Harrison Announcement

[Henry Sugar]

Also, I just realized this today, and it's super-obvious but the info blew my mind.

Starting next year MU will have six top 100 recruits on the roster for the first time since (probably) the seventies.*

Our team is collecting a level of talent unseen to Marquette fans in the modern era...  and there are still two more scholarships to hand out for next year.


*I didn't bother checking through the 80's or most of the 90's because I don't have records back that far.  If anyone can clarify the ranking of KO's players that'd be great.

[Aughnanure]

Can somebody explain to me exactly why every one around here is so f'n pessimistic? 

Of course the St. John fan forum thinks he's a SJU lean, they've thought that for quite awhile.  If you go to the Baylor forum, or the Okie State forum you'll see the exact same thing.  The fans of the other three schools involved with Harrison each think that they are the leader for his services.  So why exactly are Marquette fans so quick to assume that we're out of it?

We're a bunch of debbie downers lately. I don't get it either, every recruit we are in on someone comes in and bums everyone out and then it festers like a sore in other recruit threads. But looking at other forums talking about any high-profile recruits, they're all super excited and having fun. What happened to that? Not even the Anderson commit relieved some of the pessimism.

Seriously guys, cheer up....

[4everwarriors]

Can somebody explain to me exactly why every one around here is so f'n pessimistic? 

Of course the St. John fan forum thinks he's a SJU lean, they've thought that for quite awhile.  If you go to the Baylor forum, or the Okie State forum you'll see the exact same thing.  The fans of the other three schools involved with Harrison each think that they are the leader for his services.  So why exactly are Marquette fans so quick to assume that we're out of it?

Because we're always flying off at the handle over here. Didn't everyone get the email? Discussion on this board needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

[Pakuni]

Can somebody explain to me exactly why every one around here is so f'n pessimistic? 

Of course the St. John fan forum thinks he's a SJU lean, they've thought that for quite awhile.  If you go to the Baylor forum, or the Okie State forum you'll see the exact same thing.  The fans of the other three schools involved with Harrison each think that they are the leader for his services.  So why exactly are Marquette fans so quick to assume that we're out of it?

It's Oct. 12 and we don't have any only have one commitment!

Oh wait, that's the same number MU had last Oct. 12.

[MarkCharles]

Heres an article from today, with inside sources, who make it sound like this is still anyone's game. And its from a slightly less biased source than a St. Johns message board.

http://www.nbebasketball.com/w3/2010-1012/dog-fight-for-dangelo-harrison-on-recruiting-trail/

[MarkCharles]

By the way, wasn't pretty much everyone saying pretty recently that if we could get just one of the many top 100 guys we are in on, it will be a successful class?

Well, we got one, and few seem satisfied. Some of the people on here are like baseball players who expect to bat a thousand.

[Jay-Z]

By the way, wasn't pretty much everyone saying pretty recently that if we could get just one of the many top 100 guys we are in on, it will be a successful class?

Well, we got one, and few seem satisfied. Some of the people on here are like baseball players who expect to bat a thousand.

So as far as recruiting goes, is a .333 average for committments excellent?  It definitely is given the amount of offers a school puts out there.  Elite is probably much less than .333.  How many offers does MU have out there?  20?  And we hope to get 3 top 100 commits.  That's a .150 average in baseball terms.  And that's GREAT in recruiting.

[StillAWarrior]

By the way, wasn't pretty much everyone saying pretty recently that if we could get just one of the many top 100 guys we are in on, it will be a successful class?

Well, we got one, and few seem satisfied. Some of the people on here are like baseball players who expect to bat a thousand.

We're getting spoiled.  Face it, Buzz has upped the ante and we now expect multiple top-100 guys in a class.  I'm very excited about Anderson, but I'm feeling greedy.  I want more.  Thankfully, I'm fairly optimistic that Buzz will deliver.  I'm not checking this board multiple times every day to see who has turned us down.  I'm checking because I'm excited to read who's next.

[NersEllenson]

By the way, wasn't pretty much everyone saying pretty recently that if we could get just one of the many top 100 guys we are in on, it will be a successful class?

Well, we got one, and few seem satisfied. Some of the people on here are like baseball players who expect to bat a thousand.

I think the bigger issue is that some people here didn't like the hire of Buzz Williams, and said as much upon him getting hired - and to see him succeed and prove them wrong is almost worse for them and their ego, than it would be to see MU suck under Buzz (and prove them right).  Beyond this dynamic, you also have a few Tom Crean loyalists who thought losing Crean was the end of MU basketball being relevant again -yet now those fans see not only were they wrong, but MU is poised to go to a level not seen since Al..thus reducing their perceived "greatness" of Tom Crean.

