#1 in our hearts, #42 per Hoops Report

[ChicosBailBonds]

http://www.thehoopsreport.com/article.aspx?id=550

[Steve Buscemi]

Crowder is not even on the key reserves... gimme a break

[chapman]

Crowder is not even on the key reserves... gimme a break

Nor is Cadougan, who you would think should be penciled in as the starter at point.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Crowder is not even on the key reserves... gimme a break

Yup, exactly the same reason why preseason polls are ridiculous.  No one does their homework on this stuff, least of all the voters.

[willie warrior]

This is pure bullcrap. Caddy will be a starter and so will Crowder, and they are not even listed as key reserves. Stupid!

[APieperFan3]

"the Golden Eagles now expect to get back to the NCAA tournament, but just getting there isn't good enough this time around."

Best part of the article. Hoping this is the case for MANY years to come.

[Lennys Tap]

Yup, exactly the same reason why preseason polls are ridiculous.  No one does their homework on this stuff, least of all the voters.

Some preseason evaluators (like this no name you referenced) are worthless. (which begs the question-why did you reference them?) Others (Blue Ribbon, Katz, Gottlieb,etc.) can prove worthwhile.

Garbage in ("NO ONE does their homework on this stuff) necessarily leads to garbage out (preseason polls are all ridiculous). Ironic that you would be universal in accusing  every writer, coach, broadcaster, etc with being sloppy with their facts even as you commit the same sin.

[MarkCharles]

This is pure bullcrap. Caddy will be a starter and so will Crowder, and they are not even listed as key reserves. Stupid!

Caddy is a terrible nickname. Lets stop this one before it catches on. I think "Junior Cadougan" is a cool enough name that it doesn't really need a nickname.

[MarkCharles]

What a terribly written article by the way, besides the fact that he clearly doesn't know too much about the team.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Indiana in the Big Dance at #63?  Cue the Crean vs. Al poll...

http://thehoopsreport.com/article.aspx?id=525

[Lennys Tap]

Indiana in the Big Dance at #63?  Cue the Crean vs. Al poll...

http://thehoopsreport.com/article.aspx?id=525

Did the IU fan who commented really say that their new conditioning coach is Tough Cookie?

[nycwarrior]

Yup, he's got 2/5 of the starting line-up wrong.

That said, does anyone think we should start the year in the top 20 given all of our question marks?

We see all of the incoming talent and the apparently revitalized Otule as reasons for optimism but could a neutral observer really be blamed for taking a more cautious approach to rating this year's team?

We return about 8 rebounds per game from a poor rebounding team and, while I hope it's not the case, Otule may have feet like Mike Kinsella.

I'm happy for us to lurk low in pre-season expectations and surprise people when all of that young talent starts to find its way.

[Henry Sugar]

http://twitter.com/CrackedSidewlks/status/22862240986

[MerrittsMustache]

Was that article written by a 16-year-old for his high school paper? Aside from the player omissions, the writing was an embarassingly bad. What a pointless piece of "journalism." Thanks for sharing.

[chapman]

Yup, he's got 2/5 of the starting line-up wrong.

That said, does anyone think we should start the year in the top 20 given all of our question marks?

We see all of the incoming talent and the apparently revitalized Otule as reasons for optimism but could a neutral observer really be blamed for taking a more cautious approach to rating this year's team?

We return about 8 rebounds per game from a poor rebounding team and, while I hope it's not the case, Otule may have feet like Mike Kinsella.

I'm happy for us to lurk low in pre-season expectations and surprise people when all of that young talent starts to find its way.

I've not no beef with the ranking he gave us.  If he gives us #42 with a solid, well-researched analysis that doesn't fail to mention two favorites to start  I've got no complaints.   Looking at the comments at the bottom of the IU article it appears that they were not well researched either.  

[Canadian Dimes]

Indiana in the Big Dance at #63?  Cue the Crean vs. Al poll...

http://thehoopsreport.com/article.aspx?id=525

The 63rd best team does not make the big dance.  Cut-off is usually around 45.

[mugrad99]

http://www.thehoopsreport.com/article.aspx?id=550

Why is it when it is Marquette it is #1 in our hearts....but when it isabout Buzz, it is #1 in "your" hearts?

[warthog-driver]

Indiana in the Big Dance at #63?  Cue the Crean vs. Al poll...

http://thehoopsreport.com/article.aspx?id=525

As a result, Tom Crean inherited a depleted team without much clout in the recruiting sphere, and the team has experienced limited success during Crean's tenure so far.

I would submit that IU has experienced NO success during Crean's tenure. May it continue.

[Lennys Tap]

Why is it when it is Marquette it is #1 in our hearts....but when it isabout Buzz, it is #1 in "your" hearts?

