Author Topic: E. Williams (Read 14919 times)

schubert33 · « **on:** November 17, 2009, 09:04:53 PM »

Is he really that burried on the bench. Can they still redshirt him? I thought as long as a player doesn't play after the 8 game they can still redshirt.

HoopDreams · « **Reply #1 on:** November 17, 2009, 09:05:27 PM »

Frozena in before williams. Wow. Any ideas why?

Markusquette · « **Reply #2 on:** November 17, 2009, 09:08:35 PM »

I'm confused as well

schubert33 · « **Reply #3 on:** November 17, 2009, 09:08:57 PM »

Quote from: HoopDreams on November 17, 2009, 09:05:27 PM

Frozena in before williams. Wow. Any ideas why?

Something has got to be up...

chapman · « **Reply #4 on:** November 17, 2009, 09:11:04 PM »

They can take some time to see what they have before deciding on the redshirt. But even then you'd think he would get on the floor while he still can. Very strange. Also strange how little we seem to hear from Buzz about him. If he just needs work, I think he gets redshirted. Buzz seemed to indicate it was a waste not to redshirt Fulce and Otule last year. Considering the depth we can afford to save a year of eligibility if it helps EWill realize his potential.

Hards Alumni · « **Reply #5 on:** November 17, 2009, 09:11:55 PM »

speculation:

doesnt get the offense, doesnt work in practice...

/speculation

he is a freshman and fro is a senior IIRC.

I wouldnt read too much into it.

Blackhat · « **Reply #6 on:** November 17, 2009, 09:13:47 PM »

E Will is Buzz's guy. He's probably not going to play him until he's good and ready, is a soft spoken kid maybe he doesn't want to play him until he feels he ready to have some success. Judging by his limited play I'd say he's good enough to be getting some time in these non conference games so it is a little interesting.

Golden Avalanche · « **Reply #7 on:** November 17, 2009, 09:14:25 PM »

Quote from: schubert33 on November 17, 2009, 09:08:57 PM

Something has got to be up...

If Tom Crean was still here, this would be the point where we would start the "run-off" conversation, right?

The Williams's's's's's's's's go back a long time. Many would have you believe that Erik stayed with MU rather then Indiana because of Buzz. It's very, very early but if no playing time by the end of the South Dakota game there could be something to it.

MarquetteDano · « **Reply #8 on:** November 17, 2009, 09:14:35 PM »

I also thought it was weird that the broadcast had the "New Faces of Marquette" and failed to mentioned EWill. Not reading anything into it but for a Top 100 recruit you think they could put his name up there at least.

Hopefully he will get some minutes as the season progresses. Fortunately we are stacked at forward right now so we can wait for him to be ready.

Boone · « **Reply #9 on:** November 17, 2009, 09:18:56 PM »

How "good and ready" does he have to be to play the last couple minutes in a blowout vs. UMES? If he's not good and ready for that, then he's in trouble. More likely, he isn't playing him b/c he's not practicing like Buzz wants him to.

schubert33 · « **Reply #10 on:** November 17, 2009, 09:19:55 PM »

Quote from: Boone on November 17, 2009, 09:18:56 PM

How "good and ready" does he have to be to play the last couple minutes in a blowout vs. UMES? If he's not good and ready for that, then he's in trouble. More likely, he isn't playing him b/c he's not practicing like Buzz wants him to.

I couldn't agree more!!!

Blackhat · « **Reply #11 on:** November 17, 2009, 09:21:57 PM »

I don't think a lot of you posters understand how strong the relationship is between Buzz Williams and Erik Williams.

HoopDreams · « **Reply #12 on:** November 17, 2009, 09:22:33 PM »

Gotta be tough to see a walk on get in before you. Why not just put him in for a few minutes and let him try and get comfortable out there?

Boone · « **Reply #13 on:** November 17, 2009, 09:28:20 PM »

So, top 100 recruit Erik's not "ready to have success" vs. UMES, but walk-on Frozena is?

Henry Sugar · « **Reply #14 on:** November 17, 2009, 09:29:11 PM »

Quote from: HoopDreams on November 17, 2009, 09:22:33 PM

Gotta be tough to see a walk on get in before you. Why not just put him in for a few minutes and let him try and get comfortable out there?

to send a message?

E Will is going to be fine, as well as a productive member of the team before the season is over.

