Author Topic: Are you serious...? (Read 6002 times)

MR.HAYWARD · « **on:** February 16, 2009, 06:45:35 PM »

There are currently 159 people on MUScoop, every day the site for Mcneal and James Senior Class and Bob Cousy awards are available to vote. You can vote 1x a day. I just checked and DJ only has 399 votes, that is simply a terrible representation from MU fans. Please vote for both of these guys every single day when coming to this site.

mu_hilltopper · « **Reply #1 on:** February 16, 2009, 06:55:34 PM »

We will include the DJ link in the next email blast .. that should get him a bunch of votes.

esotericmindguy · « **Reply #2 on:** February 16, 2009, 06:59:30 PM »

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but just because I went to MU does not mean I will vote for Dominic. The cousy award is a special achievement and I could pick at least 4 players that have way outperformed him this year.

77ncaachamps · « **Reply #3 on:** February 16, 2009, 07:05:55 PM »

Quote from: esotericmindguy on February 16, 2009, 06:59:30 PM

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but just because I went to MU does not mean I will vote for Dominic. The cousy award is a special achievement and I could pick at least 4 players that have way outperformed him this year.

Thank you for sharing your opinion.

But if DJ wins, it can only mean more notoriety for the program and for one of the best players to don an MU jersey.

MR.HAYWARD · « **Reply #4 on:** February 16, 2009, 07:12:34 PM »

well for not trying you are doing a pretty good job of it. I can not understand why someone can make the effort to come to this sight every day and not have the time or effort to move his index finger a few times to vote for these two guys that have had such a wonderful impact on MU basketball. Like 77champs says even if there are other guys more derserving it helps MU basketball. Personally who cares if they are more deserving anyway, We are MArquette.

Boy that post has me scratching my head maybe some people just do not get it.

esotericmindguy · « **Reply #5 on:** February 16, 2009, 07:41:01 PM »

Quote from: MR.HAYWARD on February 16, 2009, 07:12:34 PM

well for not trying you are doing a pretty good job of it. I can not understand why someone can make the effort to come to this sight every day and not have the time or effort to move his index finger a few times to vote for these two guys that have had such a wonderful impact on MU basketball. Like 77champs says even if there are other guys more derserving it helps MU basketball. Personally who cares if they are more deserving anyway, We are MArquette.

Boy that post has me scratching my head maybe some people just do not get it.

Maybe we could sit down some time and you could enlighten me? I think that would be great, I mean who cares who wins awards? I think the whole yankee team should go to the all star game because they have the most fans! That makes a lot of sense.

I'm a MU fan, but also a fan of the game...and DJ does not deserve the award, he'd be the first to tell you that.

mwbauer7 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 16, 2009, 07:45:52 PM »

you're asking people to vote, why don't you include a link to each for convenience?

ErickJD08 · « **Reply #7 on:** February 16, 2009, 07:56:37 PM »

Quote from: esotericmindguy on February 16, 2009, 07:41:01 PM

Maybe we could sit down some time and you could enlighten me? I think that would be great, I mean who cares who wins awards? I think the whole yankee team should go to the all star game because they have the most fans! That makes a lot of sense.

I'm a MU fan, but also a fan of the game...and DJ does not deserve the award, he'd be the first to tell you that.

Alums like you kinda suck. I try and help alums whenever I can, but alot of people don't. People like you make our alum base pale in comparison ones like Notre Dame. People may hate ND but I have seen their alums go out of their way and help each other out.

You say "who cares". EXACTLY. It means nothing to you but it means alot to a Marquette brother. Help the guy out.

MUWarrior06 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 16, 2009, 07:58:57 PM »

Quote from: mwbauer7 on February 16, 2009, 07:45:52 PM

you're asking people to vote, why don't you include a link to each for convenience?

