collapse

* '23-'24 SOTG Tally


2023-24 Season SoG Tally
Kolek11
Ighodaro6
Jones, K.6
Mitchell2
Jones, S.1
Joplin1

'22-23
'21-22 * '20-21 * '19-20
'18-19 * '17-18 * '16-17
'15-16 * '14-15 * '13-14
'12-13 * '11-12 * '10-11

* Big East Standings

* Recent Posts

Recruiting as of 6/15/24 by Jockey
[Today at 06:14:18 PM]


NBA green room by MuMark
[Today at 06:03:23 PM]


President Lovell Passes Away by Skatastrophy
[Today at 09:14:49 AM]


Media Rights Update by Shooter McGavin
[Today at 07:12:21 AM]


Marquette NBA Thread by mileskishnish72
[Today at 04:49:35 AM]


2024 Transfer Portal by Shooter McGavin
[June 14, 2024, 11:05:04 PM]


Maximilian Langenfeld by mug644
[June 14, 2024, 11:02:51 PM]

Please Register - It's FREE!

The absolute only thing required for this FREE registration is a valid e-mail address.  We keep all your information confidential and will NEVER give or sell it to anyone else.
Login to get rid of this box (and ads) , or register NOW!

* Next up: The long cold summer

Marquette
Marquette

Open Practice

Date/Time: Oct 11, 2024 ???
TV: NA
Schedule for 2023-24
27-10

Author Topic: Gardner  (Read 14697 times)

MerrittsMustache

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 4676
Re: Gardner
« Reply #25 on: July 14, 2010, 10:42:19 AM »
Gardner has a better chance of not being with the team next year then having R Jax's career.

You were the one who compared him to Jackson in the first place.

Mobot

  • Team Captain
  • ****
  • Posts: 313
Re: Gardner
« Reply #26 on: July 14, 2010, 10:53:21 AM »
Game is similar but definitely not as good as RJax


MerrittsMustache

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 4676
Re: Gardner
« Reply #27 on: July 14, 2010, 11:04:17 AM »
He's not close to Dejuan Blair besides the girth factor.   No explosion whatsoever.   Robert Jackson-like game.  Good touch around rim but I honestly don't see his style fitting in with the length and quickness on our roster.


bilsu

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 8832
Re: Gardner
« Reply #28 on: July 14, 2010, 11:17:30 AM »
This thread is a good way to make a player feel like he is not wanted. I really do not understand the need to degrade a player before official practice even begins. Seems to me there were some people posting on this board after midnight madness that Butler was a wasted scholarship. The fact is we do not know how good a new player will be this year or in the future. Generally, it is going to take a new player at least a year to develope.

LON

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 1079
Re: Gardner
« Reply #29 on: July 14, 2010, 11:39:42 AM »
This thread is a good way to make a player feel like he is not wanted. I really do not understand the need to degrade a player before official practice even begins. Seems to me there were some people posting on this board after midnight madness that Butler was a wasted scholarship. The fact is we do not know how good a new player will be this year or in the future. Generally, it is going to take a new player at least a year to develope.

+1

I mean, wow, just wow.  Crapping all over him after watching a Pro-Am game = poor form

BrewCity83

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 3859
Re: Gardner
« Reply #30 on: July 14, 2010, 11:53:53 AM »
We should wait at least 3-5 years before we can judge him.
The shaka sign, sometimes known as "hang loose", is a gesture of friendly intent often associated with Hawaii and surf culture.

Blackhat

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 3652
Re: Gardner
« Reply #31 on: July 14, 2010, 12:12:05 PM »
If Davante is reading this:

Welcome to the big leagues.

Heck if Murf made Diener one of the best MU pg's with his criticism then Gardner will have a helluva career.
« Last Edit: July 14, 2010, 12:14:40 PM by Stone Cold »

Nukem2

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 5009
Re: Gardner
« Reply #32 on: July 14, 2010, 12:38:33 PM »
+1

I mean, wow, just wow.  Crapping all over him after watching a Pro-Am game = poor form
I don't think most here are crapping on Ox.  Just noting that he has work to do in the conditioning area.  Valid observation.

GGGG

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 25207
Re: Gardner
« Reply #33 on: July 14, 2010, 12:53:09 PM »
+1

I mean, wow, just wow.  Crapping all over him after watching a Pro-Am game = poor form


People aren't "crapping all over him."  No one is saying he was a waste of a scholarship or anything like that.

