J.P. Tokoto Is no longer a 5 star recruit

[GOMU85]

J.P. Tokoto drops all the way to #40 in the latest Rivals top 150 rankings in the class of 2012.

Take a look

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/rankings/rank-2509;_ylt=Al0uQUPZN6VacFJMlg6dCMnevbYF

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Bo cooled on him.
 

[ChicosBailBonds]

Bo cooled on him.
 

Probably more like Bo got involved and his stock tumbled as a result.   

[mu-rara]

J.P. Tokoto drops all the way to #40 in the latest Rivals top 150 rankings in the class of 2012.

Take a look

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/rankings/rank-2509;_ylt=Al0uQUPZN6VacFJMlg6dCMnevbYF

Did he have a bad summer, or did others rise above?

[GOMU85]

Did he have a bad summer, or did others rise above?

He's had a pretty bad summer from what I'm hearing

[JWags85]

#19 is names Perry Ellis?  Really?  Pretty funny, somebody liked a certain brand methinks.

Also, 2 guys in the top 30 named Shaquille?  Thats not common.

[OhioGoldenEagle]

Exactly why we shouldn't get crazy excited over freshman in high school.  This seems to happen in just about every class in the Milwaukee/Madison area.  I'm blanking on the guy's name, but the guy at one of the Milwaukee Lutheran schools that graduated in the last year or so.  I remember him being a top 10 nationally ranked guy when he was a freshman and Crean/the boards were salivating over him.  I wouldn't be surprised if Tokoto continues to drop over the next year.

[jmayer1]

Exactly why we shouldn't get crazy excited over freshman in high school.  This seems to happen in just about every class in the Milwaukee/Madison area.  I'm blanking on the guy's name, but the guy at one of the Milwaukee Lutheran schools that graduated in the last year or so.  I remember him being a top 10 nationally ranked guy when he was a freshman and Crean/the boards were salivating over him.  I wouldn't be surprised if Tokoto continues to drop over the next year.

I think you're talking about Flavien Davis.

[martyconlonontherun]

I think you're talking about Flavien Davis.

His decline was easier to predict because I feel it was a height issue. Physically I think JP has it. Now just needs to get more refined.

[mugrad99]

#15's name sounds fake

[Pakuni]

Exactly why we shouldn't get crazy excited over freshman in high school.  This seems to happen in just about every class in the Milwaukee/Madison area.  I'm blanking on the guy's name, but the guy at one of the Milwaukee Lutheran schools that graduated in the last year or so.  I remember him being a top 10 nationally ranked guy when he was a freshman and Crean/the boards were salivating over him.  I wouldn't be surprised if Tokoto continues to drop over the next year.

If I'm not mistaken, both Scott Christopherson and Evan Anderson were top 25ish players as sophomores.

[bma725]

Welcome to the wonderful world of recruiting rankings....at least as it pertains to Wisconsin kids.

Korie Lucious was a Top 10 kid as a freshman, and ended up barely inside the Top 100.
Jamil Wilson was a Top 10 kid as a freshman/sophomore and dropped to the bottom half of the Top 100.
Johnny Lacy, Scott Christopherson and Flavian Davis were Top 30 or higher as sophomores and out of the rankings completely as seniors.
At various points over their freshman/sophomore years, Darrell Longstreet, Darnell Harris and Cinmeon bowers were all Top 50 if not higher.  Now not a single one is a Top 100 player.

[mu-rara]

I think you're talking about Flavien Davis.

Or Chim Kadima  (sp?)

[tower912]

Maybe Roy and K will cool on him since he has dropped a star and he will settle for the only school in Wisconsin that develops athletic wings for the NBA.   And, referencing BMA725, in a related development, Wisconsin kids going to prep schools for basketball.   

[OhioGoldenEagle]

Or Chim Kadima  (sp?)

No, Flavien Davis was the guy I was thinking of.  He plummeted fast....which is probably why I forgot his name so easily.

[Mobot]

Junior Lomomba didn't make the top 150.  I though he had some high majors looking at him early.  Has his stock dropped as well?

[NYWarrior]

Cameron Ridley goes to the same high school that Otule graduated from

[wadefan#1]

Did he have a bad summer, or did others rise above?

