ND Fans Using Racial Slurs To Taunt Players?

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Let's just start making Brady Quinn gay jokes next and really get their fanbase worked up.

Is this Deadspin?

http://deadspin.com/5144002/did-you-hear-the-one-about-brady-quinn-yes-we-all-have

[MUSF]

ND is in the middle of nowhere in Indiana.  You can't be too surprised that they're a bunch of hicks acting like hicks.

Never underestimate the educational value of spending 4 years in a diverse urban environment as opposed to being surrounded by cornfields.  MU is a blip on the radar of the greater Milwaukee community.  ND is the entire community down there.  You can't learn how to function in the real world by being surrounded by people just like you.  You've got to feel somewhat sorry for them.

+1,000

Education is a total experience.  My Dad used to say, "never let your studies get in the way of your education." 

[Knight Commission]

ND fans speak out on this issue. Some slam us for calling them out.

http://www.ndnation.com/boards/showpost.php?b=thepit;pid=130176;d=this

[muwarrior87]

ND fans speak out on this issue. Some slam us for calling them out.

http://www.ndnation.com/boards/showpost.php?b=thepit;pid=130176;d=this

all i have to say to that is how is that 6 game losing streak treating them?

[LastWarrior]

ND fans speak out on this issue. Some slam us for calling them out.

http://www.ndnation.com/boards/showpost.php?b=thepit;pid=130176;d=this

Not only does their hoops team suck but their site & its navigation sucks!

MU > ND
MUSCOOP.com > NDNATION.com

[LON]

Not only does their hoops team suck but their site & its navigation sucks!

MU > ND
MUSCOOP.com > NDNATION.com

No kidding, I tried to go through it since my curiosity got the best of me.  It basically gave me a seizure.

[legacy]

OMG, another tribune article that over blows something.  I saw the jeer card, I was in the class with the guy who wrote it and they were complaining (making a big deal about it loudly) about the racial slurs...so I read it and I have NOO idea what they are talking about. The racial slur on Cubbie? It was that b/c he is Venezuelan he must support Hugo Chavez.....what? ALL fans say horrible stuff, so stop getting all high and mighty MU fans- and the thing about James' daughter being a by-product of a night out is ridiculous, the card simply said at the bottom embarrassing facebook pics. I honestly read it and was confused, it seemed the Trib was fishing for something that could be construed as racial or offensive....its a JEER card, duh, we arent supposed to like it. The Trib is a rag, and the fact that the Trib didn't put any examples shows they really didnt have much..just a few items that could have been twisted to be insulting, let it go. This wasn't journalism, this was crap that was easy for us to twist into anti-ND fodder. Did they say some inappropriate stuff? maybe...but lets all face it, if we made the cards we wouldn't have been the perfect PC editors you demanded either. How do you insult/jeer at player/teams without it it eventually turning into something at least slightly offensive?

I agree.  I couldn't tell whether it was the Cubbie comment or the Ousmane Barro welfare comments (which could be interpreted as saying that "blacks are on welfare", but that would require using a racial stereotype, and they were clearly referring to the fact that he studied social welfare.  The stuff is certainly insulting and juvenile, but I couldn't find any racial slurs.  Anybody know what specifically they were talking about?

[Phi Iota Gamma 84]

Not only does their hoops team suck but their site & its navigation sucks!

MU > ND
MUSCOOP.com >>>>>> NDNATION.com

Sorry, needed correction

[RawdogDX]

I agree.  I couldn't tell whether it was the Cubbie comment or the Ousmane Barro welfare comments (which could be interpreted as saying that "blacks are on welfare", but that would require using a racial stereotype, and they were clearly referring to the fact that he studied social welfare.  The stuff is certainly insulting and juvenile, but I couldn't find any racial slurs.  Anybody know what specifically they were talking about?

You are reading last years sheet i think.  How worked up posters have gotten over something when they A: don't know what it said and B:  would have probably defended had it originated in milwaukee has been embarrassing.  Not that i'm surprised that is the way people with inferiority complexes behave.