+ 1,000,000,000

Blackhat · « **Reply #9 on:** February 16, 2009, 08:12:53 PM »

mr. hayward, etc. do suck. But D James does deserve to be up for the

Cousy award. His display on D and O this year has been exceptional. His assist/turnover ratio is phenomenal.

mu_hilltopper · « **Reply #10 on:** February 16, 2009, 08:15:07 PM »

http://www.cousyaward.com/vote.htm

MUWarrior06 · « **Reply #11 on:** February 16, 2009, 08:18:34 PM »

"The Bob Cousy Award presented by The Hartford is given to the top collegiate male basketball point guard annually spanning across all divisions within the game by the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame. The selection criteria emphasize leadership, team work (like taking 9 threes in a game after you missed 7 of the previous 8? or driving the lane versus 3-4 guys?), success, and fundamentals (like dribbling way too much and falling over as you lose the ball?) as being critical parts for the game of basketball as a point guard. Nominations are solicited from across the country from head coaches and the winner is selected by a Blue Ribbon Selection Committee made up of the biggest names in college basketball. Nominations for the 2009 award have been collected.. Fans can now vote for Award Finalists."

I guess 2/4 ain't bad...

I still voted for him and will continue to do so as I log into this site, but I just think it's rather foolish to think that he is the deserving winner of this award. But, whatever, best of luck to him

patso · « **Reply #12 on:** February 16, 2009, 09:00:00 PM »

DJs great but blind support is unjustified. Teague and Curry are more deserving. McNeal for big east player of the year is a more legitimate argument

Lighthouse 84 · « **Reply #13 on:** February 16, 2009, 09:01:27 PM »

You can actually vote more than once per day. Text from your cell phone, use each computer you have at work and at home AND, if you use any type of program like CCleaner, use it, and then vote again from the same computer.

BrewCity83 · « **Reply #14 on:** February 16, 2009, 09:20:17 PM »

It must suck to be Virgil Buensuceso. He only has SIX VOTES!!

MUCam · « **Reply #15 on:** February 16, 2009, 09:27:46 PM »

Just out of curiosity, for the guys who don't think DJ is deserving...

...How many times have you watched the other finalists play?

Perhaps my assumption is wrong, but I would guess that for most of you guys, your knowledge of the other kids on that list is probably limited to a game or two, plus a bunch of television highlights. I really doubt that anyone has seen enough of all the finalists to really make a fair comparison to DJ. The thing about DJ is you see him constantly so you can nitpick his flaws. Can you do the same with the others???

If you have seen all the finalists equally, then kudos to you. If not, maybe a vote for DJ isn't such a bad thing...

mugrack · « **Reply #16 on:** February 16, 2009, 10:39:55 PM »

Get a life people

TallTitan34 · « **Reply #17 on:** February 17, 2009, 12:56:44 AM »

Dom is only 1600 votes down. With the numbers we have on this site we could get him towards the top if people take the time.

GGGG · « **Reply #18 on:** February 17, 2009, 06:53:40 AM »

Quote from: ErickJD08 on February 16, 2009, 07:56:37 PM

Alums like you kinda suck. I try and help alums whenever I can, but alot of people don't. People like you make our alum base pale in comparison ones like Notre Dame. People may hate ND but I have seen their alums go out of their way and help each other out.

Are you serious? There is not a chance I will vote for DJ, or anybody, for the award because...

...I think the "fan vote" for a post-season award is a dumb idea
...DJ doesn't really deserve it anyway
...It will have no lasting impact on the image of MU basketball.

If you want to take away my alumni card because I don't have the blue and gold blinders on, go right ahead. My Marquette education taught me how to use my brain though, and my brain thinks this is dumb.

The Lens · « **Reply #19 on:** February 17, 2009, 07:34:43 AM »

Teague!!! The next smart decision he makes will be his first. They only beat Duke b/c Duke knocked the ball out with2 sec to go, forcing Gaudio to draw up a play instead of having his players run the O. Wake is a D-U-M-B team.

And Curry? Is the Cousy award an award for spectacular offensive performances?

Has any seen a better defending PG than DJ?
Has anyone seen a better rebounding PG than DJ?
Are you aware he has a 3:1 Assist to Turnover ratio?

Folks, something special is happening at our pG position this season and too many of you haters are missing it.

(Last add...Levance Fields shoots 57% from the line in conf play...do you hate him too?)

