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MU82

Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 27, 2026, 10:18:10 AMThank you for pointing out the obvious  ;)

I expect 1/3 season quirks. I'm not sure I've ever seen a division having more teams above .500 than an entire league this deep into the season before.

I'm just saying, don't read too much into what the standings say on May 27. Or do, if that floats your boat.

Things can get flipped pretty fast this time of year. Less than 3 weeks ago, the Cubs had the best record in baseball and a 5 1/2 game lead over the Brewers.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Jockey

Seeing as how Counsel has been unable to move the needle at all in Chicago (and will almost certainly be fired if the last place Cubbies miss the Playoffs), is there a discussion to be had over his success in Milwaukee and whether Murph had as much or more influence on it?

Clearly there is a hierarchy of managers in MLB. Mitch, Cash, and Vogt are clearly on top.

TallTitan34

Quote from: Jockey on May 27, 2026, 11:51:00 AMSeeing as how Counsel has been unable to move the needle at all in Chicago

Wrong.

Quote from: Jockey on May 27, 2026, 11:51:00 AM(and will almost certainly be fired if the last place Cubbies miss the Playoffs)

Wrong.

Quote from: Jockey on May 27, 2026, 11:51:00 AMis there a discussion to be had over his success in Milwaukee and whether Murph had as much or more influence on it?

Yes.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: TallTitan34 on May 27, 2026, 11:54:08 AMWrong.

Wrong.

Yes.

I think Counsell will get the ax if the Cubs miss the playoffs.

Murphy isn't some tactical baseball genius but he is pretty good at handling the team on a day-to-day basis and understanding the roster makeup.  He has in game and pitcher management issues.  He makes up for it with keeping the team focused and loose. 

Counsell's last year in Milwaukee was the opposite of that but he had some guys on that team that I'm not sure the manager would have made that much of a difference.  Burnes was pouty all year, heck, even going back to '22 and Winker was a problem when around.  He didn't handle the young guys all that well that year, either.  Prior to that, his clubhouses/culture were quite good.
It's only a few pennies

TallTitan34

Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 27, 2026, 12:13:19 PMI think Counsell will get the ax if the Cubs miss the playoffs.

Ricketts won't eat that money.  He could easily, but he won't.

Shaka Shart

Quote from: TallTitan34 on May 27, 2026, 12:17:37 PMRicketts won't eat that money.  He could easily, but he won't.

He will make Craig bartend at the newest bachelorette party bar in wrigley in his ongoing attempts to make that neighborhood into bad Nashville
#BanGBWarrior

cheebs09

I think early on, Counsell was a pretty innovative manager. He used Hader really well until Hader only wanted to pitch the ninth.

Craigtember was always fun, but then MLB limited roster sizes. I also think we utilized the shifts more than most until they were banned.

I think a big part of the Brewers success is their pitching lab. They have been able to get some under the radar pitchers to turn into very effective starters.

Jockey

Quote from: cheebs09 on May 27, 2026, 12:38:36 PMI think early on, Counsell was a pretty innovative manager. He used Hader really well until Hader only wanted to pitch the ninth.

Craigtember was always fun, but then MLB limited roster sizes. I also think we utilized the shifts more than most until they were banned.

I think a big part of the Brewers success is their pitching lab. They have been able to get some under the radar pitchers to turn into very effective starters.

Agree on all of this. And as long as they keep fleecing teams in trades, they Wii continue to be successful. If they had traded Durbin, Monestereo, and Siegler for Shane Droghan, it would would have been a win. To convince the Red Sox to throw in a top 5 pitcher in the league was a coup.

The Sultan

Craig isn't getting fired this year regardless. He had a ten win improvement from Years 1 to 2, and TT is right...Rickett's isn't eating that contract even if this one year is a disappointment. This was never meant to be a quick fix.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Jockey

Quote from: The Sultan on May 27, 2026, 02:22:29 PMCraig isn't getting fired this year regardless. He had a ten win improvement from Years 1 to 2, and TT is right...Rickett's isn't eating that contract even if this one year is a disappointment. This was never meant to be a quick fix.

Every year, teams win/lose 10 more games than they did the previous year - even with very pedestrian managers. Right now the Cubs are in last place. If they finish there - I don't think they will - CC is gone. Even if Mil. Ana StL finish ahead of the with their tiny payrolls, he may be gone.

Uncle Rico

DEVIL MAGICK AND CROTCH CHOPS SEND AWAY ANGRY BIRDS
It's only a few pennies

The Sultan

Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 27, 2026, 03:21:20 PMDEVIL MAGICK AND CROTCH CHOPS SEND AWAY ANGRY BIRDS

Cards were right to be upset. Stan Musial never did crotch chops.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

TallTitan34

Quote from: Jockey on May 27, 2026, 02:40:59 PMEvery year, teams win/lose 10 more games than they did the previous year - even with very pedestrian managers. Right now the Cubs are in last place. If they finish there - I don't think they will - CC is gone. Even if Mil. Ana StL finish ahead of the with their tiny payrolls, he may be gone.

No shot.

BM1090

I've been saying for a couple years now that it feels like somehow the Brewers have stolen all of the Cardinals devil magic

Uncle Rico

Quote from: The Sultan on May 27, 2026, 03:23:12 PMCards were right to be upset. Stan Musial never did crotch chops.

He never served on the front line either
It's only a few pennies

Shaka Shart

Crotch chops, crop tops, this generation needs god
#BanGBWarrior

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Shaka Shart on May 27, 2026, 05:30:53 PMCrotch chops, crop tops, this generation needs god

There's way TOO much god in baseball as is
It's only a few pennies

Jockey

Quote from: BM1090 on May 27, 2026, 03:40:30 PMI've been saying for a couple years now that it feels like somehow the Brewers have stolen all of the Cardinals devil magic

Yadi's juju has worn off?

MU82

"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Shaka Shart

Quote from: Jockey on May 27, 2026, 06:30:15 PMYadi's juju has worn off?

I can't imagine the sticky tack on the chest pad is still as effective
#BanGBWarrior

MU82

It's fortunate that all of us baseball fans get to watch the greatest ballplayer ever in his prime.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

wadesworld

Quote from: MU82 on May 27, 2026, 09:27:56 PMIt's fortunate that all of us baseball fans get to watch the greatest ballplayer ever in his prime.

MVPete is good but I'm not sure I'd crown him yet.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: MU82 on May 27, 2026, 11:04:38 AMI'm just saying, don't read too much into what the standings say on May 27. Or do, if that floats your boat.

Things can get flipped pretty fast this time of year. Less than 3 weeks ago, the Cubs had the best record in baseball and a 5 1/2 game lead over the Brewers.

Not reading into anything. I'm just amused by how wacky baseball can be.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


Jockey

Quote from: MU82 on May 27, 2026, 09:27:56 PMIt's fortunate that all of us baseball fans get to watch the greatest ballplayer ever in his prime.

Yadi?

CreightonWarrior

Quote from: Shaka Shart on May 27, 2026, 05:30:53 PMCrotch chops, crop tops, this generation needs god
found Lucroy's burner.

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