[MUMarlins]

I feel that Marquette's student section can also be out of line at times.  As a junior at Marquette, I love Marquette basketball and could not be more proud of attending Marquette.  However with all of that being said, I am ashamed to be associated with our student section everytime we play rivals (esp. Wisconsin) at home and do a certain chant.  I always feel ashamed when it breaks out because of the way it portrays our university.

So I guess I am hoping that because of the way we feel offended by the jeer cards used at the ND game, hopefully as a student section we can clean our chants and act in an appropriate way.  I feel that we need to put a stop to the certain chant because I think it can be pretty offensive and I am a Marquette student and basketball fan.  Just imagine how the opposing schools look at it.

[bs4173]

I feel that Marquette's student section can also be out of line at times.  As a junior at Marquette, I love Marquette basketball and could not be more proud of attending Marquette.  However with all of that being said, I am ashamed to be associated with our student section everytime we play rivals (esp. Wisconsin) at home and do a certain chant.  I always feel ashamed when it breaks out because of the way it portrays our university.

So I guess I am hoping that because of the way we feel offended by the jeer cards used at the ND game, hopefully as a student section we can clean our chants and act in an appropriate way.  I feel that we need to put a stop to the certain chant because I think it can be pretty offensive and I am a Marquette student and basketball fan.  Just imagine how the opposing schools look at it.

The "F*** the badgers" one? Yeah, that's just tacky....it's not even remotely funny or intimidating or whatever a cheer's supposed to be.

[ChicosBailBonds]

All the links are broken, guess I missed the fun on what the jeer cards said.

[chapman]

All the links are broken, guess I missed the fun on what the jeer cards said.

That's all you need to know re: their "rebuttal" to the criticism.  If they were at all proud of it, or thought it was acceptable because it was "what everyone else does", they wouldn't have made haste to make sure nobody else saw it.

[chapman]

The "F*** the badgers" one? Yeah, that's just tacky....it's not even remotely funny or intimidating or whatever a cheer's supposed to be.

I have no problem with it; there has to be something dirty that is distinguished upon a rival.  But sometimes our student section does things I'm not proud of.  I'm still embarrassed by the small group of students who started the "F- Notre Dame" chant when Digger Phelps came out for College Gameday two years ago.

[StillAWarrior]

I have no problem with it; there has to be something dirty that is distinguished upon a rival.  But sometimes our student section does things I'm not proud of.  I'm still embarrassed by the small group of students who started the "F- Notre Dame" chant when Digger Phelps came out for College Gameday two years ago.

And I'm embarassed by a certain Notre Dame t-shirt that we debate on this board once or twice per year.

[ozmetal71]

I think that no one is clean in this one.  ND's cheer cards are particularly egregious because they appear to have the at least tacit approval of the athletic department.

However, before we get our panties in a total bundle over this, let's remember that Notre Dame students aren't the complete repository of stupid and boorish fan behavior.  I have seen "F Notre Dame" and "Notre Dame is French for our B----" shirts, and I remember just once or twice as a student when I participated in vulgar chants aimed at the opposing team.

The cheer cards are a really stupid thing and I hope that they are discontinued.  The overall response by ND fans has revealed their smug arrogance and condescension towards fans from other Catholic universities, but Marquette fans need to quit falling into the silly ND inferior complex trap that only serves to fuel ND arrogance. 

I'm not saying that MU is jealous of ND in any way, but there is an-almost obsession with Notre Dame among a good portion in the MU community that just looks bad.  I come from a divided MU-ND family so I have seen both sides and think that I can be remotely objective.  Marquette needs to just focus on itself and the wonderful things going on in every aspect of the university.  Marquette has achieved a wonderful individual identity that doesn't need to be reinforced through some feeling of competition with Notre Dame.

