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bma725 · « **on:** March 30, 2009, 07:08:09 PM »

Darius Smith just committed to UConn.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/highschool/chi-090329-darius-smith-commits-connecticut,0,3207006.story

Jam Chowder · « **Reply #1 on:** March 30, 2009, 07:17:48 PM »

Dang. Didn't seem like we were really ever that close to landing the guy, but it sure would have been nice.

Tom Crean's Tanning Bed · « **Reply #2 on:** March 30, 2009, 07:19:03 PM »

It's a CPL recruit. Nothing surprises me with how wacky some of their recruiting processes turn out.

Could sure use another 2 guard sooner than later, though.

Markusquette · « **Reply #3 on:** March 30, 2009, 07:21:36 PM »

let's get big daddy kane

Pakuni · « **Reply #4 on:** March 30, 2009, 07:55:39 PM »

Tony Bennett would have landed him at MU.

Aughnanure · « **Reply #5 on:** March 30, 2009, 08:00:07 PM »

bank it for 2010

ChicosBailBonds · « **Reply #6 on:** March 30, 2009, 08:04:13 PM »

Quote from: Pakuni on March 30, 2009, 07:55:39 PM

Tony Bennett would have landed him at MU.

I just hope we start getting a few lChicago kids in the near future. It's been a little while and if Buzz leaves when he's offered the Lakers job or North Carolina or wherever, that Texas pipeline may not be around much longer while the local \ Chicago kids wonder where MU has been.

Now, it appears Buzz is recruiting Chicago hard based on press reports. That's great to know because the last thing I want to see is us ignoring the talent close by. Buzz has landed some Wisconsin kids which is terrific because they are high level Wisconsin kids. Hopefully some Chicago kids coming soon as well.

Personally, I'd sit on the schollie unless there is a definite winner left. Too many projects by Crean just to fill a class. Enough of that.

Blackhat · « **Reply #7 on:** March 30, 2009, 08:47:42 PM »

Need to get a coach on staff who can land Chicago kids/is a local or has deep connections. The well has dried up.

bma725 · « **Reply #8 on:** March 30, 2009, 09:54:52 PM »

Quote from: Stone Cold on March 30, 2009, 08:47:42 PM

Need to get a coach on staff who can land Chicago kids/is a local or has deep connections. The well has dried up.

Not that simple. Benford has great connections in Chicago. Smith committed to UConn sight unseen. He hasn't made a visit, hasn't even met with Calhoun and first met someone from their staff last week. There's much more at play here than just having a connection.

Buzz4Prez · « **Reply #9 on:** March 30, 2009, 09:57:37 PM »

I would pass on Kane, something is fishy about him.

As for Darius Smith, I completely agree that there is something beyond what we all see going on here. I have a feeling this wasn't good old fashion recruiting going on.

ChicosBailBonds · « **Reply #10 on:** March 30, 2009, 10:21:04 PM »

Quote from: Buzz4Prez on March 30, 2009, 09:57:37 PM

I would pass on Kane, something is fishy about him.

As for Darius Smith, I completely agree that there is something beyond what we all see going on here. I have a feeling this wasn't good old fashion recruiting going on.

He has a chance to play for a Final Four team and a Hall of Fame coach.

Boone · « **Reply #11 on:** March 30, 2009, 10:53:46 PM »

Our backup guards heading into next year are undersized and under talented. We can't afford to bank a scholarship. We desperately need to land a good combo guard this spring.

Tugg Speedman · « **Reply #12 on:** March 30, 2009, 10:59:18 PM »

Darius was interviewed on Chicago Tribune Live. He laid out his entire thought process, complete with pictures! (seriously he drew pictures of all the schools logos to explain his process! It literally looks like he drew them with crayons!)

Here was his final 10 ... in order

10. UCLA
9. IU
8. Duke
7. Memphis
6. Mizzou
5. Kentucky
4. MU
3. Cincy
2. Arizona State
1. Uconn

He said the final three were all "cool schools with high level recruits." The final two he said he liked their styles of play.