I've been telling ya that this guy isn't as good as they say.

[NYWarrior]

I've been telling ya that this guy isn't as good as they say.

Few are

[texaswarrior74]

His stock dropped because he spent most of the summer playing in the 16 and under division and not playing "up" as many "scouts" wanted him to. He had some early summer trouble with his outside shot and especially with his three pointer. He spent a lot of time working on his outside game and it came around late in the summer. His inside game has always been solid and he scores at will.

That said, neither Roy nor K have lost interest, in fact Roy didn't offer until June 15th of this year.

The kid is young and is going to be a baller.....just goes to show how fickle the rankings for rising juniors are...give him time to mature and grow, he'll be a 5 star before he heads off for college.

[NersEllenson]

His stock dropped because he spent most of the summer playing in the 16 and under division and not playing "up" as many "scouts" wanted him to. He had some early summer trouble with his outside shot and especially with his three pointer. He spent a lot of time working on his outside game and it came around late in the summer. His inside game has always been solid and he scores at will.

That said, neither Roy nor K have lost interest, in fact Roy didn't offer until June 15th of this year.

The kid is young and is going to be a baller.....just goes to show how fickle the rankings for rising juniors are...give him time to mature and grow, he'll be a 5 star before he heads off for college.

Agree 100% - Tokoto is one of the smoothest looking players I've seen at the sophomore level of HS..ever.  He makes things look effortless.

[brewcity77]

#19 is names Perry Ellis?  Really?  Pretty funny, somebody liked a certain brand methinks.

Also, 2 guys in the top 30 named Shaquille?  Thats not common.

I'd disagree with that. Consider when they would have been born. These are 16-17 year old kids, probably born in the 1993-95 range. At that time, Shaq was the hottest rookie to hit the NBA in years. He won the rookie of the year award in 1993, released his Shaq Diesel rap album that went platinum, rapped as a guest artist on a Michael Jackson album, and starred in the Hollywood movie Blue Chips. Think of how quickly Shaq took to dominating media and the idea of kids being named after him really isn't a surprise whatsoever. Five years ago, it would have been odd, but my guess is for the next 5-7 years, it will be a pretty common name when it comes to recruiting.

[4everwarriors]

I don't give a chit what # of stars are attached to his name. The cat can flat out play and from what I've seen, Buzz and staff would cream themselves if he came to MU.

[HouWarrior]

No, Flavien Davis was the guy I was thinking of.  He plummeted fast....which is probably why I forgot his name so easily.

Flavien Davis was at Wisconsin Lutheran HS(Vikings), and Crean offered him as a frosh,
and yes he dropped a bunch --never sprouted as expected, and hurt during a summer league session--when coaches are watching/sorting.
 Kadima was at Milwaukee Lutheran HS(Red Knights) and he de -committed from Iowa State

---both now are reported to have accepted to Loyola Chicago

[Stretchdeltsig]

I think J.P. Tokoto is as good as anyone.  What I am curious about is how a 6'6" sophomore can end up being a 6'5" Junior.  You would expect him to grow to be a 6'9" or more senior.  I hope he goes to MU.  He can become all Big East and an NBA player if he plays for Marquette.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

I'd disagree with that. Consider when they would have been born. These are 16-17 year old kids, probably born in the 1993-95 range. At that time, Shaq was the hottest rookie to hit the NBA in years. He won the rookie of the year award in 1993, released his Shaq Diesel rap album that went platinum, rapped as a guest artist on a Michael Jackson album, and starred in the Hollywood movie Blue Chips. Think of how quickly Shaq took to dominating media and the idea of kids being named after him really isn't a surprise whatsoever. Five years ago, it would have been odd, but my guess is for the next 5-7 years, it will be a pretty common name when it comes to recruiting.

Dude...do you understand that everybody on this board knows who Shaquille O'Neal is, how long he's been in the league and everything else that goes along with it? It's NEVER, EVER going to be a "common" name.

The point is, what dumbass (other than O'Neal's mother) would name their child "Shaquille." It's almost as bad as having a perfectly nice name like Dominic and changing the pronounciation so it sounded more like a former NBA star.

