next year.

If memory serves, he only reached double digits in scoring maybe 2 or 3 times all year last year...there were a number of games he did not play (injured)

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Re: Should Be Crystal Clear To All MU Fans...
« Reply #38 on: December 13, 2010, 03:23:24 PM »
Whoever said we don't have an impact guy coming next year you're insane. If you don't think Juan or Jamil are impact guys then I'm not sure what to tell you.

But they will only have a combined 1 year of D1 experience.  How can you expect them to have an impact with so little experience?



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Re: Should Be Crystal Clear To All MU Fans...
« Reply #39 on: December 13, 2010, 03:29:04 PM »
Admittedly, I only saw him a couple of times at Oregon. But I watched him quite a bit in HS, and watched him very closely this summer.

He has a lot of natural, God-given ability. He's got a diverse skill-set, with his size and athleticism. The dude just glides around the court. A lot of times he could get whatever he wanted, but deferred to his teammates.

Hence my comment. He will be one of, if not the most talented guy on the roster next season. He has the natural ability to take over a game, but as I said, he's gotta have that mindset.

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Re: Should Be Crystal Clear To All MU Fans...
« Reply #40 on: December 13, 2010, 10:38:18 PM »
We get Jamil Wilson next year.  But we lose Butler, so I guess you could call it a wash.

Careful.

We saw some of this during the summer: Butler will be better then Hayward; DJO is going pro; Blue is All-Rookie and will be gone early to the NBA, etc.

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« Reply #41 on: December 13, 2010, 10:53:05 PM »
Right. To date, the summer league was no more than entertainment. It's yet to pay off in games that actually count.

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Re: Should Be Crystal Clear To All MU Fans...
« Reply #42 on: December 13, 2010, 11:36:28 PM »
The biggest thing I took away from the game was this, the Badgers had at least two scoring options on each possession.  Marquette would pass the ball around the perimeter until the shot clock would boil down and we would put up a low percentage shot.

Whatever happened to paint touches?  What about running the offense through Butler, a la Evan Turner?  I think we can all agree that we lack a true point guard and a consistent scoring option.  I'd prefer the ball in Butler's hand over Buycks, Cadougan, DJO, Blue or Smith.

Just a few thoughts, let me know what you guys think.

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Re: Should Be Crystal Clear To All MU Fans...
« Reply #43 on: December 14, 2010, 05:59:57 AM »
What about running the offense through Butler, a la Evan Turner?  I think we can all agree that we lack a true point guard and a consistent scoring option.  I'd prefer the ball in Butler's hand over Buycks, Cadougan, DJO, Blue or Smith.

I love Butler as much as the next guy, but he's no Evan Turner. Turner was the quintessential point forward and one of the best players in the country (hence the NPOY award). Butler's a good offensive option, but I don't think we want him bringing the ball up the court. It looked easier last year because we had Acker and Cubillan getting the ball to Butler and Hayward. We may not have that this year, but that doesn't mean trying to turn Butler into our primary ball-handler.
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Re: Should Be Crystal Clear To All MU Fans...
« Reply #44 on: December 14, 2010, 06:40:52 AM »
The biggest thing I took away from the game was this, the Badgers had at least two scoring options on each possession.  Marquette would pass the ball around the perimeter until the shot clock would boil down and we would put up a low percentage shot.

Whatever happened to paint touches?  What about running the offense through Butler, a la Evan Turner?  I think we can all agree that we lack a true point guard and a consistent scoring option.  I'd prefer the ball in Butler's hand over Buycks, Cadougan, DJO, Blue or Smith.

Just a few thoughts, let me know what you guys think.
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Finally!  Someone else said this!  Buzz needs to get this done for a few reasons.  The one you mention above and because Butler is the best scoring option and wont take control by himself.