TJ · « **Reply #13 on:** March 31, 2009, 12:16:01 AM »

Quote from: Boone on March 30, 2009, 10:53:46 PM

Our backup guards heading into next year are undersized and under talented. We can't afford to bank a scholarship. We desperately need to land a good combo guard this spring.

As of right now, there's no scholarship to bank. Someone would have to be removed from next year's roster to make room for a combo guard. Are we that sure that someone's leaving this offseason?

Blackhat · « **Reply #14 on:** March 31, 2009, 12:16:07 AM »

Quote from: bma725 on March 30, 2009, 09:54:52 PM

Not that simple. Benford has great connections in Chicago. Smith committed to UConn sight unseen. He hasn't made a visit, hasn't even met with Calhoun and first met someone from their staff last week. There's much more at play here than just having a connection.

I know Benford gets a pat on the back from the Bullseye Bros. but those great connections don't have us leading/getting in the door with the Chicago elite as of yet. As of now the Chicago well is dry we'll see if Benford has the chops.

MilWarrior · « **Reply #15 on:** March 31, 2009, 12:51:49 AM »

Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 30, 2009, 10:59:18 PM

Darius was interviewed on Chicago Tribune Live. He laid out his entire thought process, complete with pictures! (seriously he drew pictures of all the schools logos to explain his process! It literally looks like he drew them with crayons!)

Here was his final 10 ... in order

10. UCLA
9. IU
8. Duke
7. Memphis
6. Mizzou
5. Kentucky
4. MU
3. Cincy
2. Arizona State
1. Uconn

He said the final three were all "cool schools with high level recruits." The final two he said he liked their styles of play.

How could anyone enjoy Arizona State's slow it down style of play? Weird he grouped those two together because their tempos are almost exactly opposite from what I've seen.

The Man in Gold · « **Reply #16 on:** March 31, 2009, 02:32:00 AM »

We are behind Cincy? That makes me cry on the inside.

nyg · « **Reply #17 on:** March 31, 2009, 05:14:30 AM »

All the major recruiting sites and discussions here never even mentioned UCONN as a possibility. How did this come about? Strange, usually there is some smoke before the fire.

willie warrior · « **Reply #18 on:** March 31, 2009, 05:33:32 AM »

Committing to UCONN sight unseen? I cannot believe it. Now we are losing recruits in our own backyard to the BE powers out east.

When will we wake up and smell the coffee? We have to get some stability in our coaching staff. We do not stand much of a chance with the big boys when we have an unknown name at MU.

We have to do better.

nyg · « **Reply #19 on:** March 31, 2009, 05:45:48 AM »

Maybe the staff is just in a drought right now in the last four recruits. Snaer, Riley, Wilson and Smith. So close, yet....

Anyone know where Buzz went last week on his recruiting trail?

Tugg Speedman · « **Reply #20 on:** March 31, 2009, 06:29:29 AM »

Quote from: willie warrior on March 31, 2009, 05:33:32 AM

Committing to UCONN sight unseen? I cannot believe it. Now we are losing recruits in our own backyard to the BE powers out east.

When will we wake up and smell the coffee? We have to get some stability in our coaching staff. We do not stand much of a chance with the big boys when we have an unknown name at MU.

We have to do better.

What! Stability? Should we fire more people to get stability? And please define a "big boy" I guess none of our current recruits above qualify as a "big boy."

Mr. Basketball from WI is not a "big boy"? No Wilson is. Nevermind that Wilson is not Mr. Basketball and Maymom schooled him recently. nope, Buzz is a failure for taking the best player in the state and letting (arguably) the second best player slip to the worst school in the Pac-10 some 2,000 miles away.

A first team all-state forward from Texas is not a "big boy"?

A four star PG and a highly regarded JC guard are not "big boys"

I guess the best players from Texas and WI are busts and a criminal that draws pictures with crayons to explain his recruiting decision (again, see the tape of him on Chicago Tribune Live) and decides to go to a school that is getting busted for recruiting violations that he never visited or even talked to is another sign Buzz is a failure?

