Duke Bias

[NersEllenson]

Watched the Baylor/Duke game today, and before Baylor started to foul intentionally at end of the game, the free throw disparity in the 2nd half was Duke 19 attempts to Baylor's 2.  Duke got every borderline call, for Baylor to get a call, it had to be blatant.

[HylianHero]

It was bullsh**. Zoubek should have fouled out 10 minutes before he did. He went over the back 15 times in the minutes before he fouled out. It's stupid. I hate Duke, and I hate that we can't have a final four without an 'elite' program.

From now on I'm rooting for ABD (Anybody But Duke).

[monkeyman34]

Throw in on top of it the b.s. Tech they called on Baylor near the end, when Schyer threw an elbow

[HoopsMalone]

Gotta root for the Big East against Duke next week anyway.  Conference pride on the line, though it's too bad it's Huggins that we need to root for.

[mu_hilltopper]

Ners, I thought the same thing when I saw that 19-2 stat.  What a freaking joke.  

Years from now, I'm convinced a ref will spill the beans about NCAA reffing and Duke, with wagering, payoffs, etc.  

[NickelDimer]

It was bullsh**. Zoubek should have fouled out 10 minutes before he did. He went over the back 15 times in the minutes before he fouled out. It's stupid. I hate Duke, and I hate that we can't have a final four without an 'elite' program.

From now on I'm rooting for ABD (Anybody But Duke).

Or how about that ridiculous "charge" late in the second half when Zoubek clearly got there late and they waved off the basket.  That also should've fouled him out.  Turning point in the game imo.  Total BS.

[NavinRJohnson]

Or how about that ridiculous "charge" late in the second half when Zoubek clearly got there late and they waved off the basket.  That also should've fouled him out.  Turning point in the game imo.  Total BS.

That was the play of the game. Baylor needed to get a damn rebound though. If they secure a few more boards, they would have won that game with relative ease.

[NickelDimer]

The NCAA tourney contract with CBS is up this year and open for bidding, so ratings have never been more important.  Think they wanted Baylor rounding out an already unattractive, (ratings wise), final four field??  Me neither.  I've heard that's why Duke got a #1 with an easy road this year; the extra importance of ratings this year.

[chapman]

All these conspiracy theories are sad.  If anyone would actually want Duke to win when they watch it tells a much different story.  The only thing Baylor did better than Duke was bring better looking cheerleaders to the game.

[bradforster]

The CBS contract runs through 2013, but there is an opt out clause for the NCAA this year.  A possible scenario might be expansion with the NCAA selling some of the extra games to ESPN or another network.  

[NersEllenson]

All these conspiracy theories are sad.  If anyone would actually want Duke to win when they watch it tells a much different story.  The only thing Baylor did better than Duke was bring better looking cheerleaders to the game.

I don't have a conspiracy theory, but a 19-2 differentail in FT attempts is ridiculous.  Baylor plays an agressive brand of offensive basketball, that should elicit fouls - yet Duke was playing against a zone defense and launching a lot of threes, yet they get to the line 19 times to 2 Baylor trips??  In the spirit of the NFL Primetime/Countdown guys:  C'mon Man

[GGGG]

I don't have a conspiracy theory, but a 19-2 differentail in FT attempts is ridiculous. 

Were you bitching at halftime when Baylor had a 17-10 differential?  Seriously, Duke was much more aggressive in the second half offensively and attacked the zone.  I agree that the Zoubek call was wrong, but this talk of conspiracy theories is pathetic.  This is Duke's first trip to the Final Four since 2004...some conspiracy...only works every six years.

[nyg]

Baylor had their shot, especially with Singler shooting 0 for 10. But Duke's guard's, especially Nolan Smith played a great game. If only Baylor could have rebounded on those long missed shots which Duke converted for 3's. 

[texaswarrior74]

Now maybe you'll understand why I posted the things I did in the Duke=evil thread......

They were handed the easiest bracket by far including the pay-in game which they did not deserve since they weren't the number one overall seed.

They get away with illegal screens, ridiculous no calls, aggressive hand checks, elbows etc.....EVERY game

I've been watching their ACC  games for 5 years now and they get away with things that no other team in college basketball does...

K (aka ratface) is an a## hole and the most over praised, undeserving coach in Div 1 ball.

As much as I hate to root for huggy bear....go WVU!!!

[ChicosBailBonds]

Were you bitching at halftime when Baylor had a 17-10 differential?  Seriously, Duke was much more aggressive in the second half offensively and attacked the zone.  I agree that the Zoubek call was wrong, but this talk of conspiracy theories is pathetic.  This is Duke's first trip to the Final Four since 2004...some conspiracy...only works every six years.

Exactly.  In the second half, it looked like Duke was getting raped on a lot of calls inside as people were flailing all over the place. 

I'm glad Duke won, only because it pisses so many people off.  They graduate players, don't cheat, etc....