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Re: Should Be Crystal Clear To All MU Fans...
« Reply #45 on: December 14, 2010, 07:59:20 AM »
Whatever happened to deflections? We need more of them puppies too.
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Re: Should Be Crystal Clear To All MU Fans...
« Reply #46 on: December 14, 2010, 08:02:29 AM »
I love Butler as much as the next guy, but he's no Evan Turner. Turner was the quintessential point forward and one of the best players in the country (hence the NPOY award). Butler's a good offensive option, but I don't think we want him bringing the ball up the court. It looked easier last year because we had Acker and Cubillan getting the ball to Butler and Hayward. We may not have that this year, but that doesn't mean trying to turn Butler into our primary ball-handler.
I dont think Butler has to bring the ball up to have the offense run through him.

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Re: Should Be Crystal Clear To All MU Fans...
« Reply #47 on: December 14, 2010, 10:01:40 AM »
I finally know what ners is talking about.

this team has no identity. Though they're young, understatementdon't see team improvement, even a tiny, little bit. The same problems on October 15 are still present today. October 15th was two months ago.  Is that really the normal learning curve for a team with NO experience?DJO has sucked all season and to make matters worse, none of the other guards can shoot either. Don't have to be John Wooden to realize we can't beat a zone.

Now, if ever there was a game that validates the value of big men, it was today's. Hammered in the paint and hammered on the boards. Can't wait for BE season to witness some of those interior ass-kickings. The rodents are chiseled. I have yet to see a whimpy Badger. Funny how no one would have called us wimpy when we had a veteran team that knew how to win close games.This is all on the bus driver. He directs the program and calls the shots. I'm happy with Buzz, but he's not infallible. Dramatically needs to change his  focus of recruiting. I'm not going to bother listing out all of the big men buzz has brought in.  It's not even that they are not good, they are just injury prone.Needs shooters and rebounders.

You can rip on Bucky and Bo all you want, but the man has built a winner everywhere he's been. Recruits his type of player and they execute his system to perfection. Will they win the Tourney, probably not, but they're consistently damn good. We have been good as well.  No one (outside of MU fans who thought our Joco transfer and top 60 recruit were going to combine for 35, 18 and 10) thought this team would be good.At this point, Buzz has a lot to learn. what coach doesn't after 4 years running programs?

A team loses 3 close games to superior competition and things need to 'dramatically' change?  Come on.  The only thing that needs to change is that the bigs we bring in need to stop getting foot injuries and when every expert picks us to be 10th we need to temper our expectations.  The latter being the bigger problem in this case.  It would also help if our 4's would stop being nut cases and transferring.

It's a rebuilding year.  Ners, we aren't going to make the tourny and buzz should catch some of the blame for the team's shooting woes and perimeter D(you can also make a case for timeouts coming 2 possessions too late).  4ever, no 'dramatic' steps to Bo-ify the program are needed.

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Re: Should Be Crystal Clear To All MU Fans...
« Reply #48 on: December 14, 2010, 12:50:17 PM »
For better or worse, but I think better, this is Jimmy and DJO's team. They should be the first options on offense and take control when needed.  DJO needs a little Earl Tatum in him. 

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Re: Should Be Crystal Clear To All MU Fans...
« Reply #49 on: December 14, 2010, 01:01:08 PM »
Earl Tatum SI

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Re: Should Be Crystal Clear To All MU Fans...
« Reply #50 on: December 14, 2010, 04:52:08 PM »
Great to see the SI cover of Earl. Despite the loss to IU, I believe he blocked that shot of the strong but plodding UW-like, Kent Benson. Earl's defense was as smooth and determined as his offense. DJO has this ability if he chooses to use it.

Benson showed off his real stuff when he plodded around as the Buck's stiff in the post soon after Kareem left for the Lakers.         

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Re: Should Be Crystal Clear To All MU Fans...
« Reply #51 on: December 14, 2010, 06:30:25 PM »
Wrong, DJO is no William Earl Tatum. Earl was at least 5 inches taller, a prolific scorer at Mt. Vernon High School (Gus Williams, McCray Bros. etc.) and a future NBA player. To say nothing about being labeled a "black Jerry West."
Again, DJO can't fill #43's jock strap.
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