Can we go back to complaining about calling TOs? The BB IQ on this board is dropping by the hour.

reinko · « **Reply #21 on:** March 31, 2009, 06:39:48 AM »

Quote from: nyg on March 31, 2009, 05:14:30 AM

All the major recruiting sites and discussions here never even mentioned UCONN as a possibility. How did this come about? Strange, usually there is some smoke before the fire.

Not to mention the cloud of NCAA investigation looming. So I guess that begs the question, what did Calhoun and the boosters do to attract him to UCONN??

~Mom given a house and a new job
~Given a duffle bag full of cash
~Dad given a new tractor

ecompt · « **Reply #22 on:** March 31, 2009, 06:55:51 AM »

hope Darius enjoys probation. But if he's good with crayons at least he will be able to pass the Coloring courses UConn players take. They would take Computer classes but Price and Mo Williams stole all the equipment.

MR.HAYWARD · « **Reply #23 on:** March 31, 2009, 06:59:55 AM »

What a soory bunch of sour grapes here. People are now calling Darius Smith a criminal for commiting to UConn? Wow. Questioning how he can possibly do this sight unseen. Did anyone actually settle down for long enough to consider that Uconn has arguably the best 10 year run of any school in the country? and do to this they can basically pick and choose who they offer; knowing that most offers are except sight seen or unseen. Take a deep breath people.

ecompt · « **Reply #24 on:** March 31, 2009, 07:03:53 AM »

"knowing that most offers are except sight seen or unseen."
Classic. Right out of the Creed.

bilsu · « **Reply #25 on:** March 31, 2009, 07:39:24 AM »

It takes time for a staff to build connections. Usually you start recruiting players well before their senior year.

willie warrior · « **Reply #26 on:** March 31, 2009, 07:41:03 AM »

Big Boys: UCONN, Pitt, Louisville, Villanova, Syracuse, Georgetown, etc.

And we have missed out on some pretty good talent lately: snaer, Ruley, Smith, and Colvin who picked ia. State.

Buzz needs to step it up to keep up with UCONN, Pitt, Villanova, etI hope you have noticed that these teams did better than us in the dance this tear.

MR.HAYWARD · « **Reply #27 on:** March 31, 2009, 07:52:49 AM »

Also for the people making criminal accusations of Uconn adn Darius for him commiting did you make those same accusations of Jimmy Butler at this time last year, as he committed without ever visiting. Just wondering.

reinko · « **Reply #28 on:** March 31, 2009, 07:55:03 AM »

Quote from: willie warrior on March 31, 2009, 07:41:03 AM

Big Boys: UCONN, Pitt, Louisville, Villanova, Syracuse, Georgetown, etc.

And we have missed out on some pretty good talent lately: snaer, Ruley, Smith, and Colvin who picked ia. State.

Buzz needs to step it up to keep up with UCONN, Pitt, Villanova, etI hope you have noticed that these teams did better than us in the dance this tear.

What the hell does step it up mean? Are you infering he isn't trying his hardest to get this talent? MU has been in the BE for 4 years, and we have had a head coach on the job for less than a year. He brought in a top 20 recruiting class for 2009-2010, best player in his home state, the best JUCO, a top 5 PG, but in your eyes he has to step it up?

Please.

NYWarrior · « **Reply #29 on:** March 31, 2009, 07:55:29 AM »

Quote from: willie warrior on March 31, 2009, 07:41:03 AM

And we have missed out on some pretty good talent lately: snaer, Ruley, Smith, and Colvin who picked ia. State.

Buzz needs to step it up to keep up with UCONN, Pitt, Villanova, etI hope you have noticed that these teams did better than us in the dance this tear.

Hey, you can't get'em all. Still, the last thing we should be complaining about is the quality of the incoming recruiting class that Buzz landed. Outside of Nova, it is likely the BIG EASTs best incoming class.....and I'd imagine Buzz will add one more player to the mix in the coming weeks.

