Wade and Bosh in Miami

[reinko]

The Big 3 would be the best trio in the game.  And people compare them to the Boston trio.  The only difference if that Rondo is dropping triple doubles almost every night.  

You do realize Rondo didn't record his first triple double until the Fall of 2008, the season after the Big 3 won their championship in 2008.  And during their championship campaign, Mr. Rondo averaged 10, 4, and 5.

But keep reaching chief.

[ErickJD08]

You do realize Rondo didn't record his first triple double until the Fall of 2008, the season after the Big 3 won their championship in 2008.  And during their championship campaign, Mr. Rondo averaged 10, 4, and 5.

But keep reaching chief.

Swing and a miss... the whole point is that they had more than just the three of them.  Rondo, Perkins... ya know, a center.

Your in the mindset of ... the Big 3 can win it all with anyone out there.  Its just not true.  Especially when you have complete teams running out there like the Lakers and others.

[GGGG]

You missing the point.  Right now, the Heat have Bosh, Wade, Chalmers, and Beasley.... AND NO ONE ELSE.  If Lebron goes to the Heat, Lebron has to cross his fingers and hope they sign some quality players.  Odds are is that they will not.  

All the players are in Chicago.  All the pieces are there.  

So don't compare Rose and Chalmers and so one.  Look at Bosh, Wade, Chalmers, and Beasley.  Is that better than Rose, Boozer, Noah, Taj, and Deng?  That's the no brainer.  Could the Heat sign some min. salary players?  Maybe.  If he is playing the maybe card, he should go to the Knicks.  If there is any team to take a risk on, its the Knicks.

Agreed.  If his primary goal is to get a championship, the Bulls provide the best opportunity.  I see that Ray Allen just re-upped with the Celtics.  I thought he would have been a perfect addition to Lebron and the Bulls.

[HoopsMalone]

Agreed.  If his primary goal is to get a championship, the Bulls provide the best opportunity.  I see that Ray Allen just re-upped with the Celtics.  I thought he would have been a perfect addition to Lebron and the Bulls.

I think Allen would have been perfect for Chicago since he knows the coach. 

There are some really great shooters available.  Regardless of what happens with Lebron, the Heat and Bulls are going to be in an arms race for Kyle Korver, JJ Reddick, Anthony Morrow, and Mike Miller.

The Heat also have to worry about who is going to play C and PG, but Bulls only need a shooter so can go over the Heat's head for the 2 shooters they want.

[brewcity77]

With the Boozer signing, Carmelo may be realistic for Chicago. Deng, James Johnson, and Taj Gibson match up close enough salary-wise. Bulls would still have about $16 mil to spend on their bench. It might need some picks added in, but for 'Melo it's surely worth it.

[HoopsMalone]

With the Boozer signing, Carmelo may be realistic for Chicago. Deng, James Johnson, and Taj Gibson match up close enough salary-wise. Bulls would still have about $16 mil to spend on their bench. It might need some picks added in, but for 'Melo it's surely worth it.

That would be incredible.  But, I don't think that Chicago gets Melo without losing Noah or Rose, and maybe both.  Denver is not going to take a bad contract off of our hands and our two worst players for an All-Star and face of their franchise.  I'd give them Deng and just about as many first round picks as they want though.  They would just have to like Deng's 17 points and 7 boards enough to say we are cutting our losses with Melo for a guy who makes less and gives us 60% of the production, plus we get picks. 

I don't see it, but that would be perfect for the Bulls to come away with Melo somehow.  I would hate to see Melo on the Knicks.  I would hate to see anyone on the Knicks.  Hopefully all they do is switch Amare and David Lee and that is that for them.

[ErickJD08]

With the Boozer signing, Carmelo may be realistic for Chicago. Deng, James Johnson, and Taj Gibson match up close enough salary-wise. Bulls would still have about $16 mil to spend on their bench. It might need some picks added in, but for 'Melo it's surely worth it.

The only issue is that every single reporter (and I know almost every report is bogus) says New York.  He is an east coast kid and people say he wants to be a Knick

[martyconlonontherun]

Agreed.  If his primary goal is to get a championship, the Bulls provide the best opportunity.  I see that Ray Allen just re-upped with the Celtics.  I thought he would have been a perfect addition to Lebron and the Bulls.

I agree this year the Bulls had the best opportunity. However, going forward its definitely the Heat. Each year they would be able to sign a MLE guy and BAE guy adding 2 solid players each year. They will also be able to sign vets at the min. The roster starts to shape up very quickly.

Next year-
Wade
Lebron
Beasley
Bosh
Vet Min

Next year-
Wade
Lebron
Bosh
Beasley
MLE
BAE
Vet min
Draft Pick

3rd year-
Wade
Lebron
Bosh
Beasley
MLE
MLE
BAE
BAE
Vet
2 Draft picks

[HoopsMalone]

I agree this year the Bulls had the best opportunity. However, going forward its definitely the Heat. Each year they would be able to sign a MLE guy and BAE guy adding 2 solid players each year. They will also be able to sign vets at the min. The roster starts to shape up very quickly.

