Greg Paulus to ... the Packers?

[Ari Gold]

A. Rodgers will be throwing the pigskin for the Pack for many years.  He wasn't the reason for the poor season last year, anyone with football knowledge knows that.

Right Rodgers wasn't the only reason the packers were 6-10. But if you want him to throw for years to come then you're ok with having a mediocre team that will consistantly finish second or third in the division, Rodgers won't be a  since the Vikings have a premier offensive player and are a QB away from winning the divsion and the Bears are a reciever or two away from doing the same. All the teams are improving, while the Packers are stagnant. . The Packer run game couldn't find the endzone last year, and they are in desperate need of the third and fourth WR (Nelson and Jones) stepping up. Switching to a 3-4 D should help because the I think the LBs are the best part of the Defense. If they could inject some youth into the secondary their should be some improvements there.

[IAmMarquette]

Right Rodgers wasn't the only reason the packers were 6-10. But if you want him to throw for years to come then you're ok with having a mediocre team that will consistantly finish second or third in the division, Rodgers won't be a  since the Vikings have a premier offensive player and are a QB away from winning the divsion and the Bears are a reciever or two away from doing the same. All the teams are improving, while the Packers are stagnant. . The Packer run game couldn't find the endzone last year, and they are in desperate need of the third and fourth WR (Nelson and Jones) stepping up. Switching to a 3-4 D should help because the I think the LBs are the best part of the Defense. If they could inject some youth into the secondary their should be some improvements there.

What about Rodgers' performance last year leads you to believe that the Packers will be a "mediocre team?"
The 4038 yards passing?
The 28TDs (and just 13INTs)?
The 63.6% completion rate?
The 93.8 QB rating?
The fact that he played through an injured throwing shoulder?
Or was it something else listed in his other stats and splits listed here: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/splits?playerId=8439 that left a sour taste in your mouth?

You touched on the Packers' major issue(s): Defense (and a general inability to get the running game going--imagine what Rodgers could do with an actual ground threat behind him).

[Mayor McCheese]

Right Rodgers wasn't the only reason the packers were 6-10. But if you want him to throw for years to come then you're ok with having a mediocre team that will consistantly finish second or third in the division, Rodgers won't be a  since the Vikings have a premier offensive player and are a QB away from winning the divsion and the Bears are a reciever or two away from doing the same. All the teams are improving, while the Packers are stagnant. . The Packer run game couldn't find the endzone last year, and they are in desperate need of the third and fourth WR (Nelson and Jones) stepping up. Switching to a 3-4 D should help because the I think the LBs are the best part of the Defense. If they could inject some youth into the secondary their should be some improvements there.

I get it... his last name isn't Favre, so he won't ever measure up.  But you mentioned about 4 or 5 things wrong with the Packers last year... Rodgers was just fine. 

The Bears are a receiver away from winning the division.. however what about their aging defense that isn't getting any younger.

The Vikings are a QB away from winning the division, but as many Bears fans on this board will tell you... that may never come



Its a three team race in the NFC North, and I don't see the Packers as being that far away from winning it.

[Ari Gold]

I get it... his last name isn't Favre, so he won't ever measure up.  But you mentioned about 4 or 5 things wrong with the Packers last year... Rodgers was just fine. 

The Bears are a receiver away from winning the division.. however what about their aging defense that isn't getting any younger.

The Vikings are a QB away from winning the division, but as many Bears fans on this board will tell you... that may never come



Its a three team race in the NFC North, and I don't see the Packers as being that far away from winning it.

In all honesty I favored Rodger's over Favre. I'm saying that I don't think A Rodg will be an elite quarterback, that could easily lead the Packers deep into the playoffs. Right he had a great statistical year, he blew Ben Roethlisberger out of the water, but which one was in the Super Bowl? I don't think A-Rodgers has the intangibles to take the team that far.

As for the Bears- the packers D isnt getting any younger either -look at the secondary-
Vikings- the bear's aren't a great litmus test for judging quarterbacks

[Mayor McCheese]

You don't have to be a great QB to make it to the super bowl, or even a Qb with intangibles, a football team is much more than a QB.

Trent Dilfer has a ring as a starting QB


I could give more examples.. but no need.

Lets face it, the QB position might be the LEAST of the Packers worries right now.

[Hards Alumni]

Ari, do you understand football at all?

[GGGG]

I don't think A-Rodgers has the intangibles to take the team that far.

