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Quote from: avid1010 on January 24, 2025, 06:58:44 AMSo if his input was "don't hire MB" you think they would have hired MB?  This isn't Buzz and this is post NIL.  Buzz left for VA Tech...Shaka had a call with Kentucky.  If Shaka didn't want MB...MB wouldn't have the job.  If it went any other way the admin is crazy.

What does Kentucky have to do with anything here?

Regardless, you seem very confident in knowing exactly how the hiring process played out, so I'll just defer to your extensive insider knowledge.

avid1010

Quote from: MUfan12 on January 24, 2025, 08:49:50 AMWhat does Kentucky have to do with anything here?

Regardless, you seem very confident in knowing exactly how the hiring process played out, so I'll just defer to your extensive insider knowledge.
The Buzz vs Shaka comparison seemed odd to me.  Buzz didn't have the interest Shaka did, nor the clean reputation.  When you have a coach that you want to keep, is squeaky clean, and can walk to a school like Kentucky...you probably allow him the option to veto the hire of the AD...thus giving him control of the process.  If the President of MU didn't make that a requirement of the hire he's crazy as well...heck, if the MU Board didn't make that a requirement of the hire of the President they are crazy.

You said he was not in control of the process.  Care to share your extensive insider knowledge? 



MUfan12

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It wasn't a comparison to Buzz. Sorry that was unclear.

Institutional control is a thing, and something you don't relax on because you love the head coach. MU learned that lesson the hard way. A lot of people who had to clean up that mess are still employed at MU. It's not a reflection on Shaka at all, and he's clearly fine operating under this structure since he turned down UL, UK, and a massive number from Michigan in the offseason.

FWIW I was told Shaka was fine with Mike and the other finalist. The BOT drove the final decision.

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Quote from: avid1010 on January 24, 2025, 11:17:14 AMYou said he was not in control of the process.  Care to share your extensive insider knowledge? 

I think the problem here is you used the word "control." Shaka did not control the process. He had input into the process, and my guess is that his opinion and observations were heavily considered.
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Quote from: The Sultan on January 24, 2025, 11:25:40 AMI think the problem here is you used the word "control." Shaka did not control the process. He had input into the process, and my guess is that his opinion and observations were heavily considered.
Yeah...I get I'm splitting hairs...but control is exactly the right word in my opinion.  I fully understand he can't run the search and isn't on the Board, but when you have the power to say "yes" or "no" I think you ultimately control the process.  If he chose to defer...great.  There is no way they were going to hire someone Shaka didn't approve of, and there is no way they weren't going to ask for his input.  What he did with that power is the only question I would have, and I hope they made it crystal clear that he had a veto if he wanted it.

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Quote from: avid1010 on January 24, 2025, 11:40:46 AMYeah...I get I'm splitting hairs...but control is exactly the right word in my opinion.  I fully understand he can't run the search and isn't on the Board, but when you have the power to say "yes" or "no" I think you ultimately control the process.  If he chose to deffer...great.  There is no way they were going to hire someone Shaka didn't approve of, and there is no way they weren't going to ask for his input.  What he did with that power is the only question I would have, and I hope they made it crystal clear that he had a veto if he wanted it.

No. Control is not the right word.

If he said "Yes" to a candidate, and the President wasn't on board with that decision, then the candidate was not going to be hired.

But searches are way more nuanced that that. A healthy process seeks input from many people - and some is weighed more heavily than others. But Shaka did not select the candidate.
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Seems like the safe and logical choice to go with the guy who has been with the university for two decades and has put his time in to earn the position. If the choice was anyone else, then I think it could be speculated on who had what influence but this just seemed to make sense to me. I actually just assumed he was the AD in waiting.

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Quote from: The Sultan on January 24, 2025, 11:44:54 AMNo. Control is not the right word.

If he said "Yes" to a candidate, and the President wasn't on board with that decision, then the candidate was not going to be hired.

But searches are way more nuanced that that. A healthy process seeks input from many people - and some is weighed more heavily than others. But Shaka did not select the candidate.
Who selected the candidate and did they require Shaka's approval to select that person?

If the President said "yes" to a candidate and Shaka wasn't on board would that candidate be selected?

Would they take a candidate to the President that Shaka said "no" to? 

If Shaka and the President didn't agree on the candidate...who would carry more weight with the Board?

Would the Board hire a President that Shaka said "no" to?

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How is "control" defined?

And how do you know who had more of it?
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Quote from: avid1010 on January 24, 2025, 01:03:46 PMWho selected the candidate and did they require Shaka's approval to select that person?

If the President said "yes" to a candidate and Shaka wasn't on board would that candidate be selected?

Would they take a candidate to the President that Shaka said "no" to? 

If Shaka and the President didn't agree on the candidate...who would carry more weight with the Board?

Would the Board hire a President that Shaka said "no" to?

I'm assuming Marquette works like any organization where a decision or key leader maker gets input from important stakeholders before making a decision or bringing it to the board.

In what world does the an authority figure land in that situation?  It's probably one where either the coach's opinion isn't valued or the leader isn't qualified. 

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This is so dumb, even for Scoop.

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Quote from: MUfan12 on January 24, 2025, 01:39:24 PMThis is so dumb, even for Scoop.
I'm offended!! Even more than no hot dogs. Who do you think you're to post an opinion like this!
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