pre-big east play should include all d-1 state schools

[wyzgy]

why aren't we playing all the d-1 state schools(round robin) plus the best d-2 or 3 whitewaters, eau claires??  it would show case the locals, raise a lot of money and create an atmosphere of competition.  rather than scheduling schools like praire view s&m or renegage nuns on wheels, we get some pretty good challenges that are easy on the travel budget.  i know, the games that can only hurt ya crowd is growing restless, but look at chaminade-every year they get a chance to knock off a big dog and they did it again this year(also remember 1982/ralph sampson).  so what.  we still get to showcase some upscale games in the one or two tourneys with road trips to sell the recruits.  then do the big east thing.  i think egos get in the way

[79Warrior]

why aren't we playing all the d-1 state schools(round robin) plus the best d-2 or 3 whitewaters, eau claires??  it would show case the locals, raise a lot of money and create an atmosphere of competition.  rather than scheduling schools like praire view s&m or renegage nuns on wheels, we get some pretty good challenges that are easy on the travel budget.  i know, the games that can only hurt ya crowd is growing restless, but look at chaminade-every year they get a chance to knock off a big dog and they did it again this year(also remember 1982/ralph sampson).  so what.  we still get to showcase some upscale games in the one or two tourneys with road trips to sell the recruits.  then do the big east thing.  i think egos get in the way

Who the heck cares about the state schools. do you want to build a national program or what????

[Brewtown Andy]

why aren't we playing all the d-1 state schools(round robin) plus the best d-2 or 3 whitewaters, eau claires??  it would show case the locals, raise a lot of money and create an atmosphere of competition.  rather than scheduling schools like praire view s&m or renegage nuns on wheels, we get some pretty good challenges that are easy on the travel budget.  i know, the games that can only hurt ya crowd is growing restless, but look at chaminade-every year they get a chance to knock off a big dog and they did it again this year(also remember 1982/ralph sampson).  so what.  we still get to showcase some upscale games in the one or two tourneys with road trips to sell the recruits.  then do the big east thing.  i think egos get in the way

You do realize that playing non-D1 schools don't count as games played by the NCAA tournament committee, right?

[wyzgy]

You do realize that playing non-D1 schools don't count as games played by the NCAA tournament committee, right?

then why did we play that d3 school from minnesota?

[MUfan12]

then why did we play that d3 school from minnesota?

That was an exhibition game.

[Brewtown Andy]

then why did we play that d3 school from minnesota?

Seeing as Broeker & Buzz have both talked about not playing exhibitions ever again and going with two scrimmages against high major D1 schools instead, I don't have a good answer for you.

[wyzgy]

Who the heck cares about the state schools. do you want to build a national program or what????

playing a couple of credible state d-1 schools does not take away from our already nationally recognized team.  the big east, the holiday tournaments and hopefully a regular showing in the big show takes care of that.  play he d3 champ from previous year, then uw's gb, milw. and madison, umm, next up longwood??  now that's a real national powerhouse.  where the he.. is longwood?? 

[🏀]

Hands down, worst topic ever.

Marquette gains NOTHING playing the UW-Extension schools.

Marquette loses so much playing these schools. Bradley Center revenue, a home game for season ticket holders, traveling expenses, and let's not forget these teams would be gunning for us.

Dumb idea.

[Chicago_inferiority_complexes]

Amazed that this idea keeps coming up. It's like theories about bigfoot or the Roswell landings: they just never go away.

[chapman]

Some people really, really need to get out of Wisconsin a little more.

[ultimate]

I'm all for playing local competition and think we should have games against UW-Madison, UW-Milw, and UW-GB every year.  However, the revenue sharing must make sense for us.

A home and home against UW-GB or UW-Milw does not make sense based on our financial needs.
A round robin tournament could be fun if the contracts could be negotiated "fairly".  But, I don't think that the 4 division 1 schools in this state could ever come to an agreement on what is fair.

I'm also all for playing either Carroll College, UW-SP, MSOE, etc. in an exhibition game, but that's up to Buzz if he wants to schedule an exhibition game or not. I think that MU has done a great job of keeping the money in the family and/or state in the past few years when scheduling exhibition games.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Been over this a million times.