[Pakuni]

Dude...do you understand that everybody on this board knows who Shaquille O'Neal is, how long he's been in the league and everything else that goes along with it? It's NEVER, EVER going to be a "common" name.

The point is, what dumbass (other than O'Neal's mother) would name their child "Shaquille." It's almost as bad as having a perfectly nice name like Dominic and changing the pronounciation so it sounded more like a former NBA star.

Alas, it's not like the good old days when we gave our sons proper names like Orville, Horace, Grover, Clarence and Elmer.

Gotta go ... need to yell at those kids walking across my lawn.

[willie warrior]

Cameron Ridley goes to the same high school that Otule graduated from

And we are not listed as a scvhool of interest. We are listed on very few.

[Jay Bee]

And we are not listed as a scvhool of interest. We are listed on very few.

Rest assured Cameron Ridley has mentioned us before. 

[boyonthedock]

I assume, after 20 years of all world play, some parents may name their kid after the immensely likable star.

[Marquette84]

Jamil Wilson was a Top 10 kid as a freshman/sophomore and dropped to the bottom half of the Top 100.

Jamil Wilson ended up as the #40 RCSI ranked player.  Individual services had him as high as #23 and as low as #94.

[brewcity77]

Dude...do you understand that everybody on this board knows who Shaquille O'Neal is, how long he's been in the league and everything else that goes along with it? It's NEVER, EVER going to be a "common" name.

The point is, what dumbass (other than O'Neal's mother) would name their child "Shaquille." It's almost as bad as having a perfectly nice name like Dominic and changing the pronounciation so it sounded more like a former NBA star.

I think that sounds like a pretty clueless response. I said it would be a common name in terms of recruiting. As in I wouldn't be surprised to see between 1-3 Shaquilles a year in recruiting for the next 3-4 years and continuing to show up sporadically for the next 5-7 years after that. Because most of these kids will come from lower income areas where they will be more likely to name their kids after a basketball star in hopes they will emulate them.

If you think that names don't become surprisingly common, consider how many kids were named Anakin 12 years ago, and how bizarrely common that name became after The Phantom Menace came out. I knew three different groups of young parents that named their sons Anakin because of the Star Wars movie. I'm not saying either of these names would become the next John or Michael, but pop culture influences naming habits.

Names like Jacob and Edward were already popular, but are increasing in popularity due to Twilight, as is Isabella for girls, previously a name that was all but gone by the wayside. Hell, Sookie is one of the fastest rising names for girls due to True Blood. People name their kids after famous people and characters. Seeing two Shaquilles really isn't much of a surprise. Think of Shaq's rise to fame, and consider the popularity of the name:

Shaquille baby name popularity for boys

1991: 719
1992: 426
1993: 180
1994: 235
1995: 457
1996: 661

A name not ranked in the top 1000 before 1991, peaking at 180 when this current crop of kids were born. I highly doubt these will be the last Shaquilles we ever hear of.

[chapman]

I'd disagree with that. Consider when they would have been born. These are 16-17 year old kids, probably born in the 1993-95 range. At that time, Shaq was the hottest rookie to hit the NBA in years. He won the rookie of the year award in 1993, released his Shaq Diesel rap album that went platinum, rapped as a guest artist on a Michael Jackson album, and starred in the Hollywood movie Blue Chips. Think of how quickly Shaq took to dominating media and the idea of kids being named after him really isn't a surprise whatsoever. Five years ago, it would have been odd, but my guess is for the next 5-7 years, it will be a pretty common name when it comes to recruiting.

Don't forget Blue Chips.  He was snubbed from the Oscar!

Hell, Sookie is one of the fastest rising names for girls due to True Blood.

I thought it was due to Gilmore Girls.  Probably cause if I had to watch one or the other, I'd rather watch Gilmore Girls than True Blood.

[LON]

Naming your kid Jacob or Edward because of Twilight is proof that the terrorists are winning (or that maybe they should win).

[dw3dw3dw3]

Naming your kid Jacob or Edward because of Twilight is proof that the terrorists are winning (or that maybe they should win).

Wow... Are you always so positive?