Jandern7 · « **Reply #20 on:** February 17, 2009, 07:39:14 AM »

mu_hilltopper · « **Reply #21 on:** February 17, 2009, 07:56:12 AM »

DJ is up to 552 votes, +150 since last night. The email went out last night, people will open it this morning and vote, hopefully.

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The amount of disrespect for DJ is just unbelievable. Here's a guy who will end up #2 all time scoring, top 5 in every other record we hold, easily one of the top 5 PGs, and one could argue the best 4 year PG MU has ever had .. great defender .. great young kid who, every time you see him in public, is just a great representative of MU .. it's just shameful the treatment he gets because of two things. His FTs are poor, and he takes/misses too many 3s.

Well, disrespectors .. you just wait. You're 8 short months away from the post-DJ era. Acker, Coobie, and Junior will be taking those minutes, and it's a 1000% guarantee there will be a substantial drop in probably every statistical PG category y/y. (sans FTs)

The Lens · « **Reply #22 on:** February 17, 2009, 08:04:48 AM »

Quote from: mu_hilltopper on February 17, 2009, 07:56:12 AM

... it's just shameful the treatment he gets because of two things. His FTs are poor, and he takes/misses too many 3s.

Exactly, and yet I never heard people railing on Hutch or Travis for their defensive issues. The court is 94 feet folks.

Canned Goods n Ammo · « **Reply #23 on:** February 17, 2009, 08:12:55 AM »

Players and coaches are rarely appreciated enough when they are here, and their legend grows after they leave.

I love(d) Wade, but he even took his share of heat from the "fans" for his turnovers, lack of jump shooting and risky defense (went for a lot of steals).

However, if you ask about Wade now, everybody will tell you that he was the perfect package at MU, defense, offense, scoring, passing, etc.

Not sure why it happens... but I guess that's just the nature of most fan bases.

lurch91 · « **Reply #24 on:** February 17, 2009, 08:48:33 AM »

Votes as of a few minutes ago:

Player Votes
Stephen Curry-Davidson College 2225
Jonny Flynn-Syracuse University 1865
Sheron Collins-University of Kansas 1613
Darren Collison-UCLA 1365
Patrick Mills-St. Marys College 1257
Ty Lawson-University of North Carolina 1104
Sean Wallis-Washington University 978
Levance Fields-University of Pittsburgh 713
Dominic James-Marquette University 609
AJ Price-University of Connecticut 541
Virgil Buensuceso-BYU Hawaii 528
Eric Maynor-Virginia Commonwealth University 524
Jeff Teague-Wake Forest University 432
Darren Duncan-Merrimack College 297
David Arseneault-Grinnell College 278
Jeremy Pargo-Gonzaga University 199
Toney Douglas-Florida State University 82
Patrick Mills-St. Maryâ€™s College 24
Virgil Buensuceso-BYU â€“ Hawaii 11

Wade for President · « **Reply #25 on:** February 17, 2009, 09:23:00 AM »

I love how people rationalize not voting for an MU player in these polls. I can see the logic in some, but when Sean Wallis of Washington University (you read that correctly), is ahead of DJ, then it's time to act people!

GGGG · « **Reply #26 on:** February 17, 2009, 09:25:07 AM »

Quote from: mu_hilltopper on February 17, 2009, 07:56:12 AM

Well, disrespectors .. you just wait. You're 8 short months away from the post-DJ era. Acker, Coobie, and Junior will be taking those minutes, and it's a 1000% guarantee there will be a substantial drop in probably every statistical PG category y/y. (sans FTs)

Why do you assume that since I don't think DJ is the best PG in the country that I am somehow disrespecting him or putting down his Marquette career?

MR.HAYWARD · « **Reply #27 on:** February 17, 2009, 09:27:56 AM »

I think fans/alums that can sit down and type out a justification for why they wont vote for DJ, over anyone else on this list yet cannot click on the site and then click on DJ and submit is a pure loser. Call it like I see it folks, blather on with a stupid justification about how he is not better than some guy they see on an ESPN highlight yet will not simply double click two times and vote for the guy every day...pure loser.

Smae goes for the fact that Jerel is not getting a vote every day from the same losers.

AlumKCof93 · « **Reply #28 on:** February 17, 2009, 09:40:32 AM »

Can anyone name a better defensive pg at MU in the past 20 yrs?