Save your thought for November -- it's easier to recruit when a coach has loads of PT to offer. Let's see what Buzz does with his last '10 tender (though Clark was a great commit for that class & we'll learn more about Bowen in the next 6 months).

pbiflyer · « **Reply #30 on:** March 31, 2009, 07:57:23 AM »

Quote from: reinko on March 31, 2009, 07:55:03 AM

What the hell does step it up mean? Are you infering he isn't trying his hardest to get this talent? MU has been in the BE for 4 years, and we have had a head coach on the job for less than a year. He brought in a top 20 recruiting class for 2009-2010, best player in his home state, the best JUCO, a top 5 PG, but in your eyes he has to step it up?

Please.

That's all he's done on his 350+ days on the job??????? We should have hired Billy Gillespie.

GGGG · « **Reply #31 on:** March 31, 2009, 08:02:12 AM »

Quote from: reinko on March 31, 2009, 07:55:03 AM

What the hell does step it up mean? Are you infering he isn't trying his hardest to get this talent? MU has been in the BE for 4 years, and we have had a head coach on the job for less than a year. He brought in a top 20 recruiting class for 2009-2010, best player in his home state, the best JUCO, a top 5 PG, but in your eyes he has to step it up?

Please.

Agreed. Coaches aren't going to consistently land big classes until they can actually prove they can win. Jay Wright is a perfect example. Starts to win...recruiting gets better...starts to win big...recruiting gets monsterous. Recruits are going to see how Buzz handles the next couple of years. If we keep winning, the classes will get better and better.

Honestly though, if you are Smith and a program like UConn comes calling, you'd be a moron not to consider them knowing their style of play and their history of putting players in the NBA.

Hards Alumni · « **Reply #32 on:** March 31, 2009, 08:03:06 AM »

note to the posters:

MU and UCONN are not on the same level basketball-wise

one has a HOF coach, the other is a 3rd year coach

one has a history of great teams in the last decade or more, the other has one final four run in the last decade or more

one turns out great NBA players consistantly, the other has turned out one unbelievable NBA player and a lot of 'role players'

seriously, have some perspective from the kid's point of view.

Pakuni · « **Reply #33 on:** March 31, 2009, 08:07:15 AM »

Quote from: willie warrior on March 31, 2009, 07:41:03 AM

Big Boys: UCONN, Pitt, Louisville, Villanova, Syracuse, Georgetown, etc.

And we have missed out on some pretty good talent lately: snaer, Ruley, Smith, and Colvin who picked ia. State.

Buzz needs to step it up to keep up with UCONN, Pitt, Villanova, etI hope you have noticed that these teams did better than us in the dance this tear.

Are you kidding me?
Maymon, Williams, Cadougan and Buycks all are/were considered better prospects than anyone on your list outside of Snaer and perhaps "Ruley" (is that Riley?).
Colvin and Smith, while fine players, aren't even rated in the top 100.
Apparently some people like to complain for the sake of complaining.

bma725 · « **Reply #34 on:** March 31, 2009, 08:14:36 AM »

Quote from: willie warrior on March 31, 2009, 07:41:03 AM

Big Boys: UCONN, Pitt, Louisville, Villanova, Syracuse, Georgetown, etc.

And we have missed out on some pretty good talent lately: snaer, Ruley, Smith, and Colvin who picked ia. State.

Buzz needs to step it up to keep up with UCONN, Pitt, Villanova, etI hope you have noticed that these teams did better than us in the dance this tear.

You do realize that Colvin is a fringe top 100 player at best, and Smith is not a top 100 player at all, right? Cadougan, who we actually got a commitment from is a top 40 player. Seems to me, or any one that can actually look at things logically, that we got the best of the three options.

Tugg Speedman · « **Reply #35 on:** March 31, 2009, 08:25:34 AM »

Quote from: MR.HAYWARD on March 31, 2009, 07:52:49 AM

Also for the people making criminal accusations of Uconn adn Darius for him commiting did you make those same accusations of Jimmy Butler at this time last year, as he committed without ever visiting. Just wondering.

Criminal is because he is a top Chicago Public League (CPL) School player. The Sun-Times did a study a few years ago and the top 10 CPL players spent more time in prison or probation than in the NBA, even though they were all prospects. So, yes, I assume top CPL players are criminals until proven otherwise, especially if you need crayons to explain why you're going to Uconn.

