05-06 Resume vs. 09-10 Resume

[Clarence]

I think we can get in with 10 conference wins it just matters who those wins are against.  In my opinion we need to beat either Pitt or Louisville, beat both USF and ND and win one of the road games we'll get in.  If we lose to both Pitt and Louisville tehn we need to run the table on everyone else. 

[NersEllenson]

I'm confident 4-3 the rest of the way regardless of how the 4 wins come..and 1 Big East Tourney win will get MU in.  There is no way the committee will keep MU out considering it will have played Villanova (a likely 2 seed) to, two, 2-point losses out of the tourney.  Plus you can point to WVU game as a reason to include MU given WVU will probably be a 3 or 4 seed at worst.  DePaul can be seen as an abberation.

[RawdogDX]

I'm confident 4-3 the rest of the way regardless of how the 4 wins come..and 1 Big East Tourney win will get MU in.  There is no way the committee will keep MU out considering it will have played Villanova (a likely 2 seed) to, two, 2-point losses out of the tourney.  Plus you can point to WVU game as a reason to include MU given WVU will probably be a 3 or 4 seed at worst.  DePaul can be seen as an abberation.

i keep telling everyone that moral victories count as 1/3 a win.  We are looking goood with 19 real wins.

[gumbyandpokey]

Hypothetical end of season:

USF - W
Pitt - L (Close)
@ Cincy - L
@ St. John's - W
@ Seton Hall - L
Louisville - W(Blow Out)
Notre Dame  - W

19-11 and 10-8

Let's say 1-1 in Big East tourney with the Win against Seton Hall and the loss to Syracuse (competetive, but Cuse handles us down the stretch).

20-12 overall

Do we get in? 

In that hypothetical, no way they get in.  The Seton Hall loss would kill it.

One more win and they are right on that bubble.

[Clarence]

I also think that it matters where we fall in the Big East pecking order.  I am convinced that the league is going to get 7 bids but 8 is a real stretch.  Assuming the first five are Cuse, Nova, WVA, Gtown and Pitt, that leaves 2 more spots.  If we finish 10-8 and clearly in 6th place we should be OK, but if we are 10-8 and in a 3 or 4 way tie for 6th place then it is much more precarious.

[Golden Avalanche]

In that hypothetical, no way they get in.  The Seton Hall loss would kill it.

One more win and they are right on that bubble.

Why would Seton Hall kill it? They've already beaten Tournament teams Louisville and Pitt in the Rock. Granted, the Hall won't finish as high as people hoped but they earned some credit with those wins and it certainly wouldn't be as bad losing in Jersey as it was in Chicago.

I think Pittsburgh would be the worst loss of that scenario. Pitt and MU are on the same level. Can't lose to teams on your level at home when battling for an NCAA spot. That's what kills your hopes.

[Fightin 411]

Who would you take in a game between the 05-06 and 09-10 teams?  Would you take chapman, james, mcneal and a novak plus a matthews/barro/burke/amo bench over this year's team?

My head tells me to take the 05-06 team...lots of talent...final four experience...explosive guard play and sharpshooter novak...

But my heart tells me to take this year's team.  So much heart, deadly three point shooting...a better in game coach

I think I would take the 05-06 team if you held a gun to my head.  Which team would play better D?

How fun would it to see lazar matched up with novak!  Hey I guess it could happen someday in the league...

[Doris Burkes Thong]

Freakin Jean Felix dashed all our hopes that year.

[gumbyandpokey]

Why would Seton Hall kill it? They've already beaten Tournament teams Louisville and Pitt in the Rock. Granted, the Hall won't finish as high as people hoped but they earned some credit with those wins and it certainly wouldn't be as bad losing in Jersey as it was in Chicago.

I think Pittsburgh would be the worst loss of that scenario. Pitt and MU are on the same level. Can't lose to teams on your level at home when battling for an NCAA spot. That's what kills your hopes.

Losing at Seton Hall alone doesn't do the damage.  That loss coupled with the DePaul disaster is what would keep MU out.  It's tough to get a bid when you lose to two of the bottom feeders of the conference.

[Benny B]

It's tough to get a bid when you lose to two of the bottom feeders of the conference.

So by that logic, you're saying that if Kansas loses to Iowa State this Saturday and to Colorado next Saturday, the committee will deny KU a tourney berth.

It's just spectacular that the selection committee has such clear rules about who gets invited to the dance.  Really takes the whole guess work out of the process.

[Marquette84]

So by that logic, you're saying that if Kansas loses to Iowa State this Saturday and to Colorado next Saturday, the committee will deny KU a tourney berth.

It's just spectacular that the selection committee has such clear rules about who gets invited to the dance.  Really takes the whole guess work out of the process.

There's a difference between MU and Kansas.

KU is #1 in the RPI, 23-1 overall with an 8-1 record against the top 50.
MU is #57 in the RPI, 15-8 overall, with a 2-6 record against the top 50.

Therefore, KU losing the the two bottom feeders will cost them seed.
MU losing to the two bottom feeders will cost a bid.