Let Notre Dame be Notre Dame.  They are going to be arrogant, condescending, and will continue to live in the past.  Notre Dame has become the university equivalent of the former star high school QB who is living off of their past glory and reputation.  I personally think that's sad in a number of ways, and I hope that Marquette never falls into that trap.

Marquette fans should just ignore all things Fighting Irish.  Overreacting to every perceived slight by ND and their fans just makes us look stupid, and in this case, more than a little hypocritical.

You really want to annoy ND and their fans?  IGNORE THEM.

[StillAWarrior]

ND's cheer cards are particularly egregious because they appear to have the at least tacit approval of the athletic department.

Agreed.

Notre Dame has become the university equivalent of the former star high school QB who is living off of their past glory and reputation.

Great analogy, and as much as it would hurt my dad to hear me say it (he's an ND alum), I agree.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

I have no problem with it; there has to be something dirty that is distinguished upon a rival.  But sometimes our student section does things I'm not proud of.  I'm still embarrassed by the small group of students who started the "F- Notre Dame" chant when Digger Phelps came out for College Gameday two years ago.

The chant is mildly embarrassing.

However, I would say that having cards printed that say "When Digger comes out, we are going to yell F- (his daughters name)" is much worse.

The pre-meditated stuff is much worse in my mind (the MU shirts are terrible).

I understand kids want to walk a fine line... but some of this stuff is pretty bad/lame.

Also, it would be interesting to see the original jeer cards (maybe from 5 years ago?) and compare them to today's. I have a feeling that they have progressively gotten worse/more personal. Things like this tend to snowball towards the gutter.

[lurch91]

The ND fans are reacting like a kid that called in sick to work to catch a flight to Mardi Gras to party, and posted drunk pictures of themselves on their Facebook/MySpace page.  Then when they went back to the office for work, were reminded that their boss was on their "friends list" by getting a pink slip.

"But other kids do it!"
"It's not that big of a deal!"

[MUMarlins]

I completely agree with ozmetal.  We need to just let ND be ND and let them do their own things.  I am more concerned with ND t-shirts we have had made and the badgers chant.  I really think that if we are going to get upset about these jeer cards that we cannot continue to make offensive t-shirts and do offensive chants. I think it makes up look like we are contradicting our own standpoint.

[Hards Alumni]

to sum up this thread:

Generalizations are usually just that... generalizations.

you can't stop everyone from being a jackass... some people think that they are funny or creative by being crass... when in reality, they are the farthest thing from it.

some people lack class, and lumping an entire student body into that group is bound to offend everyone in that class.

enjoy your day.

[GGGG]

Not only does their hoops team suck but their site & its navigation sucks!

MU > ND
MUSCOOP.com > NDNATION.com

That very well may be the lamest site I have ever seen.  That is web-circa 1994.

[muPARTY]

let's not forget about the floor part of the MU student section have cardboard laptops with the pitcture of that UConn guard in 2006 (that was his first game back after being suspended for stealing university laptops) or for years hearing the chant "You Won't Graduate" whenever cincinnati was in town.

don't get me wrong, i found those things HILARIOUS.  but the point (as others have made) is it happens on all sides.  no one is clean in all this.

i (along with many others) haven't actually viewed what was printed about the players to judge myselves....
but, devil's advocate here:  people here say it's awful to jeer DJ for having a baby.  but he's looked up to here; he's praised.  yet, he's had a child out of wedlock while having his education provided free of charge by a CATHOLIC university.  premartial sex is a sin.  yet no one debates on that.
... i'm not saying we should, simply let's worry about ourselves and how we act before we go attacking others for similar things.

since this site (and its posters) seem to be about not wanting to offend and take the high road, maybe we'll no longer see Wllie Wampum and other native american related logos, and who know, maybe refer to this team/university by it's actual name... the Marquette Golden Eagles.

me, on the otherhand, will continue to laugh at things that i want while proudly wearing the t-shirt i bought in the dorms my soph year of '03/'04 for $10 that reads: Notre Dame: french for our b ****   

[buckchuckler]

Why won't this tread die?