MUCam · « **Reply #29 on:** February 17, 2009, 10:17:13 AM »

Quote from: Shankapotamus on February 17, 2009, 09:25:07 AM

Why do you assume that since I don't think DJ is the best PG in the country that I am somehow disrespecting him or putting down his Marquette career?

On what do you base your opinion that DJ is not the best PG in the country? Have you seen all the other finalists play? If so, who and how many times? What makes them better?

I am not saying that DJ is the best and I agree that fan polls are ridiculous. It is impossible to guage how good players are relative to one another when all you have is fleeting contact with some candidates and hyper-scrutiny with other candidates.

Again, we all have seen DJ so much that we can nitpick his flaws. The other candidates we see on the rare broadcast and the occasional ESPN highlight (which rarely highlight mistakes), and so like the recruit who we think is the next Michael Jordan based on a 2 minute clip of amazing dunks compiled from over a 1000 minutes of actual court time, we decide that these other, highlight only, candidates are better than DJ. That is ridiculous.

Unless you have seen all the candidates close to equally, you probably can't make an informed decision about who is best. And if you can't make a truly informed decision about who is best, why not support your school and your home-town player with a vote....

GGGG · « **Reply #30 on:** February 17, 2009, 10:19:15 AM »

Quote from: MR.HAYWARD on February 17, 2009, 09:27:56 AM

I think fans/alums that can sit down and type out a justification for why they wont vote for DJ, over anyone else on this list yet cannot click on the site and then click on DJ and submit is a pure loser.

I actually think the losers are those who thinks that it matters that much.

MR.HAYWARD · « **Reply #31 on:** February 17, 2009, 10:22:55 AM »

Very very well said MU CAm....it is simply incomprehensible for me...to undertsnad the rationale behind some of these posters thought process...glad i am not wired like that.

GGGG · « **Reply #32 on:** February 17, 2009, 10:26:49 AM »

Quote from: MUCam on February 17, 2009, 10:17:13 AM

Unless you have seen all the candidates close to equally, you probably can't make an informed decision about who is best. And if you can't make a truly informed decision about who is best, why not support your school and your home-town player with a vote....

Because homers annoy me and I don't want to become one.

MR.HAYWARD · « **Reply #33 on:** February 17, 2009, 10:28:51 AM »

Quote from: Shankapotamus on February 17, 2009, 10:19:15 AM

I actually think the losers are those who thinks that it matters that much.

No i dont think it matters that much...but the principal of the whole matter is if i can double click on a website a few times each day to help put a reward in an MU players hands that has busted his hump to help carry the Mu basketball banner and done one heck of a job at it for 4 years then i think it is the least i can do. As opposed to typing and retyping why it is stupid versus using half the time to support the kid. You know giving 5 dollars to aids research and cancer research is relaly stupid too, we all know you cant cure aids for $5. Do your part as opposed to being some cool rebel who actually coames off as a ...yes...loser.

GGGG · « **Reply #34 on:** February 17, 2009, 10:35:51 AM »

Quote from: MR.HAYWARD on February 17, 2009, 10:28:51 AM

No i dont think it matters that much...but the principal of the whole matter is if i can double click on a website a few times each day to help put a reward in an MU players hands that has busted his hump to help carry the Mu basketball banner and done one heck of a job at it for 4 years then i think it is the least i can do. As opposed to typing and retyping why it is stupid versus using half the time to support the kid. You know giving 5 dollars to aids research and cancer research is relaly stupid too, we all know you cant cure aids for $5. Do your part as opposed to being some cool rebel who actually coames off as a ...yes...loser.

I am very much appreciative of how much DJ has worked for MU and is clearly one of the best players to play for the Warriors. I'm a fan.

I still don't believe he's the best PG in the country. I'm not a homer.

BTW, your cancer research analogy is a very poor one. Keep at it and you may come up with something better!!!

MUCam · « **Reply #35 on:** February 17, 2009, 02:45:35 PM »

Shankapotamus -

Did you answer yet why you don't feel DJ is the best PG in America? And if you did, did you mention yet how many times you have seen the better point guards play and when you have seen them play?