See Jamie Brandon, Ronnie Fields, Richard Hamilton (the fat one from Chicago) and Imari Sawyer

Speaking of Sawyer, image the outright whining this board would have had 8 years ago because a new and unproven Tom Crean lost Imari Sawyer to DePaul and took another kid named Dwayne Wade. Just more proof that MU cannot get "the big boys."

Henry Sugar · « **Reply #36 on:** March 31, 2009, 08:38:26 AM »

Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 31, 2009, 08:25:34 AM

So, yes, I assume top CPL players are criminals until proven otherwise, especially if you need crayons to explain why you're going to Uconn.

wow. did you really just write that?

Tugg Speedman · « **Reply #37 on:** March 31, 2009, 08:39:25 AM »

Quote from: Henry Sugar on March 31, 2009, 08:38:26 AM

wow. did you really just write that?

Yes! Look at the record!!

Here is another one ....

Anyone remember Marcetteaus McGee in 2002?

He was from Farragut (CPL). He committed to MU without an offer. (MU had an offer but pulled it at the last minute). So, without missing a beat, he committed to Wisconsin. He lasted maybe a week at Wisconsin before getting arrested for sexual assault and getting kicked off the team.

Big Red flag for anyone that commits to a school without even visiting or talking to the coach before deciding to spend the next four years at that institution, especially if from the CPL.

damuts222 · « **Reply #38 on:** March 31, 2009, 09:19:03 AM »

Since when did expectations erupt. Our incoming class is very good considering the recruits we lost when Crean left I think that Buzz did as best he could in the situation he was put in. The opportunity to start in the BE their freshman year will almost always bring in a good class. The telling years will be the next 2, anyone can win or go far on others recruits, I'm not bashing Buzz its just a fact (ex: Bruce Weber with Williams, Brown, and Luther Head). I believe Buzz deserves more credit he puts in like 15 hr days.

wildbillsb · « **Reply #39 on:** March 31, 2009, 09:25:18 AM »

Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 31, 2009, 06:29:29 AM

What! Stability? Should we fire more people to get stability? And please define a "big boy" I guess none of our current recruits above qualify as a "big boy."

Mr. Basketball from WI is not a "big boy"? No Wilson is. Nevermind that Wilson is not Mr. Basketball and Maymom schooled him recently. nope, Buzz is a failure for taking the best player in the state and letting (arguably) the second best player slip to the worst school in the Pac-10 some 2,000 miles away.

A first team all-state forward from Texas is not a "big boy"?

A four star PG and a highly regarded JC guard are not "big boys"

I guess the best players from Texas and WI are busts and a criminal that draws pictures with crayons to explain his recruiting decision (again, see the tape of him on Chicago Tribune Live) and decides to go to a school that is getting busted for recruiting violations that he never visited or even talked to is another sign Buzz is a failure?

Can we go back to complaining about calling TOs? The BB IQ on this board is dropping by the hour.

Thank you for bringing some sense to this discussion.

GGGG · « **Reply #40 on:** March 31, 2009, 09:26:21 AM »

Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 31, 2009, 08:39:25 AM

Yes! Look at the record!!

Here is another one ....

Anyone remember Marcetteaus McGee in 2002?

He was from Farragut (CPL). He committed to MU without an offer. (MU had an offer but pulled it at the last minute). So, without missing a beat, he committed to Wisconsin. He lasted maybe a week at Wisconsin before getting arrested for sexual assault and getting kicked off the team.

Big Red flag for anyone that commits to a school without even visiting or talking to the coach before deciding to spend the next four years at that institution, especially if from the CPL.

Wow. God forbid we judge people as individuals when it is easier just to classify them in a group.

bma725 · « **Reply #41 on:** March 31, 2009, 09:40:08 AM »

Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 31, 2009, 08:39:25 AM

Yes! Look at the record!!

Here is another one ....

Anyone remember Marcetteaus McGee in 2002?