Blackhat · « **Reply #15 on:** November 17, 2009, 09:31:04 PM »

I'm not sure the reason you'd have to ask Buzz. But those suggesting that E Will is getting ready to transfer obviously don't know what's going on.

77ncaachamps · « **Reply #16 on:** November 17, 2009, 09:50:20 PM »

I want to see Erick succeed, but if he has some business to take care of during practice, he'd better get on it now...so he can play in the OOC games.

I don't foresee Buzz holding him out too long.

I predict Erik's playing in the next game...

vacinator · « **Reply #17 on:** November 17, 2009, 10:29:16 PM »

Has Buzz been asked / addressed this question - He played in the last game - so I don't think redshirting is an option.

He is a top 100 kid who seems to have tons of upside but he has played less than RF in the last two games - its not like Maymon and Fulce are tearing things up out there - but they are being allowed to play through their mistakes. It would be nice to see EW get that chance.

MUCam · « **Reply #18 on:** November 17, 2009, 10:53:16 PM »

I find it concerning to the say the least.

Having a walk-on play while you sit on the bench is a slap in the face, to say the least. Unless, of course, there is something else there....

ChicosBailBonds · « **Reply #19 on:** November 17, 2009, 10:54:04 PM »

Quote from: schubert33 on November 17, 2009, 09:04:53 PM

Is he really that burried on the bench. Can they still redshirt him? I thought as long as a player doesn't play after the 8 game they can still redshirt.

If they play in ANY game, they can't redshirt. Football is a little different, but not hoops.

spartan3186 · « **Reply #20 on:** November 17, 2009, 10:59:35 PM »

Chicos is right, barring an injury there will be no redshirts

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/ncaa?ContentID=420

"Each student is allowed no more than four seasons of competition per sport. If you were not a qualifier, you may have fewer seasons of competition available to you. You should know that NCAA rules indicate that any competition, regardless of time, during a season counts as one of your seasons of competition in that sport. It does not matter how long you were involved in a particular competition (for example, one play in a football game, one point in a volleyball match); you will be charged with one season of competition."

I think the 8 game thing applies to injuries

Shack · « **Reply #21 on:** November 18, 2009, 07:05:44 AM »

Quote from: MUCam on November 17, 2009, 10:53:16 PM

I find it concerning to the say the least.

Having a walk-on play while you sit on the bench is a slap in the face, to say the least. Unless, of course, there is something else there....

I agree. Didn't the same thing happen with Hazel last year in a couple of games early on?

nyg · « **Reply #22 on:** November 18, 2009, 07:46:43 AM »

Quote from: Shack on November 18, 2009, 07:05:44 AM

I agree. Didn't the same thing happen with Hazel last year in a couple of games early on?

And that Hazel situation really worked out great last year....... I hope EWill sticks around, must be tough for a Top 100 player to sit in a blow-out, very tough.

dsfire · « **Reply #23 on:** November 18, 2009, 09:17:56 AM »

Hazel actually played a lot last year early. It wasn't until we started getting into the BE season that he was having trouble finding court time.

Nukem2 · « **Reply #24 on:** November 18, 2009, 09:24:09 AM »

Quote from: dsfire on November 18, 2009, 09:17:56 AM

Hazel actually played a lot last year early. It wasn't until we started getting into the BE season that he was having trouble finding court time.

Actually he was playing weel in the BE season; but, then fell into Buzz's doghouse for whatever reason and never played after that prior to announcing his transfer.

GGGG · « **Reply #25 on:** November 18, 2009, 10:05:33 AM »

Guys....it's the second game of his freshman year. I wouldn't worry too much about it.

Big Papi · « **Reply #26 on:** November 18, 2009, 10:23:40 AM »

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on November 18, 2009, 10:05:33 AM

Guys....it's the second game of his freshman year. I wouldn't worry too much about it.

+10000000000000000000000000000000

Countless reasons why he might not have played last night. Do we really have to go over every single scenario as to why he didn't play. Here I will start you out with 10 and we can discuss in detail and then me or others can come up with 10 more and so and so on until we beat this insignificant topic to death.