They are pointing out positives and negatives to his game.  No biggie.

mu-rara

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 1258
Re: Gardner
« Reply #34 on: July 14, 2010, 12:58:43 PM »
On the one hand, criticizing a guys game after watching him in a glorified pick up game (no criticism of the ProAm intended) is ridiculous.  Wait until after a month of practice, at least.  Remember these are freshmen.  They will (or maybe won't) develop.

On the other making legitimate observations, such as the need for a conditioning program, is just good observation.  I would hope that this board isn't the first time they heard some of this.  If it is, Buzz and staff are not being real with the recruits.  I seriously doubt that is the case.

bilsu

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 8832
Re: Gardner
« Reply #35 on: July 14, 2010, 03:23:56 PM »
Gardner has a better chance of not being with the team next year then having R Jax's career.
This was definately crapping on him and the post that really got me mad.

Blackhat

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 3652
Re: Gardner
« Reply #36 on: July 14, 2010, 03:43:46 PM »
 I should have put it nicer and said from his lack of intensity and struggles in the pick up game he may be the last guy off the bench for MU.      

And we know the last guy off the bench type player hasn't lasted long in Buzz's program.  

Hopefully he picks it up this weekend.

GGGG

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 25207
Re: Gardner
« Reply #37 on: July 14, 2010, 03:53:53 PM »
This was definately crapping on him and the post that really got me mad.

OK...I will grant you that.

Golden Avalanche

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 3164
Re: Gardner
« Reply #38 on: July 14, 2010, 04:46:55 PM »
I should have put it nicer and said from his lack of intensity and struggles in the pick up game he may be the last guy off the bench for MU.      

And we know the last guy off the bench type player hasn't lasted long in Buzz's program.  

Hopefully he picks it up this weekend.

Just to be clear, your opinion is based on all of one game?

Blackhat

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 3652
Re: Gardner
« Reply #39 on: July 14, 2010, 05:14:20 PM »
Technically two games...but yeah.   

Nice touch around the hoop but he can't keep up at his weight and he doesn't jump. 

AZWarrior

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 1703
Re: Gardner
« Reply #40 on: July 14, 2010, 05:52:07 PM »
Technically two games...but yeah.   

Nice touch around the hoop but he can't keep up at his weight and he doesn't jump. 

Stone - I think you are out of line here.  Its unfair to make statements like this, especially considering he hasn't attended even one MU practice.
All this talk of rights.  So little talk of responsibilities.

NersEllenson

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 6735
Re: Gardner
« Reply #41 on: July 14, 2010, 06:01:06 PM »
Technically two games...but yeah.   

Nice touch around the hoop but he can't keep up at his weight and he doesn't jump. 

Generally like your thought process Stone - but I too am not on board with your opinions on Gardner...it is early, and let's keep in mind he was 1st Team All-State in Virginia, and Virginia turns out some very good hoops talent..and if I'm not mistaken, Davante beat out several 4 star recruits in VA to be named All-State.
"I'm not sure Cadougan would fix the problems on this team. I'm not even convinced he would be better for this team than DeWil is."

BrewCity77, December 8, 2013

tower912

  • Registered User
  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 23925
Re: Gardner
« Reply #42 on: July 14, 2010, 07:32:10 PM »
It's July.   He will look better in 3 months for Midnight madness.     
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Dawson Rental

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 10456
  • I prefer a team that's eligible, not paid for
Re: Gardner
« Reply #43 on: July 17, 2010, 03:40:10 PM »
Game is similar but definitely not as good as RJax. 

He's a frosh so we'll see if he can get his conditioning in order.

His style doesn't fit with a Buzz roster of fast long guys than maybe R Jax did in a Crean roster with Novak, Diener, Todd Townsend, etc. 

Oh, I definitely agree.  Now we just have to figure how to get the word out to Buzz.  Anybody have Buzz's address?
You actually have a degree from Marquette?

Quote from: muguru
No...and after reading many many psosts from people on this board that do...I have to say I'm MUCH better off, if this is the type of "intelligence" a degree from MU gets you. It sure is on full display I will say that.

DJO's Pump Fake

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 574
Re: Gardner
« Reply #44 on: July 17, 2010, 04:27:43 PM »
Gardner had a heck of a time trying to run up anddown the court today. Needs a lot of conditioning work before he is ready to contribute.

HoopsMalone

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 1821
Re: Gardner
« Reply #45 on: July 17, 2010, 04:46:10 PM »
Gardner is a freshman big.  We can hope for some production out of him, but it doesn't happen often.  He will be great to have in practice, but anything we get out of Gardner in the game is icing on top.  It is unfair to give him expectations any higher than that.  He will be a nice piece in a 2 years.