UWGB and UW-M are in the same conference, they cannot play each other in a tournament unless it were to count as a conference game, which I doubt either side would want to do.

[Stronghold]

The topic of your post reads "pre-big east play should include all d-1 state schools," and we do just that.  UW-Milwaukee, UW-Green Bay, and UW-Madison.  Playing any other team would be a terrible idea unless it was in the 1 exhibition game we play every year.

[brewcity77]

The topic of your post reads "pre-big east play should include all d-1 state schools," and we do just that.  UW-Milwaukee, UW-Green Bay, and UW-Madison.  Playing any other team would be a terrible idea unless it was in the 1 exhibition game we play every year.

+1

That was my thought. We are playing UW-M, UWGB, and Bucky this year. There aren't any other D1 state schools. Who cares who we play in the exhibition?

[Coleman]

MU should play in the Bradley Center!!

MU should join a major conference!

MU should play all the D-1 state schools!

...wait a minute...

[wyzgy]

Been over this a million times.

UWGB and UW-M are in the same conference, they cannot play each other in a tournament unless it were to count as a conference game, which I doubt either side would want to do.

i don't live on this board like some of you do-sorry-never seen this topic addressed.  worst topic ever allowed the master feeler to come up with the worst responses-teams gunning for us?  dude, nothing wrong with that-stand up to the challenge and beat them down.  traveling expenses??  umm-walking to the bradley center??  us season ticket holders paid for st. john's(minn.-div. iii), longwood, praire view a&m...weak effort of a response-save the brain cells. 

[Mayor McCheese]

why aren't we playing all the d-1 state schools(round robin) plus the best d-2 or 3 whitewaters, eau claires??  it would show case the locals, raise a lot of money and create an atmosphere of competition.  rather than scheduling schools like praire view s&m or renegage nuns on wheels, we get some pretty good challenges that are easy on the travel budget.  i know, the games that can only hurt ya crowd is growing restless, but look at chaminade-every year they get a chance to knock off a big dog and they did it again this year(also remember 1982/ralph sampson).  so what.  we still get to showcase some upscale games in the one or two tourneys with road trips to sell the recruits.  then do the big east thing.  i think egos get in the way

Well we played UW-GB... and UW-M... and will be playing Madison in a few days, I don't think we are missing any Wisconsin D1 programs to play?


Where is this question coming from? 

[MerrittsMustache]

A tourney like this would bring in enough money for MU to start a football team!

[🏀]

i don't live on this board like some of you do-sorry-never seen this topic addressed.  worst topic ever allowed the master feeler to come up with the worst responses-teams gunning for us?  dude, nothing wrong with that-stand up to the challenge and beat them down.  traveling expenses??  umm-walking to the bradley center??  us season ticket holders paid for st. john's(minn.-div. iii), longwood, praire view a&m...weak effort of a response-save the brain cells. 

Since you're the brain trust. What is the best case scenario for Marquette to do this? What is the worst case scenario?

[wyzgy]

Since you're the brain trust. What is the best case scenario for Marquette to do this? What is the worst case scenario?

worst topic ever?   but since you've asked-best case scenario would be a round robbin tourney with all four.  mu and uw alternate home and home as they do.  have them play for a traveling _________ trophy.  like the paul bunyon axe as minnesota and uw football does.  my vote would be for the traveling bratwurst   worst case scenario would be that uwgb and uwm talent would be similar to d-3 teams.   maybe this would provide incentive and be a recruiting tool for those two.   next up that national powerhouse...longwoody

[🏀]

worst topic ever?   but since you've asked-best case scenario would be a round robbin tourney with all four.  mu and uw alternate home and home as they do.  have them play for a traveling _________ trophy.  like the paul bunyon axe as minnesota and uw football does.  my vote would be for the traveling bratwurst   worst case scenario would be that uwgb and uwm talent would be similar to d-3 teams.   maybe this would provide incentive and be a recruiting tool for those two.   next up that national powerhouse...longwoody

No. What is the best case scenario for Marquette with your plan?