He was from Farragut (CPL). He committed to MU without an offer. (MU had an offer but pulled it at the last minute). So, without missing a beat, he committed to Wisconsin. He lasted maybe a week at Wisconsin before getting arrested for sexual assault and getting kicked off the team.

Marcettus McGee never committed to MU. He was recruited by MU, but MU backed off well before it got to the point of him making a commitment, and then MU got Karon Bradley.

McGee's final group was UW, Ball State and Miami(Oh).

Pakuni · « **Reply #42 on:** March 31, 2009, 09:41:09 AM »

Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 31, 2009, 08:25:34 AM

Criminal is because he is a top Chicago Public League (CPL) School player. The Sun-Times did a study a few years ago and the top 10 CPL players spent more time in prison or probation than in the NBA, even though they were all prospects. So, yes, I assume top CPL players are criminals until proven otherwise, especially if you need crayons to explain why you're going to Uconn.

See Jamie Brandon, Ronnie Fields, Richard Hamilton (the fat one from Chicago) and Imari Sawyer

Speaking of Sawyer, image the outright whining this board would have had 8 years ago because a new and unproven Tom Crean lost Imari Sawyer to DePaul and took another kid named Dwayne Wade. Just more proof that MU cannot get "the big boys."

Derrick Rose, Kevin Garnett, Luther Head, Juwan Howard, Nick Anderson, Quentin Richardson, Bobby Simmons and Tim Hardaway all went from top players in the Chicago Public League to the NBA,.
Therefore, I am assuming that Darius Smith is a future NBA player.

Tugg Speedman · « **Reply #43 on:** March 31, 2009, 09:59:52 AM »

Quote from: Pakuni on March 31, 2009, 09:41:09 AM

Derrick Rose, Kevin Garnett, Luther Head, Juwan Howard, Nick Anderson, Quentin Richardson, Bobby Simmons and Tim Hardaway all went from top players in the Chicago Public League to the NBA,.
Therefore, I am assuming that Darius Smith is a future NBA player.

Did any of them go on TV with crayon drawings to announce they were going to a school they never visited to play for a coach they have never met?

Pakuni · « **Reply #44 on:** March 31, 2009, 10:06:57 AM »

Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 31, 2009, 09:59:52 AM

Did any of them go on TV with crayon drawings to announce they were going to a school they never visited to play for a coach they have never met?

Beats me.
Is there an established scientific link between using drawings to explain one's college choice while appearing on television and future incarceration?

Tugg Speedman · « **Reply #45 on:** March 31, 2009, 10:10:00 AM »

Quote from: Pakuni on March 31, 2009, 10:06:57 AM

Beats me.
Is there an established scientific link between using drawings to explain one's college choice while appearing on television and future incarceration?

Ok, I'm wrong, Darius Smith is a future Myron Rolle.

Better?

MU B2002 · « **Reply #46 on:** March 31, 2009, 10:19:15 AM »

Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 31, 2009, 08:25:34 AM

See Jamie Brandon, Ronnie Fields, Richard Hamilton (the fat one from Chicago) and Imari Sawyer

I thought a car accident ended Ronnie Fields very promising basketball career not prison?

mr.MUskie · « **Reply #47 on:** March 31, 2009, 10:34:16 AM »

Cully Payne from Schaumburg HS just uncommitted from Alabama. Haven't seen him play, but supposed to be a pretty good guard. He averaged 22 points a game in 16 games this season before suffering a season-ending back injury.

http://basketball.dailyherald.com/story/?id=282908

Tugg Speedman · « **Reply #48 on:** March 31, 2009, 10:43:02 AM »

Quote from: mr.muskie on March 31, 2009, 10:34:16 AM

Cully Payne from Schaumburg HS just uncommitted from Alabama. Haven't seen him play, but supposed to be a pretty good guard. He averaged 22 points a game in 16 games this season before suffering a season-ending back injury.

http://basketball.dailyherald.com/story/?id=282908

His second uncommittment, he backed off a verbal to DePaul before Alabama.

What is the record for uncommittments before signing a LOI?

