[Rosiak's Blog] MU, UW-Green Bay agree to three-year deal

[GOMU1104]

If we sign up a 2 for 1 with UWM, doesn't even seem right typing it there should be questions asked of Cottingham.


Meaning he should outline exactly how MU is benefiting(hardcore evidence, not bullsh.t good for the state stuff.)  Because the beneficial reasons miss me in going to the Crap every third year. 

I dont think he is required to explain himself to anyone, other than HIS boss.

[Blackhat]

That's always the case in any employment situation. 


But if the MU administration wants to have a pompous aura about them in how they run their basketball dealings I'll be happy never to give another dime to the basketball end for the next 50 years.  


Can they afford it?   I'm sure they'd laugh at my contributions in whole but if MU wants to maintain a great team in the small market area of Milwaukee they should think about the public image they present to their fans.   I'd want fans to at least have a feeling of ownership in the team.  Good for business.

[The Man in Gold]

MU plays 18 games in Milwaukee already, why play an away game there? How does that help the recruiting base? And how many big recruits come from the GB area? Next to none.

MU will not compete with either school for recruits. And what are the odds this has any effect on a recruit? I can guarantee you'll never hear a kid say "I like the Big East competition, but I won't go there since they don't play UWGB."

If this at all limits our ability to bring in a BCS school for a home and home, it's insanity to give a 2-1 deal.

I'd argue that this deal makes a lot of sense from an exposure point of view far more than recruiting.  MU is a brief mention in a sportscast in Green Bay compared to UW basketball...so any chance to raise our profile across the rest of the state makes sense IMO.

With that said, only playing 2-1 with UWM provides no additional benefit.

[GGGG]

I'd argue that this deal makes a lot of sense from an exposure point of view far more than recruiting.  MU is a brief mention in a sportscast in Green Bay compared to UW basketball...so any chance to raise our profile across the rest of the state makes sense IMO.

So an extra mention on a declining rating sports cast once a year is going to help out?  Cmon...that's not worth anything.

[GGGG]

But if the MU administration wants to have a pompous aura about them in how they run their basketball dealings I'll be happy never to give another dime to the basketball end for the next 50 years.  

Oh brother....

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

That's always the case in any employment situation. 


But if the MU administration wants to have a pompous aura about them in how they run their basketball dealings I'll be happy never to give another dime to the basketball end for the next 50 years.  


Can they afford it?   I'm sure they'd laugh at my contributions in whole but if MU wants to maintain a great team in the small market area of Milwaukee they should think about the public image they present to their fans.   I'd want fans to at least have a feeling of ownership in the team.  Good for business.

You bring up a great point.

Look at the nickname situation.

A LOT of people are pissed about that and quit donating, and it's really hurting them now.

When will they learn to cater to the fans like us!

[MUBurrow]

Good recruits don't come from NEW, thats just a fact.  I think the highest profile school anyone has played at in the past 5 years or so has been Northern Iowa.  

So the point is that there has to be some other philosophy underlying this decision.  Fact of the matter is, I hope it isn't a state of wisconsin goodwill trip, because its just likely not going to work.  A big reason for that is the way the UW system is built.  Kids from Oshkosh, Stout, La Crosse, Point, etc... hell even GB and MKE usually would prefer to go to Madison.  So root root for the Badgers is ingrained in a lot of these kids.  I know that from GB, Marquette is associated with the private high schools, who are generally the bane of the high school fan's existence.  

Maybe this has more to do with enticing instate non athlete students to MU and away from Madison/the UW system? Exposure that way? It would serve to explain a little more about the trip to the Resch...

[Blackhat]

You bring up a great point.

Look at the nickname situation.

A LOT of people are pissed about that and quit donating, and it's really hurting them now.

When will they learn to cater to the fans like us!

I forgot MU basketball is a cash cow and doesn't need to worry about the fans....as long as Dick Strong is alive and as long as the Big East wants MU maybe.


A couple quotes from an AD in the paper on his scheduling is far too much to ask, forgive me.    