Answer. There is no upside for Marquette to continue playing series with UWM & UWGB that include an away game. Even if it swapped from the BC to the Kohl Center, we gain nothing playing these schools.

Complain about 'longwoody', but at least Marquette is making money instead of losing like last Saturday.

[wyzgy]

no, they play their respective games against uwgb and uwm at the bradley center and alternate with uw home and home as they do now.  or set up their holiday/bank classic tourney with uw, uwgb and uwm every year.  at least that way we have decent competition guaranteed for that event as opposed to the last ? years the competition has sucked and therefore the attendance has been brutal.  coordinate it with the h.s. torney held at the all over the holidays.  man, i'm just exploding with ideas here

[TallTitan34]

Again there is no advantage for Marquette in your scenario.

[Chili]

no, they play their respective games against uwgb and uwm at the bradley center and alternate with uw home and home as they do now.  or set up their holiday/bank classic tourney with uw, uwgb and uwm every year.  at least that way we have decent competition guaranteed for that event as opposed to the last ? years the competition has sucked and therefore the attendance has been brutal.  coordinate it with the h.s. torney held at the all over the holidays.  man, i'm just exploding with ideas here

gb and mke cannot play non-conference games vs. each other therefor no round robin tournament would not work. your ideas are like new coke, you think they sound great but actually are brutal.

[wyzgy]

but playing longwood, st. johns(minn.), praire view s&m, s. dakota and cemetary are really gonna fill up the b.c.  guess i'll check out stub hub now before it's too late

[reinko]

Just drop it everyone, he doesn't get it.

[Chili]

but playing longwood, st. johns(minn.), praire view s&m, s. dakota and cemetary are really gonna fill up the b.c.  guess i'll check out stub hub now before it's too late

you do know the st. johns (mn) coach is former player correct? so in essence you want mu NOT play a former player and to help out the uw-marathon county bc it's good for the state?

[🏀]

but playing longwood, st. johns(minn.), praire view s&m, s. dakota and cemetary are really gonna fill up the b.c.  guess i'll check out stub hub now before it's too late

But at least Marquette is making money, instead of spending by playing in Madison.

[TallTitan34]

but playing longwood, st. johns(minn.), praire view s&m, s. dakota and cemetary are really gonna fill up the b.c.  guess i'll check out stub hub now before it's too late

With home-and-homes against LSU, Vanderbilt, and Wisconsin the next few years I think our pre-season schedule is just fine.  And that isn't even counting pre-season tournaments.

[Brewtown Andy]

With home-and-homes against LSU, Vanderbilt, and Wisconsin the next few years I think our pre-season schedule is just fine.  And that isn't even counting pre-season tournaments.

I think it'd be kind of fun if we go on a ongoing tour of the SEC.  I mean, it'll take 20 years at this point, and playing UK, UT, and UF is probably out, but otherwise fun.

[wyzgy]

Just drop it everyone, he doesn't get it.

dude-i didn't realize you were the board massa and everything must pass thru the all american.  BUT, the arguments seemed to center around money and what's in it for mu and we have everything to lose blah blah... listen,  if it were about money, we'd schedule higher quality teams.  if it were about padding the schedule, well..., as for the uwm's/uwgb's gunning for us, well they all gun for us. who doesn't want to beat an MU. 
i guess i didn't realize you guys have all beat this dead horse, but judging by the responses of some of you, it created some critical thinking

[TallTitan34]

if it were about money, we'd schedule higher quality teams

LSU, Vanderbilt, Wisconsin, ....

[wyzgy]

LSU, Vanderbilt, Wisconsin, ....

looking forward to those-thanks

[The Man in Gold]

looking forward to those-thanks

You do realize most other teams of that caliber won't travel to Marquette for the exact same reasons, right?  Most high level basketball teams, certainly all w/o a football team to pad their budget, need to play as many home games as possible to make sure they can continue to invest in the program.  Playing big name schools in a home-home series takes a way a home game thus Marquette earns essentially $0.