[Skatastrophy]

Wow... Are you always so positive?

Wow... are you defending sparkly vampires?

[dw3dw3dw3]

Wow... are you defending sparkly vampires?

If you are taking pop-culture vampire names vs terrorists killing innocent people, I think Ill side with team jacob or edward.

[mu-rara]

Naming your kid Jacob or Edward because of Twilight is proof that the terrorists are winning (or that maybe they should win).


Wow... Are you always so positive?

Wow... Do we really need teal for this post?  Hoping it was sarcastic.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Dude...do you understand that everybody on this board knows who Shaquille O'Neal is, how long he's been in the league and everything else that goes along with it? It's NEVER, EVER going to be a "common" name.

The point is, what dumbass (other than O'Neal's mother) would name their child "Shaquille." It's almost as bad as having a perfectly nice name like Dominic and changing the pronounciation so it sounded more like a former NBA star.

Congrats!

You win for crusty, old, white guy post of the month!

Your prize (Matlock Season 2 on VHS) is in the mail.

Enjoy Andy Griffin and all of his folksy goodness.

DISCLAIMER: There are no characters named Shaquille in Matlock, but there is a character named Darrell in episode 3. It's pronounced Da'Rel, so you should probably skip that one. 

[mu-rara]

Congrats!

You win for crusty, old, white guy post of the month!

Your prize (Matlock Season 2 on VHS) is in the mail.

Enjoy Andy Griffin and all of his folksy goodness.

DISCLAIMER: There are no characters named Shaquille in Matlock, but there is a character named Darrell in episode 3. It's pronounced Da'Rel, so you should probably skip that one. 

'02 will name his 1st child Shaquille.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

'02 will name his 1st child Shaquille.

Don't hate.

I'll call her Shaq Fu!

[TheRock]

this has to be the furthest off topic any thread has ever gone on an message board ever, in the history of message boards

from Tokoto no longer being a 5 star recruit to whether you would rather be a terrorist or name your kids after Twilight

good stuff

[LON]

this has to be the furthest off topic any thread has ever gone on an message board ever, in the history of message boards

from Tokoto no longer being a 5 star recruit to whether you would rather be a terrorist or name your kids after Twilight

good stuff

It was already derailed - just figured I'd make a joke.  If I offended anyone...lighten the F up.

[TheRock]

It was already derailed - just figured I'd make a joke.  If I offended anyone...lighten the F up.

not offended, good joke, i was just pointing out how far off topic this thread has gotten, I've seen others get off topic, but never this far off topic

[PGsHeroes32]

i hope he keeps falling. Then maybe the big boys will back off and leave him all to MU.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Will this thread help recruiting?

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Knew a kid in HS that named his kid Talon b/c that was the car the kid was conceived in.  Never underestimate the power of stupid people.

[Lennys Tap]

Knew a kid in HS that named his kid Talon b/c that was the car the kid was conceived in.  Never underestimate the power of stupid people.

Brings to mind the old joke with the famous punchline: "Why do you ask, Two Dogs F****ing?"

[wyzgy]

he's probably falling because he doesn't have even one cell phone and therefore doesn't tweet, have a big chain bling thingy around his neck, doesn't drive an escalade, and isn't fluent in ebonics...yet

[MarkCharles]

he's probably falling because he doesn't have even one cell phone and therefore doesn't tweet, have a big chain bling thingy around his neck, doesn't drive an escalade, and isn't fluent in ebonics...yet

Um, what? especially the ebonics part....

I'm pretty sure the talent evaluators for sources like Scouts, Inc. and Rivals are mostly middle-aged white men. Not sure why they would prefer a guy to tweet, speak ebonics, or wear a "bling thingy".

[Ari Gold]

he's probably falling because he doesn't have even one cell phone and therefore doesn't tweet, have a big chain bling thingy around his neck, doesn't drive an escalade, and isn't fluent in ebonics...yet

Its true, Menomonee Falls isn't very ghetto or "street"

[romey]

Knew a kid in HS that named his kid Talon b/c that was the car the kid was conceived in.  Never underestimate the power of stupid people.

I work with a woman named Maxima - and no I have never asked her.