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

I forgot MU basketball is a cash cow and doesn't need to worry about the fans....as long as Dick Strong is alive and as long as the Big East wants MU maybe.


A couple quotes from an AD in the paper on his scheduling is far too much to ask, forgive me.    

I don't think that's too much to ask, and I actually agree that MU needs to continue to do a good job with creating "ownership" in the program.

However, let's not get our panties in a bunch and say things like:

"But if the MU administration wants to have a pompous aura about them in how they run their basketball dealings I'll be happy never to give another dime to the basketball end for the next 50 years."

Before we even see the rest of the schedule.

On the surface, I don't care for this game... but I wonder if MU is backing off of the "1 road game per year" thing. Also, given the preseason tournaments MU is getting in now, they are getting some pretty good "road games" under their belt as well... so maybe they don't really need a traditional "home and home" to fill out the schedule. I don't know.

I guess I'll just wait and see what happens.

[Hards Alumni]

Good recruits don't come from NEW, thats just a fact.  I think the highest profile school anyone has played at in the past 5 years or so has been Northern Iowa.  

So the point is that there has to be some other philosophy underlying this decision.  Fact of the matter is, I hope it isn't a state of wisconsin goodwill trip, because its just likely not going to work.  A big reason for that is the way the UW system is built.  Kids from Oshkosh, Stout, La Crosse, Point, etc... hell even GB and MKE usually would prefer to go to Madison.  So root root for the Badgers is ingrained in a lot of these kids.  I know that from GB, Marquette is associated with the private high schools, who are generally the bane of the high school fan's existence.  

Maybe this has more to do with enticing instate non athlete students to MU and away from Madison/the UW system? Exposure that way? It would serve to explain a little more about the trip to the Resch...

Travis Diener was from Fon du Lac.

[Blackhat]

I don't think that's too much to ask, and I actually agree that MU needs to continue to do a good job with creating "ownership" in the program.

However, let's not get our panties in a bunch and say things like:

"But if the MU administration wants to have a pompous aura about them in how they run their basketball dealings I'll be happy never to give another dime to the basketball end for the next 50 years."

Before we even see the rest of the schedule.

On the surface, I don't care for this game... but I wonder if MU is backing off of the "1 road game per year" thing. Also, given the preseason tournaments MU is getting in now, they are getting some pretty good "road games" under their belt as well... so maybe they don't really need a traditional "home and home" to fill out the schedule. I don't know.

I guess I'll just wait and see what happens.

For the record I couldn't see myself getting to that point and certainly not over the scheduling.   It was my hypothetical response to a MU higher up saying "F off" to me through their actions, which I really don't foresee from people of responsibility. 

[NotAnAlum]

Is it possible Buzz could be thinking "neither of these programs sell out their arenas as it is".  Therefore with a little marketing we could pack the rest of the place with MU fans thereby turning a road date on paper into what is more like a neutral court against a beatable opponent resulting in a read win which helps the RPI.

[martyconlonontherun]

Ok, I admit I don't understand the whole situation, but wouldn't this just replace a Grambling st/SD/Mareyland Eastern Shore type game? We don't get any exposure for that, yet we have to pay for all those teams to play here, IIRC. Wouldn't it just be worth advertising MU (the school for students) to NE Wisconsin, building interest, and playing a tougher opponent? I don't see the downside. We wouldn't be playing Arizona or a school like that anyways.

[Chicago_inferiority_complexes]

Biases against MU/Milwaukee are NEVER going to change outstate. MU is seen as the snobby, private school in a big, mean city that has *gasp* black people in it. I know I'm painting with broad strokes here, but it's true.

BINGO. Think of all the loathing and hilarious projection from UW grads that MU grads take. What do you think would be the reason for the even less intelligent average UWGB/UWM graduate to exhibit less irrational hatred? There is ZERO upside to playing them.

I really wonder if the people who don't see a problem with a UWM-type series have ever lived outside of MKE/MAD where 90% of the college grads, where you can even find them, live and breathe public university athletics like their at war against "rich" private schools.