Bob "Big Daddy" Wild · « **Reply #49 on:** March 31, 2009, 10:54:38 AM »

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 30, 2009, 08:04:13 PM

I just hope we start getting a few lChicago kids in the near future. It's been a little while and if Buzz leaves when he's offered the Lakers job or North Carolina or wherever, that Texas pipeline may not be around much longer while the local \ Chicago kids wonder where MU has been.

Now, it appears Buzz is recruiting Chicago hard based on press reports. That's great to know because the last thing I want to see is us ignoring the talent close by. Buzz has landed some Wisconsin kids which is terrific because they are high level Wisconsin kids. Hopefully some Chicago kids coming soon as well.

Personally, I'd sit on the schollie unless there is a definite winner left. Too many projects by Crean just to fill a class. Enough of that.

I agree with Chicos on Chicago recruiting. Buzz and Benford are definitely recruiting Chicago hard, and I would love to see one sign with MU. The problem is that Illinois locked up so many early oral commitments from Chicagoland area...there wasn't much left to choose from.

I am looking for MU to make a push for Shaw and Blackshear. Would love to get in on one of those guys...

mr.MUskie · « **Reply #50 on:** March 31, 2009, 10:56:06 AM »

The verbal to Depaul was while he was in 8th grade. I think both decommits were due to coaching changes. Alabama head coach Mark Gottfried resigned in January.

Pakuni · « **Reply #51 on:** March 31, 2009, 11:08:51 AM »

Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 31, 2009, 10:43:02 AM

His second uncommittment, he backed off a verbal to DePaul before Alabama.

What is the record for uncommittments before signing a LOI?

Actually, DePaul backed off Payne as much as he backed off DePaul. Wainwright wanted the scholie to go after something other than a small-ish guard, of which DePaul has plenty returning next year.
Wainwright also didn't think the kid was a Big East-level player.

DegenerateDish · « **Reply #52 on:** March 31, 2009, 11:21:10 AM »

Agreed on Payne, he's a nice player, but I don't think he's a Big East or SEC type player.

nyg · « **Reply #53 on:** March 31, 2009, 12:01:10 PM »

http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=8&c=1&nid=3117484

What about this guy? Xavier Thames, who wants out of WSU now that Bennett is gone. Had MU on his list.

Let the dominos keep on falling.

Pakuni · « **Reply #54 on:** March 31, 2009, 12:23:56 PM »

Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 31, 2009, 10:10:00 AM

Ok, I'm wrong, Darius Smith is a future Myron Rolle.

Better?

Sure.
Those are his two options in life: criminal or Rhodes Scholar.
Pretty much no way he can just go off to college, play some ball, take some classes, perhaps even earn a degree along the way or find a way to make money off his basketball skills.
Prison, Oxford or bust.

jmayer1 · « **Reply #55 on:** March 31, 2009, 12:24:21 PM »

Quote from: Pakuni on March 31, 2009, 11:08:51 AM

Wainwright also didn't think the kid was a Big East-level player.

DePaul hasn't had many of those lately

I would take Tucker, Koshwal, or Walker in second though.

SCdem@MU · « **Reply #56 on:** March 31, 2009, 03:46:49 PM »

Quote from: nyg on March 31, 2009, 12:01:10 PM

http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=8&c=1&nid=3117484

What about this guy? Xavier Thames, who wants out of WSU now that Bennett is gone. Had MU on his list.

Let the dominos keep on falling.

When was the last time Marquette got a recruit from CA who hadn't at least spent a part of his life in the Midwest?

Hopefully Milwaukee doesn't get another freak spring snow storm if he visits.

ChicosBailBonds · « **Reply #57 on:** March 31, 2009, 03:53:39 PM »

Quote from: Pakuni on March 31, 2009, 09:41:09 AM

Derrick Rose, Kevin Garnett, Luther Head, Juwan Howard, Nick Anderson, Quentin Richardson, Bobby Simmons and Tim Hardaway all went from top players in the Chicago Public League to the NBA,.
Therefore, I am assuming that Darius Smith is a future NBA player.

I agree, not criminals.....but I'll bet there are probably 50 fathered children from that group.