It's time for Otule to step up.  Fulce also needs to consistently produce like he did at the end of last season.  Fulce and Otule are huge x-factors this year, not Gardner.

Dawson Rental

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 10456
  • I prefer a team that's eligible, not paid for
Re: Gardner
« Reply #46 on: July 17, 2010, 04:59:30 PM »
Technically two games...but yeah.  

Nice touch around the hoop but he can't keep up at his weight and he doesn't jump.  

I have very high expectations for Gardner's MU career, yet I have to say that that one sentence of yours is just about a perfect statement of where he is at this point.

Still, I see him making regular improvements in conditioning now that he's away from home.  I can see him contributing this year, only in short spurts.

I predict that a major point of discussion at this point next year will be; "How much better will Gardener be as a sophomore?"

A final point - How much better will Otule be on defense from practicing against Gardner and his nice touch around the hoop?
« Last Edit: July 17, 2010, 05:04:54 PM by LittleMurs »
You actually have a degree from Marquette?

Quote from: muguru
No...and after reading many many psosts from people on this board that do...I have to say I'm MUCH better off, if this is the type of "intelligence" a degree from MU gets you. It sure is on full display I will say that.

bamamarquettefan

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 1299
  • pudner-at-aspen-ideas-festival.jpg
    • Value Add Basketball
no way we can redshirt Gardner
« Reply #47 on: July 18, 2010, 12:54:11 AM »
We can't afford to redshirt Gardner for a year.  Prior to last season, we grabbed fewer than 24 rebounds only five times in 13 years.  Last year we failed to grab 24 rebounds FOUR times in just one season.  Whether he is ready to be a big factor or not, I don't see any way we can afford to redshirt Devante for a year.  We've simply got to get his size underneath.

20 rebounds: DePaul 51, #20 Marquette 72 (2002-2003)
20 rebounds: #10 Providence 81, #7 Marquette 59 (1996-1997)
21 rebounds: Marquette 71, #5 Syracuse 76 (2009-2010)
21 rebounds: Winthrop 71, Marquette 64 (2005-2006)
22 rebounds: Marquette 62, #6 West Virginia 63 (2009-2010)
22 rebounds: Washington 80, Marquette 78 (2009-2010)
23 rebounds: St. John's 55, Marquette 57 (2009-2010)

23 rebounds: Southern Miss 59, Marquette 50 (1998-1999)
23 rebounds: #16 Wisconsin 52, Marquette 47 (2000-2001)
The www.valueaddsports.com analysis of basketball, football and baseball players are intended to neither be too hot or too cold - hundreds immerse themselves in studies of stats not of interest to broader fan bases (too hot), while others still insist on pure observation (too cold).

Dawson Rental

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 10456
  • I prefer a team that's eligible, not paid for
Re: no way we can redshirt Gardner
« Reply #48 on: July 19, 2010, 06:21:01 PM »
We can't afford to redshirt Gardner for a year.  Prior to last season, we grabbed fewer than 24 rebounds only five times in 13 years.  Last year we failed to grab 24 rebounds FOUR times in just one season.  Whether he is ready to be a big factor or not, I don't see any way we can afford to redshirt Devante for a year.  We've simply got to get his size underneath.

20 rebounds: DePaul 51, #20 Marquette 72 (2002-2003)
20 rebounds: #10 Providence 81, #7 Marquette 59 (1996-1997)
21 rebounds: Marquette 71, #5 Syracuse 76 (2009-2010)
21 rebounds: Winthrop 71, Marquette 64 (2005-2006)
22 rebounds: Marquette 62, #6 West Virginia 63 (2009-2010)
22 rebounds: Washington 80, Marquette 78 (2009-2010)
23 rebounds: St. John's 55, Marquette 57 (2009-2010)

23 rebounds: Southern Miss 59, Marquette 50 (1998-1999)
23 rebounds: #16 Wisconsin 52, Marquette 47 (2000-2001)

Of course, we should be better just from (hopefully) having a healthy Otule and guards taller than 6'.
You actually have a degree from Marquette?

Quote from: muguru
No...and after reading many many psosts from people on this board that do...I have to say I'm MUCH better off, if this is the type of "intelligence" a degree from MU gets you. It sure is on full display I will say that.

texaswarrior74

  • All American
  • *****
  • Posts: 583
Re: Gardner
« Reply #49 on: July 19, 2010, 06:25:59 PM »
Gardner has a better chance of not being with the team next year then having R Jax's career.

What do you mean by this? Where is this coming from?