What does that mean?  What "intangibles" doesn't he have?  To me, this is a statement that you make when you don't like someone but can't think of a legitimate reason to justify it.

[IAmMarquette]

What does that mean?  What "intangibles" doesn't he have?  To me, this is a statement that you make when you don't like someone but can't think of a legitimate reason to justify it.

Agreed. But for fun, let's list some possible "intangibles"

1. Plays hurt. Check.
2. Handles adversity well. Check (see AR's response/reaction to the whole Favre fiasco).

Those are 2 big ones, and I came up with them in about 15seconds.

[Mayor McCheese]

Agreed. But for fun, let's list some possible "intangibles"

1. Plays hurt. Check.
2. Handles adversity well. Check (see AR's response/reaction to the whole Favre fiasco).

Those are 2 big ones, and I came up with them in about 15seconds.

3.  Can grow a rockin' mullet... Check
4.  Can grow a rockin' stache... Check

What else do you need?

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3.  Can grow a rockin' mullet... Check
4.  Can grow a rockin' stache... Check

What else do you need?

Some pictures being really drunk.

[Ari Gold]

7 of the Packers' 10 losses were by 5 points or less. Some of that has to signify Rodger's inability to take the game into his hands late and lead the team. If you can't lead a late drive, you're gonna, lose ball games.  I'm gonna call it. I don't think Rodgers has what it takes to take to take the packers to the

Is the QB position the packers' biggest worry? Hell no but a lil bit down the line, they are gonna have to address it

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Is the QB position the packers' biggest worry? Hell no but a lil bit down the line, they are gonna have to address it

Why? Rodgers just played his first full season and played better than the majority of NFL quarterbacks. So the Packers need to address this need in 2-3 years?

[Mayor McCheese]

7 of the Packers' 10 losses were by 5 points or less. Some of that has to signify Rodger's inability to take the game into his hands late and lead the team. If you can't lead a late drive, you're gonna, lose ball games.  I'm gonna call it. I don't think Rodgers has what it takes to take to take the packers to the

Is the QB position the packers' biggest worry? Hell no but a lil bit down the line, they are gonna have to address it

Or the 7 of 10 losses being by 5 points or less could signify the defense's inability to stop the opposing team from creating a 2 minute drill score to win the game.  No no... must be Rodgers

[GGGG]

Or the 7 of 10 losses being by 5 points or less could signify the defense's inability to stop the opposing team from creating a 2 minute drill score to win the game.  No no... must be Rodgers

To your point:

Against Tampa, they had a lead before the Bucs scored ten points in the last 2:30.
Tennessee won in overtime - Packers never got the ball
Minnesota they lost on a missed Crosby FG
Against Carolina, Crosby hits a FG just after the two minute warning, only to have Carolina come back and score a TD
Houston kicks a FG as time expired
Jacksonville scores a TD inside the two minute warning

So in five of the losses, the Packer defense gave up a lead within the last 2:30 of the game (or OT) and in another he drove them into place but Crosby missed the FG.

[GGGG]

And I forgot the at Chicago game where Crosby's 38 yard FG was blocked with 18 seconds to go.

But I guess that was Rodgers' fault too.

[jmayer1]

Is the QB position the packers' biggest worry? Hell no but a lil bit down the line, they are gonna have to address it

Haha.  You seriously have absolutely no clue about football.  If you think the Packers will have to address the qb situation a couple years down the line then just about every team in football will have to do the same.

Based on his season last year and assuming he continues to improve and stays healhty, the only QBs I would definitely take over Rodgers for the next 3-5 years would be:

Manning
Brady (assuming he's healthy again)
Brees
Rivers

In the words of Bill Simmons...."that's it, that's the whole list."

There are about 5 other guys you could prolly argue that are on the same level as Rodgers for that time period.  So I guess, besides the Packers, there are 27 other NFL teams that need to address the QB position sometime down the line.

[SaintPaulWarrior]

And I forgot the at Chicago game where Crosby's 38 yard FG was blocked with 18 seconds to go.

But I guess that was Rodgers' fault too.

If he was the holder it would have been his fault.

[Ari Gold]

To your point:

Against Tampa, they had a lead before the Bucs scored ten points in the last 2:30.
Tennessee won in overtime - Packers never got the ball
Minnesota they lost on a missed Crosby FG
Against Carolina, Crosby hits a FG just after the two minute warning, only to have Carolina come back and score a TD
Houston kicks a FG as time expired
Jacksonville scores a TD inside the two minute warning

So in five of the losses, the Packer defense gave up a lead within the last 2:30 of the game (or OT) and in another he drove them into place but Crosby missed the FG.