The 15,000 paid attendance (and a Win) against Bucknell every year is way better than a potential 19,000 attendance game once every two years (with a potential loss).  The decision to engage in buy games is a necessity of the current NCAA structure and Marquette's desire to remain a top flight team in terms of facilities and amenities.

Next topic please.

[TallTitan34]

Good point MiG.

[wyzgy]

You do realize most other teams of that caliber won't travel to Marquette for the exact same reasons, right?  Most high level basketball teams, certainly all w/o a football team to pad their budget, need to play as many home games as possible to make sure they can continue to invest in the program.  Playing big name schools in a home-home series takes a way a home game thus Marquette earns essentially $0.

The 15,000 paid attendance (and a Win) against Bucknell every year is way better than a potential 19,000 attendance game once every two years (with a potential loss).  The decision to engage in buy games is a necessity of the current NCAA structure and Marquette's desire to remain a top flight team in terms of facilities and amenities.

Next topic please.

i just couldn't let this one go.  if i would have made this comment, including the 15,000 paid attendance, you guys would have been all over me like flys on squat.  they were probably lucky to have 10,000 there sunday afternoon especially when they just had a game 2 days prior. the box score shows 13,700.  don't they share a % of the revenue from away games?

[Brewtown Andy]

i just couldn't let this one go.  if i would have made this comment, including the 15,000 paid attendance, you guys would have been all over me like flys on squat.  they were probably lucky to have 10,000 there sunday afternoon especially when they just had a game 2 days prior. the box score shows 13,700.  don't they share a % of the revenue from away games?

All the season tickets are presold and automatically count towards attendance.

And no, they don't get any money from road games.  This is my theory as to why the UWM game attendance stunk. Since this season and next season's games are "home & home" meaning each school keeps all the money from the game, MU made no effort to advertise the game.

[HoopsMalone]

Marquette and DePaul should get a round robin with the Bucks and Bulls going.  I am sure fans would care about that more than MU playing Bucknell or the Bulls playing the Kings.  You would think that is a no brainer by now.

[🏀]

i just couldn't let this one go.  if i would have made this comment, including the 15,000 paid attendance, you guys would have been all over me like flys on squat.  they were probably lucky to have 10,000 there sunday afternoon especially when they just had a game 2 days prior. the box score shows 13,700.  don't they share a % of the revenue from away games?

(13,700 paying tickets to play Longwood - Longwood's buy game fee) > (0 paying tickets + traveling expenses to pay a lowly extension school).

Yeah, it makes sense.

[TJ]

Why has this discussion gone on this long?

We did or will play all of the Wisconsin d-1 state schools this year.  Discussion over.  What more could you possibly want?

[The Man in Gold]

Why has this discussion gone on this long?

We did or will play all of the Wisconsin d-1 state schools this year.  Discussion over.  What more could you possibly want?

We should play Fox Valley Tech!!!

[brewcity77]

dude-i didn't realize you were the board massa and everything must pass thru the all american.  BUT, the arguments seemed to center around money and what's in it for mu and we have everything to lose blah blah...

No, I think what he was saying is that this tournament you want to see cannot happen. UW-M and UW-GB are both in the Horizon league. If they play each other, league rules specify that it must count as a league game. Does either Milwaukee or Green Bay want to sacrifice a home game to play a league game on a neutral court like the BC or the Kohl Center? Certainly not. That's why when you see all of these non-conference tournaments to kick off the year, there is no conference duplication. Maui may get UConn or Syracuse, but not both. The CBE could have Duke or North Carolina, but only one at a time. The Old Spice Classic can have Michigan State or Wisconsin, but only one of the two. If teams from the same league face each other, it will count as a conference game.

The only exceptions are the post-season conference tournaments and the NCAA/NIT tournaments. But that's because they are post-season. Because of that, a state tournament with Marquette, Wisconsin, Milwaukee, and Green Bay cannot happen. The only way it works is if either Milwaukee or Green Bay were to leave the Horizon. Until that happens, your hope for this tournament cannot happen because it violates NCAA rules.

[TheButlerDidIt]

We're 2-0 in the round robin tournament. One more win and we're state champs!