Marquette84-Ners Debate

[NersEllenson]

Do you think you had anything to do with it snowballing?  When you claim that people love the ex-coach or any other charges like that?  I agree with what 2002 said, appreciate what TC did for MU when he was at MU.  Who gives a rip what he does elsewhere.  The only people that do are those that have a hard on for him to fail, that's the only reason.

Crean did a very good job and that reign ended officially this year with last of his players playing (Hayward, Cubillan, Acker).  Buzz, so far, is doing a very good job and the future looks bright (sans the conference potential implosion).  Appreciate them both and but don't be surprised if a thread gets out of control when you rip on others for valid viewpoints, or say one thing only to be caught in a 180 degree position with your own words.

Actually Chicos - I feel 84 had a lot to do with it snowballing, just as much as I did.  It probably is in your best, self-serving interest, to not give a rip what Tom Crean does elsewhere  -as so far the evidence isn't very good.  And lastly, I didn't really rip anyone else for valid viewpoints - but 84 and yourself like to twist and distort the points I do make to saisfy your own agendas and opinions - which are quite different than mine, and therefore the disconnect  between us.

[Golden Avalanche]

Actually Chicos - I feel 84 had a lot to do with it snowballing, just as much as I did.  It probably is in your best, self-serving interest, to not give a rip what Tom Crean does elsewhere  -as so far the evidence isn't very good.  And lastly, I didn't really rip anyone else for valid viewpoints - but 84 and yourself like to twist and distort the points I do make to saisfy your own agendas and opinions - which are quite different than mine, and therefore the disconnect  between us.

You ripped me when I wrote that a kid who has qualifying grades will go to prep school and when I wrote another player will leave the program.

Pretty valid viewpoints if you've kept up on your reading in between the posting.

[NersEllenson]

You ripped me when I wrote that a kid who has qualifying grades will go to prep school and when I wrote another player will leave the program.

Pretty valid viewpoints if you've kept up on your reading in between the posting.

Please find where I ripped you for the above?  I reviewed my post history and see nothing of the sort.  Go take a look for yourself - there is not 1 post that rips you for the above comments.  I called you out for basically trying to say that Buzz is keeping the program at a Crean-level (which is how the whole mess started), when you wrote that we haven't elevated our stature under Buzz (gee the guy's only been on the job 2 years, what do you expect?)...and that we got favorable matchups in the NCAA tourney under Buzz and couldn't capitalize. 

If I missed a post of mine in my history for the qualifying grade person/player leaving the program - my apologies, but I did do a very thorough review of my history.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Who gives a rip what he does elsewhere? Based on your giddiness when he got his third Big 10 win last year and your multple posts predicting his eventual success at IU, I'd say you.

But it's comforting to know that you never rip on people with valid viewpoints. On behalf of the rest of the board, thanks for your patience.

Show me where I ever started threads on the subject.  I didn't (or haven't in years), but yes I would respond to stupid, ridiculous crap that was factually incorrect in other threads to set the record straight.  You make it sound like I wasn parading around starting threads saying how good IU was going to be when, ironically, there have been literally hundreds started here by others with the opposite messaging and with no purpose whatsoever other than to get some of you to pop the Cialis.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Actually Chicos - I feel 84 had a lot to do with it snowballing, just as much as I did.  It probably is in your best, self-serving interest, to not give a rip what Tom Crean does elsewhere  -as so far the evidence isn't very good.  And lastly, I didn't really rip anyone else for valid viewpoints - but 84 and yourself like to twist and distort the points I do make to saisfy your own agendas and opinions - which are quite different than mine, and therefore the disconnect  between us.

We don't distort anything Ners, we copy verbatim your comments.  How is that distorting? 

[NersEllenson]

We don't distort anything Ners, we copy verbatim your comments.  How is that distorting? 

I'm not going to reiterate, yet, once again how 84 distorted my points.  That's been done already.  Maybe if you would actually read what I've written - you wouldn't need to ask for a refresher course on how (primarily 84) distorted many of my original points.  Give it a rest...I thought all you Orange County dudes were a lot more laid back??  Enjoy the nice weather and beaches, and well taking a stroll along the ocean, simply recite the following meditation:  "Tom Crean was good for Marquette, Buzz Williams will be great for Marquette.  I will stop being adverserial in my relationship toward Ners and Lenny's Tap."  My thank you in advance.   

[Lennys Tap]

Show me where I ever started threads on the subject.  I didn't (or haven't in years), but yes I would respond to stupid, ridiculous crap that was factually incorrect in other threads to set the record straight.  You make it sound like I wasn parading around starting threads saying how good IU was going to be when, ironically, there have been literally hundreds started here by others with the opposite messaging and with no purpose whatsoever other than to get some of you to pop the Cialis.

You have 7000+ posts. THOUSANDS more than anyone else on this board. It must be hard damn work setting all of us "stupids" straight. Thanks for your tireless and selfless efforts.

[Lennys Tap]

We don't distort anything Ners, we copy verbatim your comments.  How is that distorting? 

When did you and 84 become a we? Are congratulations in order?

[ChicosBailBonds]

You have 7000+ posts. THOUSANDS more than anyone else on this board. It must be hard damn work setting all of us "stupids" straight. Thanks for your tireless and selfless efforts.

Honestly, it's not hard at all, you do a great job of shining the light on yourself Lenny.  Better than anything I could ever do.

[ChicosBailBonds]

When did you and 84 become a we? Are congratulations in order?

Oh the list is much bigger than just 84 and I.  Congratulations are always in order.  SMOOCH

[Murffieus]

Buzz is a better coach than Crean----that said, to this point TC has accomplished more at MU than Buzz has.