Update on Noreen

[Tugg Speedman]

I'm going to play devil's advocate to both sides here.  1, to you AnotherMU, have you seen him play?  If not, how in the heck would you know that?  He averaged 38 and 16 against bad competition.  If you have not seen him play, then you cannot say that he isn't Big East worthy with those numbers.  If you did see him play and it was a 6'10" guy getting layup after layup over 5'10" guys, then thanks for the input.

Have not seen him play.  Just saw some video and read some reviews.

http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/tracker/player?recruitId=96744&season=2010

Bottom line, his schools are MU, Prov, BC (which is where he de-committed), Minnesota and Iowa State.

We are the best program on this list.  Where are the top flight BE teams? Why no B10 schools other than Minnesota.  When only lesser schools are recruiting our prospects, I worry that he won't be another Novak but another Vic Lazzaretti ... we can do better.

Based on who is interested in him, it sounds like he's reaching for us. 

[4everwarriors]

He's not reaching for us. Noreen has some damn nice choices considering how late in the game it is. The reason for that is the huge upside he presents. Take him in a Mike Deane dust fart and be happy. The cat will add to our program.

[bma725]

Perhaps you should do some research and find out who is actually recruiting him rather than just relying on the ESPN list to form your opinion on him, because their information is wildly incorrect and makes you look like you don't know what you are talking about.  The reality is, dozens of high major programs are going after the kid.  So far, he's getting interest from:

ACC:  Boston College, Maryland
Big East:  Marquette, Providence
Big 10:  Northwestern, Minnesota, Penn State, Indiana
Big 12:  Colorado, Texas, Oklahoma, Iowa State
PAC-10:  UCLA, California, Washington, Washington State, Stanford, Oregon
SEC: Florida

The reality is, this kid is the hottest unsigned prospect in the country right now, and any high major that is looking for players is looking at him.  Your opinion of him based on who is recruiting him could not be more wrong.

[reinko]

MU84:  BOOM ROASTED! By our very own bma.

Move along.

[Lennys Tap]

Have not seen him play.  Just saw some video and read some reviews.

http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/tracker/player?recruitId=96744&season=2010

Bottom line, his schools are MU, Prov, BC (which is where he de-committed), Minnesota and Iowa State.

We are the best program on this list.  Where are the top flight BE teams? Why no B10 schools other than Minnesota.  When only lesser schools are recruiting our prospects, I worry that he won't be another Novak but another Vic Lazzaretti ... we can do better.

Based on who is interested in him, it sounds like he's reaching for us. 

You can add Oklahoma, Cal, Florida and Indiana to his list. While like you I've never seen him play, his list of suitors, ESPN grade (92), size, high school stats (38 and 16), grade point (4.0), ACT (36) and (according to his coach) outstanding work ethic and basketball I.Q. are enough for me.

[Tugg Speedman]

Perhaps you should do some research and find out who is actually recruiting him rather than just relying on the ESPN list to form your opinion on him, because their information is wildly incorrect and makes you look like you don't know what you are talking about.  The reality is, dozens of high major programs are going after the kid.  So far, he's getting interest from:

ACC:  Boston College, Maryland
Big East:  Marquette, Providence
Big 10:  Northwestern, Minnesota, Penn State, Indiana
Big 12:  Colorado, Texas, Oklahoma, Iowa State
PAC-10:  UCLA, California, Washington, Washington State, Stanford, Oregon
SEC: Florida

The reality is, this kid is the hottest unsigned prospect in the country right now, and any high major that is looking for players is looking at him.  Your opinion of him based on who is recruiting him could not be more wrong.

BMA, I know your info is correct.  Where did you find it?  Link?

[bma725]

It's simple, it's called actually following recruiting.  You need to go out and do some searching.  Pay for the access to different sites.  Read as many articles about it as you can.  No one site ever has all the information, you have to piece it together from tons of sources, because each article tailors what they say for a specific audience.

[Tugg Speedman]

It's simple, it's called actually following recruiting.  You need to go out and do some searching.  Pay for the access to different sites.  Read as many articles about it as you can.  No one site ever has all the information, you have to piece it together from tons of sources, because each article tailors what they say for a specific audience.

I will never have that kind of time, which is why I'm grateful for your posts on recruiting.

Just to be repeat my position on Noreen.  If someone is leaving of their own free will, I'm all for Noreen coming to MU and agree he would be a great late season pickup.

If, on the other hand, Buzz is going to push someone out to make room for him, I look at it as a trade weighing Noreen versus the player sent packing.  Even if its Mbao (because he is presumably the last guy on the bench), I think the improvement of Noreen v Mbao is marginal.  You can't teach 7' 2" and we know big guys develop slowly.  With three years left to develop Mbao, I'm not sure that would be a good trade.  Because it is not clearly an improvement, I am not in favor of it.

[ATWizJr]

You can't be serious.  You don't have that kind of time but you have the time to defend your idiotic posts in multiple threads? C'mon man.

[Tugg Speedman]

You can't be serious.  You don't have that kind of time but you have the time to defend your idiotic posts in multiple threads? C'mon man.