To your point
Tampa Bay - Rodgers had 3ints all of which TB scored on resulting possession
Atlanta- Rodgers' late int put the game out of reach when Atlanta scored on the next possession
New Orleans - team beaten badly but Rodger's three ints probably didnt help.
Minnesota - Total of 142 yards passing -suppose everyone deserves an off week-
Jaguars- Interception during final drive costs  (following that drive you highlighted)

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If he was the holder it would have been his fault.

The laces were out?

Finkle is Einhorn. Einhorn is Finkle. Einhorn is a MAN!?

[marquette09]

A Rodg

Honestly, are you that increadibly lazy to type out the letters "ers"? 

[Hards Alumni]

To your point
Tampa Bay - Rodgers had 3ints all of which TB scored on resulting possession
Atlanta- Rodgers' late int put the game out of reach when Atlanta scored on the next possession
New Orleans - team beaten badly but Rodger's three ints probably didnt help.
Minnesota - Total of 142 yards passing -suppose everyone deserves an off week-
Jaguars- Interception during final drive costs  (following that drive you highlighted)

To your point:
You don't get football if you think those games were his fault.

[GOMU1104]

Honestly, are you that increadibly lazy to type out the letters "ers"? 

Its his nickname

[GGGG]

To your point
Tampa Bay - Rodgers had 3ints all of which TB scored on resulting possession
Atlanta- Rodgers' late int put the game out of reach when Atlanta scored on the next possession
New Orleans - team beaten badly but Rodger's three ints probably didnt help.
Minnesota - Total of 142 yards passing -suppose everyone deserves an off week-
Jaguars- Interception during final drive costs  (following that drive you highlighted)

Uh....you said that Rodgers couldn't lead fourth quarter comebacks.  Even if I grant you Tampa, you can't expect any quarterback to dig you out of holes very often that the defense put you in in during the last two minutes.  Hell, Favre didn't do that all that often.  Furthermore, twice the special teams flat let them down when he actually *did* put them in position to win.

[Dish]

Based on his season last year and assuming he continues to improve and stays healhty, the only QBs I would definitely take over Rodgers for the next 3-5 years would be:

Manning
Brady (assuming he's healthy again)
Brees
Rivers

In the words of Bill Simmons...."that's it, that's the whole list."

There are about 5 other guys you could prolly argue that are on the same level as Rodgers for that time period.  So I guess, besides the Packers, there are 27 other NFL teams that need to address the QB position sometime down the line.

Roethlisberger, Cutler, Ryan would fall ahead of Rodgers on that first tier. Rodgers would arguably be at the top of that next tier you mentioned (Rodgers, Eli, Romo, Palmer).

Bottomline is the NFC North is wide open between the Bears, Packers, Vikings. Each team still has holes going into the year. Schedules are all fairly similar, with the slightest of edges going the Bears way. Injuries will play a major role in who wins the North this year. Significant injury to Rodgers, Cutler, Peterson will drastically sway things.

[jmayer1]

Roethlisberger, Cutler, Ryan would fall ahead of Rodgers on that first tier. Rodgers would arguably be at the top of that next tier you mentioned (Rodgers, Eli, Romo, Palmer).

Bottomline is the NFC North is wide open between the Bears, Packers, Vikings. Each team still has holes going into the year. Schedules are all fairly similar, with the slightest of edges going the Bears way. Injuries will play a major role in who wins the North this year. Significant injury to Rodgers, Cutler, Peterson will drastically sway things.

Agreed about the injuries.  It should be a fun race in the NFC North next year, who know maybe the Lions will even win a game.

However, I don't think I would definitely take any of those 3 you mentioned over Rodgers at this point.  Roethlisberger obviously has two rings, but to say he led them to those titles would be a bit of an overstatement (similar to Bradshaw).  Cutler makes a lot of foolish mistakes (very similar to early Favre) and wasn't able to overcome a generous defense to lead his team to more victories than losses (the same as Rodgers).  Ryan had a good rookie year but also hasn't show the ability to make a ton of huge plays yet.  I think all those guys are just about on the same level right now, but that could all change in a year.  Stats don't always tell the whole story but they do help and Rodgers did put up some pretty good ones last year.

I obviously wasn't including any of the older guys (McNabb, Warner, Hassleback, Delhomme) as I don't think they have many more years in them.