Graduating class of 2009 - Commencement treat - Dick Enberg

[mwbauer7]

Wonderful: http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/commencement/2006

I'm glad this is posted here. Not so I can go back and read the speech again, but so people can see how truly dreadful it was.

I'm quite jealous of the class of 2007- Rushin and 2009- Enberg.

[Joe Thompson]

Could you imagine Gus Johnson giving the commencement... oh man,

"Graduating Class of 2009.... Rise and Fire!"

lolololol......this was great.

[MU111]

That speech was the worst graduation speech in the history of speeches.

Her speech was definitely horrible.  It seemed as though all she did was rattle off a list of her career accomplishments.  I can't remember much else so it must have been good.   

[Chicago_inferiority_complexes]

The guy last year -- I can't even remember his name -- was so offensive(ly bad) that if I were a University bureaucrat I would have asked for an apology. In the first 2 or 3 sentences he talks about how he was accepted to Georgetown University and how great Georgetown is. Later in his speech he talks about ... I can't remember if it was his island or his vacation home on an island. Just obnoxious and offensive and an extreme bore.

[romey]

Enberg, not bad.  I had Captain Kangaroo.

Hey, same year as me!

[SERocks]

I graduated in 1986.  Have no clue who spoke.  It was memorable.

[mu-rara]

Enberg is a pompous windbag.....Oh My,  did I just say that??

Upside, you'll probably get some good Al stories.

[RaleighWarrior]

Hey, same year as me!

hey cool. same year

[San Diego Warrior]

Mr. Rogers was ours (2001).  He said to go out and love your neighbor.  And then we gave him an honorary doctorate from Marquette.

[StillAWarrior]

That speech [in 2006] was the worst graduation speech in the history of speeches.

On behalf of the Class of 1991, I beg to differ.

[gjreda]

On behalf of the Class of 1991, I beg to differ.

The Class of 2008 wants in on this battle.

[BrewCity83]

That speech that Rushin gave in '07 was brilliant.  Everyone who had a crappy speaker should read it and enjoy it is if it were your own.

[Steak]

Wonderful: http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/commencement/2006

I'm glad this is posted here. Not so I can go back and read the speech again, but so people can see how truly dreadful it was.

I'm quite jealous of the class of 2007- Rushin and 2009- Enberg.

A recent independent survey reports that U.S. college graduates are facing the best job market in recent memory. Most employers say there is increased competition to hire new college graduates.

Awesome.

[mu_hilltopper]

..The President is doing ND's commencement this year.

Score one for the Big East.

[ChicosBailBonds]

..The President is doing ND's commencement this year.

Score one for the Big East.

And the alumni are not happy about it, but the students are.

[tower912]

Justice Rehnquist in 1988 may have been the dullest 20 minutes I spent at MU.

[Avenue Commons]

Enberg, not bad.  I had Captain Kangaroo.

Notre Dame has the President. Like him or his politics or not, the leader of the free world is a tough act to beat.

[mu_hilltopper]

And the alumni are not happy about it, but the students are.

That's a pretty big blanket statement.  I'm sure SOME alumni aren't happy, but others are just as happy as the students.     I would think ND would be pretty representative of the nation, plus or minus.    College grads went for Obama 51/49.  Catholics went for Obama 54/45.  Indiana went for Obama 51/49.. Illinois 62%.. Michigan 57% .. Ohio 51%.

Regardless of how comparable those numbers are to the ND alumni base .. suffice it to say, it'd be more accurate to say HALF the ND alumni didn't vote for Obama.  And I'd guess of that half that didn't vote for him, many are still pretty honored the leader of the free world is coming to their university.

[ChicosBailBonds]

That's a pretty big blanket statement.  I'm sure SOME alumni aren't happy, but others are just as happy as the students.   