Ok, you think Noreen is head and shoulders better than Mbao and your all for calling security to remove Mbao from MU campus (forcibly if necessary) to make for him.  Thank you for your opinion on this subject and the next time I'm attacked for asking who might be leaving I'll refer some of that vitriol your way.

[ATWizJr]

Ok, you think Noreen is head and shoulders better than Mbao and your all for calling security to remove Mbao from MU campus (forcibly if necessary) to make for him.  Thank you for your opinion on this subject and the next time I'm attacked for asking who might be leaving I'll refer some of that vitriol your way.

Nice try, but this isn't about whether I think Noreen is better or if Mbao is leaving.  It's about posting stuff that might be offensive to a current recruit or a current player and their families.  It's not amusing.

[Tugg Speedman]

Nice try, but this isn't about whether I think Noreen is better or if Mbao is leaving.  It's about posting stuff that might be offensive to a current recruit or a current player and their families.  It's not amusing.

All my "idiotic" posts have been the same thing over and over ... don't run anyone off for any of the 2010 recruits we have been talking about over the last few weeks.  You just want to pick a fight and frankly, you picked the wrong guy.  

Further if you want a fight, blast Buzz.  He's the guy calling big men into campus every weekend and "trying them out" for a team that has no spots.  Some current player is OK with what happened at the AL earlier today (a potential recruit with no spot is scrimmaging with our team) and then comes over here and reads that a team with no open spot is asking who might be going (not why, just who) to make room, and that hurts his feelings?

Why don't you think about this for a minute.

[GGGG]

All my "idiotic" posts have been the same thing over and over ... don't run anyone off for any of the 2010 recruits we have been talking about over the last few weeks.  You just want to pick a fight and frankly, you picked the wrong guy.  

Oh brother...   

[Dawson Rental]

All my "idiotic" posts have been the same thing over and over ... don't run anyone off for any of the 2010 recruits we have been talking about over the last few weeks.  You just want to pick a fight and frankly, you picked the wrong guy.  

Further if you want a fight, blast Buzz.  He's the guy calling big men into campus every weekend and "trying them out" for a team that has no spots.  Some current player is OK with what happened at the AL earlier today (a potential recruit with no spot is scrimmaging with our team) and then comes over here and reads that a team with no open spot is asking who might be going (not why, just who) to make room, and that hurts his feelings?

Why don't you think about this for a minute.

You seem quite upset with the way Buzz runs his program.  Are you advocating that he be fired?  If not, are you alright with the MU basketball program being run in a way that you think is wrong, just so long as Buzz wins at a certain level?

[Tugg Speedman]

You seem quite upset with the way Buzz runs his program.  Are you advocating that he be fired?  If so, are you alright with the MU basketball program being run in a way that you think is wrong, just so long as Buzz wins at a certain level?

You know what I meant and your anal twisting of my words is devaluing all MU degrees. 

[VegasWarrior77]

You can't be serious.  You don't have that kind of time but you have the time to defend your idiotic posts in multiple threads? C'mon man.

+1
Why do any due diligence (also known as work)?  Just throw your ADHD comments against the chat room wall...!

[Tugg Speedman]

+1
Why do any due diligence (also known as work)?  Just throw your ADHD comments against the chat room wall...!

Ok here is an assignment for you ... what exactly were those comments?  That running off Mbao to make room for Noreen is a good trade?  That is the subject here (and my position was don't do it).

Are you arguing that if I did BMA level research I should be arguing for getting rid of Mbao. 

Do you know what your talking about?

[MUBurrow]

with all the talk comparing Noreen's skill set to Novak's considering his outside shot and handle, wouldnt it be ironic if he ended up getting a lot of minutes and handling/shooting on the perimeter? poor Jeronne...

[Dawson Rental]

with all the talk comparing Noreen's skill set to Novak's considering his outside shot and handle, wouldnt it be ironic if he ended up getting a lot of minutes and handling/shooting on the perimeter? poor Jeronne...

"On the Lakefront"  A film starring Marlon Brando as Jeronne Maymon, and Agnes Morehead as Tim Maymon.

Jeronne: "I coulda been a two guard".

[VegasWarrior77]

Ok here is an assignment for you ... what exactly were those comments?  That running off Mbao to make room for Noreen is a good trade?  That is the subject here (and my position was don't do it).

Are you arguing that if I did BMA level research I should be arguing for getting rid of Mbao. 

Do you know what your talking about?

I know exactly what I'm talking about - I just wasted a few minutes of my life!  Adios!

[GGGG]

Ok here is an assignment for you ... what exactly were those comments?  That running off Mbao to make room for Noreen is a good trade?  That is the subject here (and my position was don't do it).

Are you arguing that if I did BMA level research I should be arguing for getting rid of Mbao. 

I think we're saying that if you do bma level research that it may stop you from posting for awhile.

[ATL MU Warrior]

I think we're saying that if you do bma level research that it may stop you from posting for awhile.

oh please lord let this be the case.