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Author Topic: [Cracked Sidewalks] Last night proved just how good Marquette was this year  (Read 2016 times)

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Last night proved just how good Marquette was this year

Written by: jpudner@concentricgrasstops.com (bamamarquettefan1)

Duke … welcome to the Big East.

I was almost still too sick from the Missouri loss to watch the games last night, but thank goodness I did.

After watching the four games last tonight, is there any doubt Marquette would have had a shot to win ANY other conference in the US this year except the Big East?

Reflect on last night's games.  Marquette was eliminated from the Big East tournament by Villanova on a last second shot. Last night, that same Villanova team beat the ACC TOURNAMENT CHAMPION DUKE by 23 points.  You're telling me Marquette couldn’t have won the ACC tournament?

Marquette was eliminated from the NCAA tournament in the final seconds by Missouri.  That same Missouri team beat the Conference USA champion Memphis, ranked No. 1 by Pomeroy, by 11 points tonight.  In their six tournament games so far (Big 12 and NCAA), Marquette has been by far their closest challenge – Missouri’s margins in those games have been +21 Texas Tech, +19 Cornell, +13 Baylor, +11 Memphis, +8 Oklahoma State, and only +4 Marquette.

True, Marquette didn’t win the close games against great/hot teams – but the measure of how great this squad was is that they played at an incredible level to make them close games.  Just reflect on how much BETTER Marquette was in their two narrow tournament losses than two No. 2 seeds – Duke and Memphis – were in losing by 11 and 23 points.

Good and bad criticisms

There have been some fair criticisms of MUs team by Chicosbailbonds, Championshipsmatter and others this year that proved accurate – despite the incredible trio at guard, the team couldn’t go deep without a center and with no depth.  Fair enough, those proved to be accurate.

But there are also silly criticisms by others; 1) blaming the Three Amigos instead of a lack of depth/big men for not being able to pull out close games,  2) arguing that if we bloggers stay angry and not content with “mediocre” results it will somehow make the team better as if the team won’t try their hardest unless irate posts are blogged, and finally; 3) no one will remember the Three Amigos because fans only remember deep NCAA runs and Conference and Tournament titles.

Based on that last criteria, how many of Marquette’s seasons are memorable for blogger James?  Assuming a deep run means at least three NCAA wins, so it takes 3 NCAA wins or a conference title to be "memorable," there have been five memorable seasons for James; 1974, 1977, 1994, 1997 and 2003.  So less than one of every 18 seasons is memorable.  Let’s say James considers TWO NCAA wins a deep run – at that point you can add 1955, 1969 and 1976, meaning Marquette has had 8 memorable seasons – less than one in every 11 seasons!

And what of the idea that MU would have had to finish in 1st place of 16 teams in the best conference ever this year for it to be a "memorable," season?  How about the memories from just competing for the title until James' injury in the first conference to ever put FIVE teams in the Sweet 16, three of which already have advanced to the Elite 8.

The bottom line is, anyone who complains about the past four years is spoiled.

Why the last 4 years will be remembered

To understand just how well we’ve had it the past four years, consider this:

Marquette is one of only EIGHT teams in the country (out of 343) to finish the last three seasons ranked.  The others are Kansas, Memphis, UNC, Pitt, UCLA, Louisville and Butler.  No other fans in the country get to root for a team that has finished ranked three years in a row.

As you may recall, MU also got enough votes the Three Amigos freshman year to finish 33rd in the country.  How many teams have received votes in the final AP poll for four years in a row?  Only nine: Duke, Kansas, Memphis, Michigan State, UNC, Pitt, Texas A&M and UCLA.

And I'll say it again - this is the only group that has ever beat 14 ranked teams in a four-year stretch.

Either way, this team will be remembered

Let’s get serious, this team will long be remembered.  If the subsequent team drops in the rankings in the brutal Big East, it could be remembered as the ONLY team besides Pittsburgh to win at least 10 games EVERY year from 2006 to 2009.  No other Big East team has done that all four years, so no other class can compete with Marquette’s graduating class.

If Marquette does go to new heights, the Three Amigos will be remembered as the guys who got Marquette over the Big East hump and made Marquette a place that new recruits would want to go.  Do you really think any of the blue chippers who will be on campus next year would have considered Marquette if the Three Amigos had not shown up and MU had been flattened the first couple of years in the Big East?

Thanks Three Amigos!  Thanks Dwight for giving us our only muscle these past few years.  I really don’t know what we would have done this year without your defensive minutes and ability to muscle up with the likes of Cunningham.

At full strength, you were the No. 8 team in the country, and even with Dominic out/playing hurt, you were on the verge of the Sweet 16 and left it all on the floor in giving us two memorable efforts against a couple of 7-footers, and a Missouri team that has flattened everyone else including Memphis.  Every year 342 of 343 teams end on a down note, but you left it all on the floor the last two years.

For the rest of the year - GO BIG EAST!

http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2009/03/tonight-proves-just-how-good-marquette.html

CAINMUTINY

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+1, Amen to that.

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did not watch the game but +10000000000000000000000000000 how the other 3 big east teams and Mizzou did show how good we were

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What's crazy is that as good as the BE was last night, the conference still needs to win three more games in the NCAA tournament to overachieve their seeding.  Think about that.

For the table in the blog post below, add "3" to the BE number in column three and add "1" to the B12 number to reflect last night's results

http://vbtn.blogspot.com/2009/03/on-pase-conferences-through-two-rounds.html

  • Pitt-Nova will generate at least one more win, and then it's up to Syracuse, UL, and UConn to win two more games.
  • The Big Ten needs two more wins to overachieve expectations, but a win tonight by MSU gets them close
  • The Big Twelve is doing great.
  • The biggest fraud is the ACC, which would still underachieve as a conference by almost two wins even if UNC ran the table and won the NC.  ha
« Last Edit: March 27, 2009, 09:06:57 AM by Henry Sugar »
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+1 on the ACC.  If you look, they have flopped 3 of 4 years in the tourney since the Big East expansion.  I believe in two of the other years they only had ONE team make the Sweet 16, though I'd have to double check that.

Since the expansion, no question there has been a gap between the Big East and ACC.
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Marquette's ranking should be going up even though they are no longer playing.

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Yes, the ranking should go up.  In fact, Marquette is already up to No. 19 according to Pomeroy, with Missouri #6 and UConn #1 prior to today's game.  Marquette's offense is ranked the 8th best in the country and the defense is ranked 50th.  And while clearly the defense sufferred by not having a 6-11 shot blocker back there, particularly at the end of games, they did as well as they could.  Giving up 83 points to Missouri doesn't look that bad after Missouri put up 102 against the #1 ranked defense from Memphis.
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It's finally nice to see some other team give up a career game and allow a 3pt rain fall.  It seems like every game against MU somebody would have a career best and not miss.  Now this Cocker guy from Oklahoma does it against Syracuse with 28 pts (6 for 11 from deep).  He averaged 9ppg before last night.  Anyways, even though I was pulling for the Big East it's nice to see this happen to a team other than Marquette.

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It was especially nice to see it happen against Devendorf. Advice to the women of Syracuse: Get off the streets. The trailer trash is coming home.

 

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