[jficke13]

it sure didn't take long for the Dick Bavetta theory to come out on this one. I don't like Duke either, but to say that the NCAA torpedoed competition to favor them is a little hard to believe.

[robertoc]

Seriously,  these anti Duke threads are getting stupid.  I am by no means a Duke fan.  I have a kind of grudging respect for them based on how good they are, how they play as a team, how they graduate players, etc. Watch the game.  The Baylor player came out of nowhere with a stupid push right in front of the ref- he should have been called for a tech.

The second half Duke was way more aggressive, went after the offensive rebounds, and were constantly in the lane. 

And for the conspiracy theorists;  Doug Gottlieb had some good comments after the brackets came out saying that anyone who thinks Duke got an easy path on purpose has no idea how the brackets are made.

[patso]

It's not a conspiract theory. Every year they are seeded about two better slots than they deserve, are placed in the east bracket and are given opponents with injuries and downturn of momentum. and they get the calls. The funny thing is they usually aren't up to the task anyway but let's not say they do not have M.F.T. status with the committee. The Baylor big man played 9 minutes and the second foul call was absolutely astounding. Go Butler, WVU and Michigan State.

[robertoc]

It's not a conspiract theory. Every year they are seeded about two better slots than they deserve, are placed in the east bracket and are given opponents with injuries and downturn of momentum. and they get the calls. The funny thing is they usually aren't up to the task anyway but let's not say they do not have M.F.T. status with the committee. The Baylor big man played 9 minutes and the second foul call was absolutely astounding. Go Butler, WVU and Michigan State.

Just to clarify this position because I sadly hear it quite a bit.  Are you honestly suggesting that CBS executives (President?  Programming? Sports?)  are in on this; and then influence the committee, who is made up of Presidents of other universities, and pressure them to give Duke a higher seed than they deserve (even though every single Bracketologist has had them as a #1 seed for pretty much the entire year), and try to arrange the brackets so that they play the easier competition?  And then, on top of this, all of the NCAA officials, who are picked for the tourney because they are the best, are in on this as well, and make favorable foul calls for them.
Wow,  that's quite a reach. 

Again, Doug Gottlieb explained this far better than I can when he said that people who understand all of the rules and what goes into picking the brackets would never ever think this...

[marquette99]

I watched the game with no sound and wondered if it could possibly be as bad a job as it looked.  That "charge" they called with a few minutes left to take away a bucket that would have put baylor up 4 was the turning point of the game. Such an obvious and-one.  The technical on baylor after the elbow was an even worse call, but the refs had wrapped the game up by then.

[patso]

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Quote from: patso on Today at 07:54:12 PM
It's not a conspiract theory. Every year they are seeded about two better slots than they deserve, are placed in the east bracket and are given opponents with injuries and downturn of momentum. and they get the calls. The funny thing is they usually aren't up to the task anyway but let's not say they do not have M.F.T. status with the committee. The Baylor big man played 9 minutes and the second foul call was absolutely astounding. Go Butler, WVU and Michigan State.


Just to clarify this position because I sadly hear it quite a bit.  Are you honestly suggesting that CBS executives (President?  Programming? Sports?)  are in on this; and then influence the committee, who is made up of Presidents of other universities, and pressure them to give Duke a higher seed than they deserve (even though every single Bracketologist has had them as a #1 seed for pretty much the entire year), and try to arrange the brackets so that they play the easier competition?  And then, on top of this, all of the NCAA officials, who are picked for the tourney because they are the best, are in on this as well, and make favorable foul calls for them.
Wow,  that's quite a reach. 

Again, Doug Gottlieb explained this far better than I can when he said that people who understand all of the rules and what goes into picking the brackets would never ever think this...





YES

[GGGG]

I watched the game with no sound and wondered if it could possibly be as bad a job as it looked.  That "charge" they called with a few minutes left to take away a bucket that would have put baylor up 4 was the turning point of the game. Such an obvious and-one.  The technical on baylor after the elbow was an even worse call, but the refs had wrapped the game up by then.

I agree that was a bad call, but we get the benefit of watching it on slow motion replay.  The refs don't.

[GGGG]

  YES

OK...another one not to take seriously...

[NersEllenson]

I'm glad Duke won, only because it pisses so many people off. 

I think you've just revealed what makes you happy in life Chicos - thus your controversial reputation here at MUScoop.  Do you really derive pleasure from seeing people pissed off?  Or did I interpret your comment incorrectly?  I guess just another difference between you and me my friend - I take gladness and happiness out of seeing other people rejoice, exalt, and being happy...not seeing them pissed off.

[Nukem2]

I watched the game with no sound and wondered if it could possibly be as bad a job as it looked.  That "charge" they called with a few minutes left to take away a bucket that would have put baylor up 4 was the turning point of the game. Such an obvious and-one.  The technical on baylor after the elbow was an even worse call, but the refs had wrapped the game up by then.

I too watche the game with no sound.  I agree with your post.  Baylor was ripped off in this game.  But, they did need to get some of those defensive rebounds.