Two MSU players involved in sexual assault

[tower912]

Suitemate (room on the other side of a common bathroom) heard sounds of sex but no cries of protest.    He-said/she-said with a witness that didn't hear protesting makes it difficult to prove a crime. 

[GGGG]

She wanted to stop. Thats when the assault started, not right at the beginning.  She started to get naked

Hold on...someone "starts to get naked" when they take off a t-shirt even though they have another piece of clothing underneath?  I just took off my socks...did I just start to "get naked???"

[TheRock]

Hold on...someone "starts to get naked" when they take off a t-shirt even though they have another piece of clothing underneath?  I just took off my socks...did I just start to "get naked???"

Come on now, she took off her shirt, a little different than socks.  She met these guys that night and drank with them and then went to their room and started to play strip basketball.

[4everwarriors]

Hold on...someone "starts to get naked" when they take off a t-shirt even though they have another piece of clothing underneath?  I just took off my socks...did I just start to "get naked???"

I'm getting a bad visual here.

[Brewtown Andy]

It doesn't matter, but let me correct one thing I stated as I may have oversimplified this a bit.  I did not mean to imply you charge something that there is no chance to prove.  Rather, I simply meant that you can charge something that is a bit of a stretch and then plead down to something that you can absolutely prove or to a lesser included offense.

You'd have to be an idiot to charge something that's a stretch to be able to prove.  All you're doing is opening the case up to either dismissal or a not guilty verdict.

Now, charging the absolute worst crime or crimes possible that you can prove given the facts? Sure.  But no DA is ever going to over reach just to be able to plead to the crime you actually want to charge.

[GGGG]

Come on now, she took off her shirt, a little different than socks.  She met these guys that night and drank with them and then went to their room and started to play strip basketball.

She took off her t-shirt...and had a tank underneath.  When the MSU players took it to the next level and got completely naked, she tried to leave and couldn't.  (According to her.)

No offense, but when a girl takes off her t-shirt...and has clothes on underneath, that isn't "getting naked," nor is it an invitation for sex.

[reinko]

She took off her t-shirt...and had a tank underneath.  When the MSU players took it to the next level and got completely naked, she tried to leave and couldn't.  (According to her.)

No offense, but when a girl takes off her t-shirt...and has clothes on underneath, that isn't "getting naked," nor is it an invitation for sex.

But what if you had a boat, and the implication was, well you know...

[copious1218]

You'd have to be an idiot to charge something that's a stretch to be able to prove.  All you're doing is opening the case up to either dismissal or a not guilty verdict.

Now, charging the absolute worst crime or crimes possible that you can prove given the facts? Sure.  But no DA is ever going to over reach just to be able to plead to the crime you actually want to charge.

I don't intend to stretch this conversation out any further and you can PM me if you want to continue this but DAs reaching happens all the time. I think we are using different language to describe the same thing. By reaching I simply meant something the DA believes they can prove but they know it is a reach for a favorable verdict. If they have confidence in their abilities, why not?  I'm not implying charging something with an element clearly not met, or something that will result in dismissal.

Apologies for any grammar issues - typing on phone.

[LON]

But what if you had a boat, and the implication was, well you know...

Dude, are you talking about hurting women?