Anyone that is in panic mode or frustrated over the recruiting efforts of this regime, and this particular year pretty much HAS to have an agenda.

[MU_Iceman]

I'm not checking this board multiple times every day to see who has turned us down.  I'm checking because I'm excited to read who's next.

+1

[damuts222]

I think the bigger issue is that some people here didn't like the hire of Buzz Williams, and said as much upon him getting hired - and to see him succeed and prove them wrong is almost worse for them and their ego, than it would be to see MU suck under Buzz (and prove them right).  Beyond this dynamic, you also have a few Tom Crean loyalists who thought losing Crean was the end of MU basketball being relevant again -yet now those fans see not only were they wrong, but MU is poised to go to a level not seen since Al..thus reducing their perceived "greatness" of Tom Crean.

Anyone that is in panic mode or frustrated over the recruiting efforts of this regime, and this particular year pretty much HAS to have an agenda.

So teal is sarcastic, what will ironic posts be colored in??

[Cooby Snacks]

Heres an article from today, with inside sources, who make it sound like this is still anyone's game. And its from a slightly less biased source than a St. Johns message board.

http://www.nbebasketball.com/w3/2010-1012/dog-fight-for-dangelo-harrison-on-recruiting-trail/

About the part in the article where Lavin is trying to set up an in-home today...that is either untrue or Lavin is ignoring the rules.  According to the NCAA recruiting calendar, it's currently an evaluation period, during which a coach "cannot have any in-person conversations with the possible recruit or the parents off the college's campus."

[VwArrior1]

As far as I'm concerned, we already have 2 top prospects committed for this class.  Don't forget Jamil Wilson.

[brewcity77]

We're getting spoiled.  Face it, Buzz has upped the ante and we now expect multiple top-100 guys in a class.  I'm very excited about Anderson, but I'm feeling greedy.  I want more.  Thankfully, I'm fairly optimistic that Buzz will deliver.  I'm not checking this board multiple times every day to see who has turned us down.  I'm checking because I'm excited to read who's next.

+2

A few years back getting one guy in the top 100 would have made for a good class. In 2009, Buzz brought in three top 100 guys in Cadougan, Maymon, and Williams. In addition, he got two Juco All-Americans, and one of those has been our biggest start to date, DJO. Last year, we get Vander Blue and Jamail Jones, another pair of top 100s, and Reggie Smith, who was just outside the top 100. Add in another Juco All-American in Crowder and it's simply an outstanding class. And we added in Jamil Wilson as a transfer, again, a top 100 player. Now for 2011, we've got Anderson already, and the potential of adding another couple top 100 guys. And this is the same school Tom Crean left because he didn't think he could recruit as well here. Buzz has definitely upped the ante when it comes to recruiting. I just hope he wants to be here as much as he seems to, because he's certainly delivering the players.

[Skatastrophy]

Why is this thread still on topic instead of being about Tom Crean?

[77ncaachamps]

Did he see "Boot Camp" and think: "Man, I want none of that"?

[Pakuni]

Why is this thread still on topic instead of being about Tom Crean?

It was just waiting for someone to come along and mention his name.

[Golden Avalanche]

Anyone that is in panic mode or frustrated over the recruiting efforts of this regime, and this particular year pretty much HAS to have an agenda.

I don't believe this to be true at all.

[Boone]

I don't agree with that line of thinking either.

[NersEllenson]

I don't believe this to be true at all.

I don't agree with that line of thinking either.

Please go ahead and elaborate - to be floating propositions that the "tea leaves" are indicating we aren't going to land any "good" players this class..that we just got owned by Villanova stepping into the Faust mix..and us "alledgedly" being dropped..and raising all kinds of "concerns" about this year's recruiting class...when MU has NEVER in its entire basketball history faced a season of recruiting like it is right now with regard to having so much existing talent on board on next year's roster - which kids NO DOUBT take into consideration as far as where they go play college ball:

6 consensus Top 100 kids on the roster
1 kid rated 105 by Rivals (Reggie Smith)
JUCO Player of the Year - Jae Crowder
JUCO 1st Team All American and likely 1st or 2nd team All Big East selection - DJO
Davante Gardner - 1st team All State in Virginia..skilled Big Man.