Kramerica · « **Reply #58 on:** March 31, 2009, 04:01:40 PM »

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 31, 2009, 03:53:39 PM

I agree, not criminals.....but I'll bet there are probably 50 fathered children from that group.

Wow, what's with all the not so subtle racism in this thread?

ChicosBailBonds · « **Reply #59 on:** March 31, 2009, 04:34:26 PM »

Quote from: Kramerica on March 31, 2009, 04:01:40 PM

Wow, what's with all the not so subtle racism in this thread?

Racism???? Excuse me? I didn't realize one's skin color was the requirement to procreate. However, the number of illegitimate kids coming from NBA players....African American and Caucasian.....is staggering.

Tugg Speedman · « **Reply #60 on:** March 31, 2009, 04:43:20 PM »

Quote from: Kramerica on March 31, 2009, 04:01:40 PM

Wow, what's with all the not so subtle racism in this thread?

I also assume you are referring to my criminal comment. Again, according to a study, top CPL players have spent more time in prison or on probation than in the NBA.

By the way, the Chicago Public Schools (CPS) set another dubious record this year, the 29th murder of a CPS student this school occurred about two weeks ago. These schools are bad bad places. Recall "Hoop Dreams and remember that was 15 years ago.

And recall, Obama named Arne Duncan, formerly the head of the CPS, as the secretary of Education. Maybe he'll turn the entire country into the CPS.

Pakuni · « **Reply #61 on:** March 31, 2009, 05:54:51 PM »

Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 31, 2009, 04:43:20 PM

I also assume you are referring to my criminal comment. Again, according to a study, top CPL players have spent more time in prison or on probation than in the NBA.

By the way, the Chicago Public Schools (CPS) set another dubious record this year, the 29th murder of a CPS student this school occurred about two weeks ago. These schools are bad bad places. Recall "Hoop Dreams and remember that was 15 years ago.

And recall, Obama named Arne Duncan, formerly the head of the CPS, as the secretary of Education. Maybe he'll turn the entire country into the CPS.

Of course, the vast, vast majority of those students were killed off campus (and outsider school hours) by non-students.
Rather than those schools being bad, bad places, they're probably the safest places those kids go most days. The truth is that the schools aren't bad, the neighborhoods in which they're located are bad.

By the way, where can I read this study you've been referencing?

MUDPT · « **Reply #62 on:** March 31, 2009, 06:01:56 PM »

I was listening to Boers and Bernstein on the way home from work and the main talk was on DePaul and Jerry. I guess earlier, Bernstein had said DePaul was Marquette or something to that effect. One guy called in and said he was crazy and MU was way ahead of where DePaul was and DePaul was too cheap to be like Marquette. Later, they went over the Illinois roster and showed that Calvin Brock was the only CPS player on their roster. Jason Gough (the producer) made the point that you have to bring bags of cash with you if you want to recruit CPS kids. I don't care if they are from CPS or not, I want the best student-athletes at MU. Seeing that the better players now (see Illinois recruits) or in the past (Jerel or DWade) are not CPS players, I don't really care.

mu-rara · « **Reply #63 on:** April 01, 2009, 10:42:26 AM »

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 31, 2009, 04:34:26 PM

Racism???? Excuse me? I didn't realize one's skin color was the requirement to procreate. However, the number of illegitimate kids coming from NBA players....African American and Caucasian.....is staggering.

Scott Skiles high on that list

Hards Alumni · « **Reply #64 on:** April 01, 2009, 03:46:41 PM »

Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 31, 2009, 04:43:20 PM

I also assume you are referring to my criminal comment. Again, according to a study, top CPL players have spent more time in prison or on probation than in the NBA.

By the way, the Chicago Public Schools (CPS) set another dubious record this year, the 29th murder of a CPS student this school occurred about two weeks ago. These schools are bad bad places. Recall "Hoop Dreams and remember that was 15 years ago.

And recall, Obama named Arne Duncan, formerly the head of the CPS, as the secretary of Education. Maybe he'll turn the entire country into the CPS.

be careful with your words. Bigotry and ignorance are contagious.

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