Fair enough, I was going off of these articles from yesterday

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/03/24/notre_dame_obama_commencement.html?wprss=44

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/religion/post/2009/03/64571525/1

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/03/24/critics-blast-obamas-notre-dame-commencement-address/

etc, etc

[mu_hilltopper]

That website mentioned in the WPost article .. 115,000 signers now.  Of course, since they don't validate that you are an ND alumni, it's basically just a nation-wide "we don't like Obama" list.  No surprise there.

It has been interesting, the debate (which hopefully can be spoken about in non-political ways) .. that Catholics "should" not have voted for Obama.   There's a local guy in MKE that wrote how, basically, Catholics who vote for Obama in November are damned to hell, yadda yadda.

Then 54% of Catholics vote for Obama in the election.  So what does that mean?  54% of Catholics are bad Catholics, immoral?  That over half the flock are out of step, or is it vice versa?  Or should the Catholic church go through another schism, dividing up along political lines?

I tried to get a Jesuit friend to engage on that debate .. no dice.

[MUfan12]

It has been interesting, the debate (which hopefully can be spoken about in non-political ways) .. that Catholics "should" not have voted for Obama.   There's a local guy in MKE that wrote how, basically, Catholics who vote for Obama in November are damned to hell, yadda yadda.

Then 54% of Catholics vote for Obama in the election.  So what does that mean?  54% of Catholics are bad Catholics, immoral?  That over half the flock are out of step, or is it vice versa?  Or should the Catholic church go through another schism, dividing up along political lines?

I tried to get a Jesuit friend to engage on that debate .. no dice.

I'll try to answer this political question as non-politically as possible

54% separate from the Church when it comes to social issues the Church sees as non-negotiable. Abortion, Gay Marriage, etc. In my opinion, what it comes down to is the value people put on the Church's social teachings. They value other aspects, in my experience most notably "social justice" issues, over theses core issues. My hang-up is this- Does this make them "bad Catholics?" No, of course not. But I tend to question their belief a little bit when they can toss aside a MAJOR Church teaching for something as small as a vote.

I'd be curious to see the splits re: regular church attendees vs. Christmas and Easter's. I'd have a feeling that 54% would shrink considerably.

[StillAWarrior]

I tried to get a Jesuit friend to engage on that debate .. no dice.

And would that Jesuit friend be a former classmate?  If so, how's he doing?  Tell him I said hello.

[bucksandy34]

I'll try to answer this political question as non-politically as possible

54% separate from the Church when it comes to social issues the Church sees as non-negotiable.

This isn't entirely true. Again, I know we don't want to turn this into politics, but just because you vote for a candidate does not mean you agree with that candidates entire platform. If that were the case, anyone who voted for Obama OR McCain separated from the Church on major issues. McCain supports the War in Iraq and capital punishment, both of which were spoken out against vehemently by JPII and less so by Benedict XVI. Obama obviously has disagreements with the Church on abortion and marriage issues, but no candidate's platform, at least from any major party, lines up perfectly with the Church, which, among other things, is why the Church does not support any candidate.

Back to the topic on hand, my theology professor said a colleague of his at ND was circulating an e-mail petition to rescind the invite to Obama. I sure hope next year MU gets someone good, at least like Enberg. I don't want to fall asleep!

[BrewCity83]

Justice Rehnquist in 1988 may have been the dullest 20 minutes I spent at MU.

You didn't take the "History of Western Civilization" course?

[MUfan12]

On those issues there is some gray area, whereas the stance on abortion is absolute. JP2 did not "condemn" the war, he opposed it, as does Benedict. There is a big difference there. If the Pope condemns the conflict, those participating are seen to be committing a grave sin. That has not happened, despite the Catholic left's best attempts to put words in the Vatican's mouth.

Obviously, the Church is opposed to capital punishment, but again it's stance is not absolute- http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2267.htm

Obviously, no party or candidate is perfectly in accord with Church teaching. But it's seen as a moral obligation for Catholics to choose the closest match to the core social teachings of the Church.