Next year-
Wade
Lebron
Beasley
Bosh
Vet Min

Next year-
Wade
Lebron
Bosh
Beasley
MLE
BAE
Vet min
Draft Pick

3rd year-
Wade
Lebron
Bosh
Beasley
MLE
MLE
BAE
BAE
Vet
2 Draft picks

The Bulls can sign the same amount of players though, and they have a head start with what they have now.  Boozer, Gibson, and Noah are greater than Bosh.  You are looking at 2 years until you beat that up front, and that assumes Chicago adds nothing.

By that time, Rose is probably pretty close to Wade.

It all depends, I guess, on how good you think Bosh really is.  If you think he was a hidden KG up in Toronto, then you maybe have something.  But, if James wants to wait until he is 30 to win a title he should go to Brooklyn with the Russian and J-Z, not Miami.

[ErickJD08]

If LBJ is thinking a three year plan, good luck to him.  Lots can happen in three years.  Wade can break down (he will be 30).  Bosh could break down because he has had injuries.  And by the way, I don't see that trio being happy going into year three without a ring.  They would implode.

And I just watched a thing about the cap room.  I think Miami would have to unload Beasley to sign LBJ.  Then they are stuck with really no one.  Again, if LBJ really wants to win NOW, Chicago and Cleveland make the most sense.  

Honestly, I don't care about LBJ any more.  Give me a Korver and Miller and we are ready to rock.  No championship team has had LBJ up to this point.  You don't need him to win.

[martyconlonontherun]

The Bulls can sign the same amount of players though, and they have a head start with what they have now.  Boozer, Gibson, and Noah are greater than Bosh.  You are looking at 2 years until you beat that up front, and that assumes Chicago adds nothing.

By that time, Rose is probably pretty close to Wade.

It all depends, I guess, on how good you think Bosh really is.  If you think he was a hidden KG up in Toronto, then you maybe have something.  But, if James wants to wait until he is 30 to win a title he should go to Brooklyn with the Russian and J-Z, not Miami.

It's not about quantity but quality. James/Bosh/Wade trumps Rose/James/Boozer. The other guys just round it out.

[GGGG]

It's not about quantity but quality. James/Bosh/Wade trumps Rose/James/Boozer. The other guys just round it out.

While I agree that the Miami big three would be better than the Chicago big three (although not by much...I think Bosh is incredibly overrated), the supporting cast means something.  Where would the Celtics have been without Perkins and Rondo?  Where would the Lakers have been without Fisher and Bynum?  The supporting casts are very important, and Noah, Deng, Gibson and another FA of some sort are better than what Miami can trot out there.

[HoopsMalone]

MUDish,  what are you hearing my friend?

[brewcity77]

MUDish,  what are you hearing my friend?

I obviously have no sources (especially not compared to Dish) but I doubt we'll gain any real insight until LeBron's presser tonight. My guess is that he's letting the location of Greenwich, the lure of Bosh and Wade in Miami, the potential of teaming up with Rose and Boozer, and the chance to return home all stew in the pot. I think LeBron probably has already made his decision, but wants as much hype as possible, so he will just let the rumor mills churn all day until 8:10 tonight when he lets down most of the NBA world by announcing he won't be playing for their favorite team.

[ErickJD08]

I obviously have no sources (especially not compared to Dish) but I doubt we'll gain any real insight until LeBron's presser tonight. My guess is that he's letting the location of Greenwich, the lure of Bosh and Wade in Miami, the potential of teaming up with Rose and Boozer, and the chance to return home all stew in the pot. I think LeBron probably has already made his decision, but wants as much hype as possible, so he will just let the rumor mills churn all day until 8:10 tonight when he lets down most of the NBA world by announcing he won't be playing for their favorite team.

I agree and disagree.  I think LBJ is going to furiously whisk the pot and leak out of this crappy info.  I bet there will be multiple conflicting reports about where LBJ is going to hype this stupid thing up.  He needs all the major markets to watch.  Miami has already been leaked.  I think Chicago and New York will get a report in the next 5 hours.  So stupid.

[GoldenWarrior]

I agree and disagree.  I think LBJ is going to furiously whisk the pot and leak out of this crappy info.  I bet there will be multiple conflicting reports about where LBJ is going to hype this stupid thing up.  He needs all the major markets to watch.  Miami has already been leaked.  I think Chicago and New York will get a report in the next 5 hours.  So stupid.

Stupid and just plane egotistical act.  Well he's now going to be remembered as a quitter in Clevelanders' eyes for having quite on us in the Boston series and quitting on his "mission" to win a Championship for Cleveland...

Will be interesting how the Miami situation ends up actually playing out though on the court, oh and get used to seeing them on national TV for every game this year too basically.