In the business this is known as a "Fruedian slip". Buzz would call this an example of Chicos "revealing himself".

[Canadian Dimes]

In the business this is known as a "Fruedian slip". Buzz would call this an example of Chicos "revealing himself".

+1 trillion....and he does it frequently

[willie warrior]

Caddy is a terrible nickname. Lets stop this one before it catches on. I think "Junior Cadougan" is a cool enough name that it doesn't really need a nickname.

Caddy is easier to type. Kind of like DJO.

[Lighthouse 84]

Just don't start calling him Doogie......

Easier to type?  Isn't Jr. easiest to type?

[Lennys Tap]

As a result, Tom Crean inherited a depleted team without much clout in the recruiting sphere, and the team has experienced limited success during Crean's tenure so far.

I would submit that IU has experienced NO success during Crean's tenure. May it continue.

16-46 overall, 5-31 in conference, 0-2 in big 10 post season play. That's no success any way you slice it. They did lead the nation in % of victories that resulted in storming the court, though most would consider that another negative.

[MerrittsMustache]

16-46 overall, 5-31 in conference, 0-2 in big 10 post season play. That's no success any way you slice it. They did lead the nation in % of victories that resulted in storming the court, though most would consider that another negative.

Hoosier fans should never storm the court. I mean, it's Indiana. It's Indiana.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Why is it when it is Marquette it is #1 in our hearts....but when it isabout Buzz, it is #1 in "your" hearts?

Because Buzz isn't number one in my heart, no coach or player ever is.  The school \ program is always above the players and the coaches because they come and go. 

No freudian slip Lenny and Robert (Canadian Dimes), absolutely 100% intentional.   I'd say the same thing if Dean Smith was our coach.  Program \ School #1, not any individual(s)

[Daniel]

I do not mind a #42 preseason - if we surprise and play well, it's not far from the Top 25. 

I don;t remember, did we ever crack the Top 25 last year?  I remember we were very clsoe a few times. . .

[MerrittsMustache]

Because Buzz isn't number one in my heart, no coach or player ever is.  The school \ program is always above the players and the coaches because they come and go. 

No freudian slip Lenny and Robert (Canadian Dimes), absolutely 100% intentional.   I'd say the same thing if Dean Smith was our coach.  Program \ School #1, not any individual(s)

After 8000+ posts you'd think that Chicos would understand that teal means sarcasm.

Lighten up, big guy.

[Canadian Dimes]

Im still wondering about the recession comment   

[ChicosBailBonds]

After 8000+ posts you'd think that Chicos would understand that teal means sarcasm.

Lighten up, big guy.

I understand the teal concept completely....apparently Robert and Lenny don't.  My response was more for those than Indee, but I figured I'd answer all 3 with one post.  Trying to be more efficient these days.   

[MarkCharles]

I do not mind a #42 preseason - if we surprise and play well, it's not far from the Top 25. 

I don;t remember, did we ever crack the Top 25 last year?  I remember we were very clsoe a few times. . .

I'm pretty sure we never did. I know we got votes a few times, but I don't think we ever cracked it.

[Lennys Tap]

Because Buzz isn't number one in my heart, no coach or player ever is.  The school \ program is always above the players and the coaches because they come and go. 

No freudian slip Lenny and Robert (Canadian Dimes), absolutely 100% intentional.   I'd say the same thing if Dean Smith was our coach.  Program \ School #1, not any individual(s)

False argument. This isn't an either/or situation. Saying that Buzz (or Al or Dean or Dwade or MJ) is #1 in your heart doesn't suggest that one elevates them to an equal or higher status than the school/program, only to the status of favorite coach/player/etc. Most people's hearts are large enough to accomodate multiple #1s (God, wife, kids, teams (in different sports), players, coaches, books, movies, candy bars, ice cream flavors, etc, etc, etc). Lighten up.

[MarkCharles]

False argument. This isn't an either/or situation. Saying that Buzz (or Al or Dean or Dwade or MJ) is #1 in your heart doesn't suggest that one elevates them to an equal or higher status than the school/program, only to the status of favorite coach/player/etc. Most people's hearts are large enough to accomodate multiple #1s (God, wife, kids, teams (in different sports), players, coaches, books, movies, candy bars, ice cream flavors, etc, etc, etc). Lighten up.

Exactly. Well put. Lennys sounds like a lawyer here (I mean that in a good way)

[ChicosBailBonds]

False argument. This isn't an either/or situation. Saying that Buzz (or Al or Dean or Dwade or MJ) is #1 in your heart doesn't suggest that one elevates them to an equal or higher status than the school/program, only to the status of favorite coach/player/etc. Most people's hearts are large enough to accomodate multiple #1s (God, wife, kids, teams (in different sports), players, coaches, books, movies, candy bars, ice cream flavors, etc, etc, etc). Lighten up.