Come to an Appleton or Green Bay bar with me and watch the UW-Oshkosh grads root on UW against MU because they think they're somehow tangentially also a UW grad and because Important People have all told them that MU is just a bunch of hyper wealthy elitists.

[GGGG]

BINGO. Think of all the loathing and hilarious projection from UW grads that MU grads take.

Uh...I am fairly certain that my MU education has never brought me any loathing or projection from UW alums.

[Chicago_inferiority_complexes]

Uh...I am fairly certain that my MU education has never brought me any loathing or projection from UW alums.

Congratulations.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Ok, I admit I don't understand the whole situation, but wouldn't this just replace a Grambling st/SD/Mareyland Eastern Shore type game? We don't get any exposure for that, yet we have to pay for all those teams to play here, IIRC. Wouldn't it just be worth advertising MU (the school for students) to NE Wisconsin, building interest, and playing a tougher opponent? I don't see the downside. We wouldn't be playing Arizona or a school like that anyways.

No, because we don't travel to any of those schools.  But in this situation, every couple of years we have to travel to UWM or UWGB, thus giving up a true home and home with a bigger school like we've done the last few years with Arizona, NC State, Wake Forest, etc, etc.  It's the away game that's the key in this whole thing.

[ChicosBailBonds]

BINGO. Think of all the loathing and hilarious projection from UW grads that MU grads take. What do you think would be the reason for the even less intelligent average UWGB/UWM graduate to exhibit less irrational hatred? There is ZERO upside to playing them.

I really wonder if the people who don't see a problem with a UWM-type series have ever lived outside of MKE/MAD where 90% of the college grads, where you can even find them, live and breathe public university athletics like their at war against "rich" private schools.

Come to an Appleton or Green Bay bar with me and watch the UW-Oshkosh grads root on UW against MU because they think they're somehow tangentially also a UW grad and because Important People have all told them that MU is just a bunch of hyper wealthy elitists.

Ding ding ding. We have a winner.   But like with many things in society and life, someone thinks that doing this will "generate good will" and they'll like us then.  Fat Chance.

[Wareagle]

If you're even going to do this series MU should have gotten at least one more home game out of the deal.  UW has an 8 for 2 contract with UWGB over 10 years. 

[GGGG]

Congratulations.

Thanks.  Apparently I must be special because I don't know how MU alums can survive in such an oppressed environment.

[chapman]

If you're even going to do this series MU should have gotten at least one more home game out of the deal.  UW has an 8 for 2 contract with UWGB over 10 years. 

Not sure if the money was different or what.  Just a couple years ago we were holding firm that we would not do anything less than UW's 4-for-1 arrangement with UWM or UWGB.  Now we seem to have caved completely to meet UWGB's demand and did the same to extend the pointless UWM series. 

[GOMU1104]

Not sure if the money was different or what.  Just a couple years ago we were holding firm that we would not do anything less than UW's 4-for-1 arrangement with UWM or UWGB.  Now we seem to have caved completely to meet UWGB's demand and did the same to extend the pointless UWM series. 

I attribute alot of this to better relationships between the parties involved.

[77ncaachamps]

I'm thinking:

- It solves the problem of filling the schedule
- It probably has to do with travel expenses and cutting them down
- Keeping the Cheese State on lockdown by beating the UWMs and UWGBs of the world and occasionally the Badgers

[lurch91]

I'm thinking:

- It solves the problem of filling the schedule
- It probably has to do with travel expenses and cutting them down
- Keeping the Cheese State on lockdown by beating the UWMs and UWGBs of the world and occasionally the Badgers

That's all well and good - but MU should have at least gotten a 3 for 1 out of each.  Each of these series are replacing buy games where MU doesn't have to make a trip ANYWHERE.  The buy games are all home games.

[LON]

Come to an Appleton or Green Bay bar with me and watch the UW-Oshkosh grads root on UW against MU because they think they're somehow tangentially also a UW grad and because Important People have all told them that MU is just a bunch of hyper wealthy elitists.

I'm from Appleton and this is 100% true.