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Author Topic: Vander getting some love from ESPN  (Read 14541 times)

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Re: Vander getting some love from ESPN
« Reply #25 on: October 23, 2010, 11:18:03 AM »
The more you are in a hurry, the more mistakes you're bound to make. Also it's easier for a slow tempo team to get a high tempo team to play its game than vice a versa.

Henry Sugar is correct in that if you are underdog ideally you want to slow the game down, if you are the favorite ideally you want to speed it up-----but I use the word "ideally" because I'm not sure that most teams are able to make that type of adjustment from game to game without losing synergy in between.

Hence most teams generally are rated eother uptemo or low tempo.

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Re: Vander getting some love from ESPN
« Reply #26 on: October 23, 2010, 11:45:18 AM »
Murf, HS flat out said that according to his study of the data, the % of turnovers to posessions is a constant regardless of tempo.   I don't know the exact numbers, obviously, but what he is saying that a team that averages 5 turnovers per 50 posessions will average 7 pers 70.    The raw number of turnovers per game will be higher with an uptempo team, but the ratio is a constant.  Henry, I am assuming you mean within a team.   I.E.,  MU's turnover/posession ratio is constant regardless of tempo, but is an independent number from any other team's ratio. 
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Re: Vander getting some love from ESPN
« Reply #27 on: October 23, 2010, 03:00:50 PM »
A team can play at a fast pace and still not be in a hurry if they are taking good shots.  Likewise, a team could play at a very slow pace and still not be composed (think the good ol' three man weave at the top of the key <shudders>).  I agree with Murff's additional points too.

To clarify, turnover rate is turnovers per possessions.  An average turnover rate is 20%, or turning the ball over one out of every five trips down the court.  A slower team (60 possessions per game) will get 12 turnovers per game if they are average.  A faster team (70 possessions) will get 14 if they are average.

I would have thought that the turnover rate goes up the faster the pace a team plays.  ie - a team that plays at 70 possessions tends to have a turnover rate higher than 20%.  Again, there's no proof that is the case.
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