1. Maybe Frozena just earned it more.
2. Maybe it was an oversight by Buzz.
3. Maybe EWill wasn't feeling good.
4. Maybe EWill made fun of Buzz's haircut.
5. Maybe Ewill skipped a class.
6. Maybe EWill arrived late to practice
7. Maybe Buzz was disgusted with how we execute the end of games.
8. Maybe Frozena is blackmailing Buzz
9. Maybe Buzz thought we had another half.
10. Maybe Buzz thought that butler, Jaymay, Hayward, buycks, DJO, Cooby, Acker needed more work and Buzz is making decisions based on what gives him the best chance to win this year.

GGGG · « **Reply #27 on:** November 18, 2009, 10:34:31 AM »

My guess is that EWill has never really had to work all that hard because he is so athletically gifted that he dominated in everything. I think that is why Maymon has looked a little off at times too. This isn't HS or AAU basketball any longer. It's a tough transition for all but the highest caliber of players.

MU Chi_IL · « **Reply #28 on:** November 18, 2009, 10:36:17 AM »

Maybe Buzz is teaching a young man a lesson about value of hard work and if the light goes on he will play. Expectations are down this year, so people want to see all the freshman play and get "better," but maybe Buzz is teaching him how to be a leader. Maybe Buzz is teaching him the skills he will need for a year or two down the road, and maybe RF is part of that lesson...work hard now, get better and see what happens. A few reports had EWill as a soft spoken kid, maybe a little adversity makes him tougher.

I got to trust the guy(s) that are with EWill everyday. Maybe that is foolish not to second guess a guy two games in, but that is my plan...watch and see where we go.

MerrittsMustache · « **Reply #29 on:** November 18, 2009, 10:43:03 AM »

I remember reading somewhere (JSOnline maybe?) that EWill had been sick for a while and missed (or was limited in) some practices. Falling behind early can be tough especially with so much thrown at a player right away. He may just need some time to get acclimated to the system and/or to get back to feeling 100% and/or "earn" his playing time.

chapman · « **Reply #30 on:** November 18, 2009, 11:16:04 AM »

If it's really about earning playing time, which I don't know if it is, I'm not getting how playing in a blowout against an MEAC team is supposed to be some big thing to be earned. These guys came to play in the Big East, and if it was a treat to play against UMES they would have went to Norfolk State instead. If you want to send a message about earning playing time then hold them out of meaningful playing time, not what boils down to additional practice time.

Lennys Tap · « **Reply #31 on:** November 18, 2009, 11:37:00 AM »

Quote from: Nukem2 on November 18, 2009, 09:24:09 AM

Actually he was playing weel in the BE season; but, then fell into Buzz's doghouse for whatever reason and never played after that prior to announcing his transfer.

Hazel didn't "fall in to the doghouse for whatever reason". He put himself there with his behavior. He was permanently benched and was persona non grata. His transfer was encouraged and welcomed.

seakm4 · « **Reply #32 on:** November 19, 2009, 04:06:09 PM »

I Think EWill is gonna be fine. He's soft spoken and i agree with a bunch of people on here he's got some growing up to do and i have my faith in Buzz if he thinks he needs to sit then by all means sit him.

Nukem2 · « **Reply #33 on:** November 19, 2009, 04:09:30 PM »

Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 18, 2009, 11:37:00 AM

Hazel didn't "fall in to the doghouse for whatever reason". He put himself there with his behavior. He was permanently benched and was persona non grata. His transfer was encouraged and welcomed.

I was trying to say that more kindly than you did... $:-\$

Lennys Tap · « **Reply #34 on:** November 19, 2009, 04:19:52 PM »

Quote from: Nukem2 on November 19, 2009, 04:09:30 PM

I was trying to say that more kindly than you did... $:-\$

Sorry I misunderstood. Your post seemed to infer something unfortunate "happening" to Pat (somehow "fell" into the doghouse). Just wanted to set the record straight that he "jumped".

El Duderino · « **Reply #35 on:** November 19, 2009, 08:04:10 PM »

Williams seems very quiet and probably needs to gain some strength before being ready to get any regular minutes. Maybe in practice Williams has been getting owned by guys who are simply physically stronger than he is and he's got timid from this? Not all athletes have that built in super aggressive nature and can have their confidence shaken somewhat if they struggle, especially if say he's getting physically pushed around in practice. I'm not claiming to know that this is the case with Williams, but it seems quite possible given his slim frame and soft spoken nature.

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Author Topic: E. Williams (Read 14919 times)