A different view on the DePaul OOC debate

[spartan3186]

I was talking to one of my friends who goes to DePaul and actually writes for wearedeapul.com and i mentioned the argument that was going on here about Depaul's OOC schedule. He seemed highly amused. He told me how people all over the Depaul boards and the campus in general criticize depaul's OOC schedule calling it way too challenging. He even showed me a post saying that Depaul's OOC schedule should be more like Marquettes!!! The point is there is benefits to both types of schedule and no matter what you do theres going to be people who rip your schedule. Just thought i'd share a view from the DePaul side.

[herboturbo]

Someone on the scout board posted this website which might shed some light onto the money side of this OOC schedule argument, as it shows that MU spends over twice as much per season on the basketball program. 

http://www.midmajority.com/info.php?a=schools-hoopsbudget

I don't know where the site got all the numbers for this but it does seem to line up with a previous article done recently (maybe 6 months ago) where MU was number 3 in the nation in money spent at a bit over $5 mil. 

[mu_hilltopper]

Whoa, that's an interesting list.  Real head scratcher on how we could be #5 .. If included, I suppose TC's salary bumps the number up pretty high .. but #5?   I'd think with the need to make revenue to fund other sports, you'd imagine MU would keep BBall expenses .. low .. or reasonable (relatively).

Makes me wonder if this list is anywhere near the ballpark for its accuracy.

[MUMac]

I believe a large chunk of TC's salary is paid outside of the MU Athletic Dept. (not unusual for coaches to have a chunk of their compensation paid elsewhere).

Remember, though, the cost of rent for the BC would be included, recruiting (which TC and staff is active nationally) etc.  Next year when we have to fork over the payment to UWM for the buy game, it will go up even more ... 

[MU gimp ONE]

i like to know where they got those numbers from.  i remember that when we were first entering the big east, we had one of the smallest athletic budgets out of all teams in the BE.  that included the ones that were coming with us from CUSA.  i would agree that we might alot the highest percentage of our athletics budget to basketball, but i don't think we spend that much compared to the country.

[Big Papi]

I'm not surprised that we are up there on the list.  I don't know what is factored in but TC gets paid a lot, our rent for the BC is high and I would imagine travel costs a lot as we only have 2 conference teams that are within a close proximity.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

I'm sure leasing all those Hummers for the assistants isn't cheap either.

[NYWarrior]

I'm sure leasing all those Hummers for the assistants isn't cheap either.

that's a freebie to the university.......its a sponsorship/benefactor deal

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

That's not true. According to Prof. McAdams website, Marquette does indeed pay for the vehicles, albeit at a discount.

[spiral97]

prof mcadams?

[NYWarrior]

That's not true. According to Prof. McAdams website, Marquette does indeed pay for the vehicles, albeit at a discount.

good call.   Still not clear how much MU pays for it...but its part of the price of admission for a big time program

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

http://mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2006/09/assistant-coach-hummers-not.html

[spiral97]

gotcha.. NOW I remember the article

[spiral97]

Someone on the scout board posted this website which might shed some light onto the money side of this OOC schedule argument, as it shows that MU spends over twice as much per season on the basketball program. 

http://www.midmajority.com/info.php?a=schools-hoopsbudget

I don't know where the site got all the numbers for this but it does seem to line up with a previous article done recently (maybe 6 months ago) where MU was number 3 in the nation in money spent at a bit over $5 mil. 

ok.. I love to play around with numbers like this even if the numbers might be suspect I figured some were better than none.. maybe.. SO.. I imported the data into excel and started collating by state as well as by conference.. through in an overall summary to boot.. and got this:
(yellow highlighted rows indicate where marquette - which spends $5,800,062 and crean has been coach since 1999 - falls)

conference collate


state collate


overall collate


and amount spent broken down by coach's residency length:


since I was interested in how the overall general coach residency lengths compared to crean's I did some more numbers:
16 coaches (73.4%) started with their current school the same year crean did.
243 coaches (4.8%) started with their current school after crean (for 1,147 man years of coaching)
71 coaches (21.5%) started with their current school after before crean (for 401 man years of coaching)

[herboturbo]

I don't see why they would include Creans salary as that is paid by sources outside of the Athletic Office.  And although we don't have a superhuge athletic budget because of no football, this number does seem to correlate with the article the wall st. journal? put out a bit back which placed us no.3 behind Michigan st and Duke at over $5 mil spent on the program. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

I don't see why they would include Creans salary as that is paid by sources outside of the Athletic Office.  And although we don't have a superhuge athletic budget because of no football, this number does seem to correlate with the article the wall st. journal? put out a bit back which placed us no.3 behind Michigan st and Duke at over $5 mil spent on the program. 

These numbers are not completely accurate for so many reasons it's not worth getting into.  Coach's salary, tuition re-imbursements, student athlete waivers, private schools not obligated to report data, etc, etc.

Each school is so different than another on so many levels and how they account for expenses, etc.