James Breeding

[Dr. Blackheart]

Question for the board: During time outs in the game English was looking at replays on his iPad, like in the NFL. Is this even allowed on the sidelines in the NCAA basketball? I have never seen this in college hoops.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Question for the board: During time outs in the game English was looking at replays on his iPad, like in the NFL. Is this even allowed on the sidelines in the NCAA basketball? I have never seen this in college hoops.

Answered my own question. Now allowed.
https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/sports/basketball/rules/men/2023-24PRMBB_RulesChanges.pdf

[Hards Alumni]

Here's where my problem is and it'sa problem with the rule itself.

They shouldn't get 4 free throws if the flagrant happens earlier in the play. If you think there's a flagrant, blow it dead and review it. They got an extra possession because of the ineptitude of the crew.

Correct.  Either was a foul and they check to see it was flagrant or it was nothing.  It's ridiculous to go back and look at something that was or wasn't a foul from 30 seconds ago and have TWO fouls called on the same play. 

[Dr. Blackheart]

Correct.  Either was a foul and they check to see it was flagrant or it was nothing.  It's ridiculous to go back and look at something that was or wasn't a foul from 30 seconds ago and have TWO fouls called on the same play.

Breeding also ejected Theo John on the play for old time sake.

[The Sultan]

It is ridiculous, especially since Chase didn't foul anyone, but the process was correctly applied.

[Shooter McGavin]

This is really on Shaka. Guys should have been prepared not to get a whistle all night. They let the refs affect them and didn't make adjustments.

Not sure it's on Shaka.  He probably emphasized this in practice and before the game.  People have short memories and the players needed to experience this again for it to sink in.  Hopefully it has sunk in for the rest of the season. 

[Dr. Blackheart]

It is ridiculous, especially since Chase didn't foul anyone, but the process was correctly applied.

It was but the process needs to be cleaned up. Either they get the four free throws or the extra possession in the post-play review. The Ross foul was the extra possession in reality.

[Hards Alumni]

It is ridiculous, especially since Chase didn't foul anyone, but the process was correctly applied.

The process shouldn't exist.

[MUDPT]

Anyone know why Hopkins got 3 free throws on a shot that was clearly after the shot clock had gone off?  Did they rule it in process like continuation? Otherwise, it should have been a common non-shooting foul and 2 shots.

[The Sultan]

It was but the process needs to be cleaned up. Either they get the four free throws or the extra possession in the post-play review. The Ross foul was the extra possession in reality.

The process shouldn't exist.

The alternatives are to go back in time to when the incident occurred and erase everything that happened after, or have no replay reviews of potential flagrants that aren't initially whistled. I can see either one of these having just as many problems as what occurred last night.

[Hards Alumni]

Anyone know why Hopkins got 3 free throws on a shot that was clearly after the shot clock had gone off?  Did they rule it in process like continuation? Otherwise, it should have been a common non-shooting foul and 2 shots.

Did you watch the rest of the game?

[Hards Alumni]

The alternatives are to go back in time to when the incident occurred and erase everything that happened after, or have no replay reviews of potential flagrants that aren't initially whistled. I can see either one of these having just as many problems as what occurred last night.

I'm on the no replay of flagrant fouls.  If the foul wasn't caught in real time it shouldn't exist. 

Or if we are going to play review police then we should just review every questionable call... like the one Chase was called for.  Bring out the red flags!  Applying it for one situation and not the other is dumb.  But review at all in basketball is dumb... except maaaaaaybe on a goal tend.

[The Sultan]

Or don't hit someone in the face.

[CountryRoads]

Or don't hit someone in the face.

2nd time in 2 games for Oso.

[Dr. Blackheart]

The alternatives are to go back in time to when the incident occurred and erase everything that happened after, or have no replay reviews of potential flagrants that aren't initially whistled. I can see either one of these having just as many problems as what occurred last night.

A rule that awards an extra possession due to officials not seeing a foul live is just silly (versus if they actually did their job and called the flagrant live). It should be an "either or" situation if you are going to allow a review after continued play. Why do you reward a team an extra possession for referee incompetence?

[Hards Alumni]

Or don't hit someone in the face.

Sounds easy but when players are coached to box out or be physical, it can be pretty hard if you're not looking right at the guy.

The rule should be revised for intent or overt action.  Play on basketball should still exist.

An F1 is like porn, you know it when you see it.  Incidental contact to the head or neck in the normal playing of basketball shouldn't alter the game the way it has been.

[MUfan12]

Sounds easy but when players are coached to box out or be physical, it can be pretty hard if you're not looking right at the guy.

The rule should be revised for intent or overt action.  Play on basketball should still exist.

An F1 is like porn, you know it when you see it.  Incidental contact to the head or neck in the normal playing of basketball shouldn't alter the game the way it has been.

Another problem is they look at this in slow motion. Everything looks worse.

If they need to consult a monitor to make a flagrant call it should be in real-time.

[The Sultan]

Cmon now. It was clearly an F1.

[MUfan12]

Cmon now. It was clearly an F1.

The call on Oso last night, no doubt.

I'm saying in general, there needs to be room for guys to make basketball plays, even if it results in contact above the neck. A big on little matchup can easily lead to contact above the neck of the smaller player, but it's a legal basketball play. Right now they're not really allowing for that. Frankly I'm surprised they didn't hit Chase with one when he popped Carter after getting pushed.

[Hards Alumni]

The call on Oso last night, no doubt.

I'm saying in general, there needs to be room for guys to make basketball plays, even if it results in contact above the neck. A big on little matchup can easily lead to contact above the neck of the smaller player, but it's a legal basketball play. Right now they're not really allowing for that. Frankly I'm surprised they didn't hit Chase with one when he popped Carter after getting pushed.

Yep, agree on all counts.  A smaller defender should look to position his head near where he expects the larger ball handler's hands or elbows to go.

But you know, ethics and all that...

[Skatastrophy]

Cmon now. It was clearly an F1.

Yep

The refs did a bad job last night and thankfully nobody besides Ross got injured, and that was just a misplaced foot.

[cheebs09]

Anyone know why Hopkins got 3 free throws on a shot that was clearly after the shot clock had gone off?  Did they rule it in process like continuation? Otherwise, it should have been a common non-shooting foul and 2 shots.

I believe because the foul happened before the shot clock went off. I think Kam got his elbow right before it went to 0.

[rocky_warrior]

I believe because the foul happened before the shot clock went off. I think Kam got his elbow right before it went to 0.

That, plus there were no tenths on the shot clock, and re-watching the ball was (just) out of his hand when the buzzer sounded.

[TallTitan34]

Breeding back at it in the Creighton / Nova game last night.

https://x.com/cbbonfox/status/1737685204955734078?s=46&t=jxqs74xjrj0YOEifH9UtCw

[rocky_warrior]

Breeding back at it in the Creighton / Nova game last night.

https://x.com/cbbonfox/status/1737685204955734078?s=46&t=jxqs74xjrj0YOEifH9UtCw

Would have lost it if I were Neptune.  Clearly a shot clock violation.  At least Nova got the win.