[HoopsMalone]

Stupid and just plane egotistical act.  Well he's now going to be remembered as a quitter in Clevelanders' eyes for having quite on us in the Boston series and quitting on his "mission" to win a Championship for Cleveland...

Will be interesting how the Miami situation ends up actually playing out though on the court, oh and get used to seeing them on national TV for every game this year too basically.

He is already becoming a hated man in every city but the one he signs in.  not a good path to becoming a billionaire.   The ads are not going to be there anymore, and maybe not even the championships.

[GoldenWarrior]

He is already becoming a hated man in every city but the one he signs in.  not a good path to becoming a billionaire.   The ads are not going to be there anymore, and maybe not even the championships.

True, but this is his hometown and trust me Cleveland will never forgive him for this... we are still praying Art Modell suffers the most hideously painful death in the history of man kind for what he did to us... this won't be far off of that, if not worse.

[reinko]

Americans have the shortest term memory.  Here is the list off the top of my head of athletes who have done worse or were alleged to do worse than Bron Bron, and have made a successful comeback.

~Kobe
~Barkley
~Tigger
~Ray Lewis
~Iverson
~Tyson
~Michael Irvin
~Rasheed Wallace

And really this list could be 200 deep.  LeBron will be hated for awhile, but folks will soon forget, as they always do.

[ErickJD08]

True, but this is his hometown and trust me Cleveland will never forgive him for this... we are still praying Art Modell suffers the most hideously painful death in the history of man kind for what he did to us... this won't be far off of that, if not worse.

Cleveland fan, if I were in your shoes, I would be pretty upset with the guy.  If its any consolation, he is not winning a championship next.  He better understand the Cuban flare because that might be the only people buying his crap.  Also, don't be surprised if they don't win in two or three years, Wade runs him out of town.  That will be Wade's team no matter what happens.

[GoldenWarrior]

Americans have the shortest term memory.  Here is the list off the top of my head of athletes who have done worse or were alleged to do worse than Bron Bron, and have made a successful comeback.

~Kobe
~Barkley
~Tigger
~Ray Lewis
~Iverson
~Tyson
~Michael Irvin
~Rasheed Wallace

And really this list could be 200 deep.  LeBron will be hated for awhile, but folks will soon forget, as they always do.

Agreed on the national level... on the Cleveland fan level and his hometown... he will never be forgiven, even when he's 75...

[ErickJD08]

Americans have the shortest term memory.  Here is the list off the top of my head of athletes who have done worse or were alleged to do worse than Bron Bron, and have made a successful comeback.

~Kobe
~Barkley
~Tigger
~Ray Lewis
~Iverson
~Tyson
~Michael Irvin
~Rasheed Wallace

And really this list could be 200 deep.  LeBron will be hated for awhile, but folks will soon forget, as they always do.

Definitely not the same.  There is the courts and the courts of public opinion.  From the courts, he can be acquitted or serve time, or from the court of public opinion, he can say he's sorry.  He can't say sorry to Cleveland and every other team will just cheer for their own team.  Its definitely different.

[shiloh26]

Cleveland fan, if I were in your shoes, I would be pretty upset with the guy.  If its any consolation, he is not winning a championship next.  He better understand the Cuban flare because that might be the only people buying his crap.  Also, don't be surprised if they don't win in two or three years, Wade runs him out of town.  That will be Wade's team no matter what happens.

If LeBron really is going to Miami, he's sure doing his best to try and make it his team already. Bosh and Wade signed up together, and here comes LeBron building up the suspense and attention to sign with the same team.  If they want to do the whole three amigo's thing, then do it right and sign together.  If they all sign in Miami, its because they've certainly discussed and decided give it a go before today, so come in together as three ultra-talented best buds... it would make this all much more palatable

[shiloh26]

He is already becoming a hated man in every city but the one he signs in.  not a good path to becoming a billionaire.   The ads are not going to be there anymore, and maybe not even the championships.

If you think that the money machine that is LeBron James is going to dry up if he LEAVES CLEVELAND, you are very naive.  People (including me) are put off by him right now, but they will forget.  Nike is salivating right now about having Wade and James on the same label and the same team.  

EDIT: He will always be hated in Cleveland if he does this, I don't mean to imply that he wont.  This is the Fumble and the Drive put together and multiplied by 10 considering the way he is doing it. 

[gjreda]

Americans have the shortest term memory.  Here is the list off the top of my head of athletes who have done worse or were alleged to do worse than Bron Bron, and have made a successful comeback.

~Kobe
~Barkley
~Tigger
~Ray Lewis
~Iverson
~Tyson
~Michael Irvin
~Rasheed Wallace

And really this list could be 200 deep.  LeBron will be hated for awhile, but folks will soon forget, as they always do.

A successful comeback is one thing ... being a global icon with a "brand?"  Well, only two people on that list can say that - Tiger and Kobe.  And Tiger's been taking a turn for the worse lately.