I think it is comical that you earlier made reference to your Marquette education and how it taught you to use your brain, and yet the best reason you can give for not voting for DJ is that you don't want to be a homer. Quite frankly, that may be as good a reason for not voting as there is a reason for voting, but let's call a spade a spade - and that is mindless and subjective reasoning that doesn't really require one to "use [his/her] brain."

You don't want to vote for DJ, then don't vote for DJ. That is your perogative. But at least be honest about your superficial reason for not voting, just like I am about my superficial reason for voting. Don't pretend to take the high horse route and claim you can't vote for him because he is not the best PG if you cannot (or will not) back up that claim with actual logic and reason.

Wareagle · « **Reply #36 on:** February 17, 2009, 03:16:10 PM »

I love DJ, but if we're talking about the best PG in college basketball, I can tell you for sure that Ty Lawson is better.

GGGG · « **Reply #37 on:** February 17, 2009, 03:30:09 PM »

Quote from: MUCam on February 17, 2009, 02:45:35 PM

Shankapotamus -

Did you answer yet why you don't feel DJ is the best PG in America? And if you did, did you mention yet how many times you have seen the better point guards play and when you have seen them play?

Of the point guards listed whom I have seen a handful of times this year, I would rather have Ty Lawson and Sherron Collins. I have only seen Darren Collison once this year, but I would take him over DJ too. All three of them have roughly the same assist marks per game, but are much better shooters. DJ's shooting is what drops him down on the list for me. 43% overall...28% from three...I mean, that's pretty bad. And yes while I would agree he is a very good defender, I don't think he is so good that he makes up for how pathetic he shoots.

Is that better???

Maybe you could answer this for me...why do you think he *should* be considered the best PG in the country?

mu_hilltopper · « **Reply #38 on:** February 17, 2009, 04:03:14 PM »

Current results:

http://mywebdept.com/contacts/cousyvotingresults2.asp

DJ made a nice move from 400 to 802 in the past 24 hours. Nice going, everyone.

RawdogDX · « **Reply #39 on:** February 17, 2009, 04:43:12 PM »

Quote from: Shankapotamus on February 17, 2009, 03:30:09 PM

Of the point guards listed whom I have seen a handful of times this year, I would rather have Ty Lawson and Sherron Collins. I have only seen Darren Collison once this year, but I would take him over DJ too. All three of them have roughly the same assist marks per game, but are much better shooters. DJ's shooting is what drops him down on the list for me. 43% overall...28% from three...I mean, that's pretty bad. And yes while I would agree he is a very good defender, I don't think he is so good that he makes up for how pathetic he shoots.

Is that better???

Maybe you could answer this for me...why do you think he *should* be considered the best PG in the country?

i agree with everything you said. But i still voted because i like looking at poll results. Why not vote for the home team? I'm not getting paid by this website to offer a fair and objective analysis of the merit of each candidate.

Canned Goods n Ammo · « **Reply #40 on:** February 17, 2009, 04:45:12 PM »

If any of the players on the list are reading this, my vote is for sale for .10 per day.

Canned Goods n Ammo · « **Reply #41 on:** February 18, 2009, 10:44:42 AM »

BUMP.

Vote again today.

http://www.cousyaward.com/vote.htm

GGGG · « **Reply #42 on:** February 18, 2009, 10:46:42 AM »

Quote from: Shankapotamus on February 17, 2009, 03:30:09 PM

Of the point guards listed whom I have seen a handful of times this year, I would rather have Ty Lawson and Sherron Collins. I have only seen Darren Collison once this year, but I would take him over DJ too. All three of them have roughly the same assist marks per game, but are much better shooters. DJ's shooting is what drops him down on the list for me. 43% overall...28% from three...I mean, that's pretty bad. And yes while I would agree he is a very good defender, I don't think he is so good that he makes up for how pathetic he shoots.

Is that better???

Maybe you could answer this for me...why do you think he *should* be considered the best PG in the country?

Still waiting....

mosarsour · « **Reply #43 on:** February 18, 2009, 12:12:06 PM »

How the hell did Sean Wallis leap in front of Stephen Curry so quickly!!

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