That's fine if you view it that way, you view it differently then I do.  No player and certainly no coach is above it all. I do find it hilarious that you say most people have hearts large enough to accomodate it all, when these very people you talk about (including yourself) have crapped on so many of the MU coaches upon their departure or even prior to departure.  Ironic as hell. 

The reality is, I do like all of our coaches we've had, but I put them a step below the bigger umbrella of MU and MU hoops.  I don't put them on an equal footing...you do, that's fine.  We're all different.  Lighten up.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Guys, can't you pick fights over PM?

[Lennys Tap]

Exactly. Well put. Lennys sounds like a lawyer here (I mean that in a good way)

I'm not, though I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

[wojosdojo]

I do not mind a #42 preseason - if we surprise and play well, it's not far from the Top 25. 

I don;t remember, did we ever crack the Top 25 last year?  I remember we were very clsoe a few times. . .

don't really mind this either. its not like its the first time we've had to prove someone wrong. last year we started in the upper 80s. an early start will not be hard to crack the top 25.

last year we hit 27 for a week

[Lennys Tap]

That's fine if you view it that way, you view it differently then I do.  No player and certainly no coach is above it all. I do find it hilarious that you say most people have hearts large enough to accomodate it all, when these very people you talk about (including yourself) have crapped on so many of the MU coaches upon their departure or even prior to departure.  Ironic as hell. 

The reality is, I do like all of our coaches we've had, but I put them a step below the bigger umbrella of MU and MU hoops.  I don't put them on an equal footing...you do, that's fine.  We're all different.  Lighten up.

Amigo, you are still missing the point. Having a player or coach who is "#1 in your heart" does not mean one places them on equal footing with one's favorite team/program. Nor does it mean you place them "above it all". It means they are your favorite player or coach. Nothing more, nothing less.

In addition, their is absolutely no irony in the fact that I'm not fond of every coach in my favorite program's history. Pretty normal (universal?) in any fanbase.

Now, saying you like all of our coaches after the way you've absolutely trashed some of them (most notably KO) - that's more like it.

[Aughnanure]

Amigo, you are still missing the point. Having a player or coach who is "#1 in your heart" does not mean one places them on equal footing with one's favorite team/program. Nor does it mean you place them "above it all". It means they are your favorite player or coach. Nothing more, nothing less.

In addition, their is absolutely no irony in the fact that I'm not fond of every coach in my favorite program's history. Pretty normal (universal?) in any fanbase.

Now, saying you like all of our coaches after the way you've absolutely trashed some of them (most notably KO) - that's more like it.

Wow....another thread where it just becomes an off-topic argument between Chicos and some other regular.

[rocky_warrior]

Wow....another thread where it just becomes an off-topic argument between Chicos and some other regular.

Partially cleaned - but I'm on my cell so hard to get everything.  Folks, please try to self moderate!

[ChicosBailBonds]

Amigo, you are still missing the point. Having a player or coach who is "#1 in your heart" does not mean one places them on equal footing with one's favorite team/program. Nor does it mean you place them "above it all". It means they are your favorite player or coach. Nothing more, nothing less.

In addition, their is absolutely no irony in the fact that I'm not fond of every coach in my favorite program's history. Pretty normal (universal?) in any fanbase.

Now, saying you like all of our coaches after the way you've absolutely trashed some of them (most notably KO) - that's more like it.

I didn't trash KO, I stated the truth in how he acted....he trashed himself with his own actions.  How is telling the truth trashing someone?  That's a new one. 

You miss the point in the irony....see heart and size of...the argument you were making.  I can't help you get there, you'll have to do it all by yourself. 

There are some people that I fear pop little blue pills for our coach because they are in such an orgasmic stage at times.  You'll forgive me if I don't go that far.

[NersEllenson]

There are some people that I fear pop little blue pills for our coach because they are in such an orgasmic stage at times.  You'll forgive me if I don't go that far.

You sure you haven't gone that far?  Seems you are still sporting wood 3 years after Tan Tommy's departure - so what is wrong with people such as myself who are all wood over Buzz?  At least he is our present day coach, and thus far has done a great job.

[Lennys Tap]

I didn't trash KO, I stated the truth in how he acted....he trashed himself with his own actions.  How is telling the truth trashing someone?  That's a new one. 

You miss the point in the irony....see heart and size of...the argument you were making.  I can't help you get there, you'll have to do it all by yourself. 

There are some people that I fear pop little blue pills for our coach because they are in such an orgasmic stage at times.  You'll forgive me if I don't go that far.

When you trash KO's character you're just reciting facts.  When people criticize Crean's character by reciting the facts we are "haters". Sounds fair.