Then to take matters further - we are finalists for Rodney Hood, D'Angelo Harrison, Mike Shaw, Nick Faust>>>sure we may not land any of these guys..but at this stage, we at least still have a chance.  Taking all of the above into consideration..any reasonable MU fan without an agenda of some variety is going to be extremely thrilled/pleased with the complexion of the roster..regardless of what happens with these remaining 2 scholarships.

[Bob "Big Daddy" Wild]

Ners,

I disagree with your anti-crean thought.  I think a lot of the angst being shown on the boards derives from the fact that we are listed with so many top 100 players and that expectations may have been inflated.  In the past we were happy with 1 top 100.  Now with the stellar classes Buzz has brought in to date, and the success he has had, some perople are hoping/expecting/etc. to see a monster class come home. 

Being listed with this many big time guys, and the fact that in the past under Buzz, we never know who he is going after, I think some are just anxious to see this wrap up, or a MONSTER class that catapults us into the elite, talent wise.

Are there a few anti buzz guys?  Maybe, maybe not.  But the overwhelming amount of anxiety, IMO, is people getting greedy or a bit too attached to the success of this class.  Myself included 

That being said - I had a good feeling about anderson, and lately I have a feeling we land one of the three 6'8" plus guys were are in on the next two weeks.

[MarkCharles]

Ners,

I disagree with your anti-crean thought.  I think a lot of the angst being shown on the boards derives from the fact that we are listed with so many top 100 players and that expectations may have been inflated.  In the past we were happy with 1 top 100.  Now with the stellar classes Buzz has brought in to date, and the success he has had, some perople are hoping/expecting/etc. to see a monster class come home. 

Being listed with this many big time guys, and the fact that in the past under Buzz, we never know who he is going after, I think some are just anxious to see this wrap up, or a MONSTER class that catapults us into the elite, talent wise.

Are there a few anti buzz guys?  Maybe, maybe not.  But the overwhelming amount of anxiety, IMO, is people getting greedy or a bit too attached to the success of this class.  Myself included 

That being said - I had a good feeling about anderson, and lately I have a feeling we land one of the three 6'8" plus guys were are in on the next two weeks.

Very well stated. I agree with Ners that this roster has a lot to be happy about...a lot...but I don't think to be concerned is indicative of an anti-Buzz-pro-Crean agenda. Just pessimism.



Haha Ners, do you have something like this saved somewhere on your computer so you can copy and paste?
I kid, I kid.

6 consensus Top 100 kids on the roster
1 kid rated 105 by Rivals (Reggie Smith)
JUCO Player of the Year - Jae Crowder
JUCO 1st Team All American and likely 1st or 2nd team All Big East selection - DJO
Davante Gardner - 1st team All State in Virginia..skilled Big Man.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Also, I just realized this today, and it's super-obvious but the info blew my mind.

Starting next year MU will have six top 100 recruits on the roster for the first time since (probably) the seventies.*

Our team is collecting a level of talent unseen to Marquette fans in the modern era...  and there are still two more scholarships to hand out for next year.


*I didn't bother checking through the 80's or most of the 90's because I don't have records back that far.  If anyone can clarify the ranking of KO's players that'd be great.

I don't have the data going back to the 1980's or 1990's...the interesting thing is we would have actually had 7 top 100 players on the team in 2008, the year Crean left.  Of course the transfers made it so that never happened (instead we had 5 on the roster twice in the 2000's)....that's why I chuckle sometimes when I hear about how recruiting got "worse" after 2003.  

All 7 made the final 100 on some of the rankings.  6 of the 7 were RSCI final 100...only Lazar wasn't because so many don't rank Prep School guys, but he did make the top 100 for those that did.

Dominic James
Jerel McNeal
Wes Matthews
Lazar Hayward
Nick Williams
Trevor Mbakwe
Tyshawn Taylor

I'm sure someone like BMA or one of the others that follows recruiting very closely might have some of the data from KO in the 1990's or perhaps one of the Raymonds years came close.

[Coleman]

I disagree with your anti-crean thought. 

+1. These conspiracy theories are just silly. To suggest that people here are somehow anti-Buzz or still hanging on to Crean is simply ridiculous. Have you ever heard the phrase, "the most simple explanation is usually the right one"? In all likelihood, people are just anxious, impatient, and have high expectations.

[ChicosBailBonds]

+1. These conspiracy theories are just silly. To suggest that people here are somehow anti-Buzz or still hanging on to Crean is simply ridiculous. Have you ever heard the phrase, "the most simple explanation is usually the right one"? In all likelihood, people are just anxious, impatient, and have high expectations.

+10

Occam's Razor