Transgender kids competing in sports - without the politics.

[MU82]

Gen Xer here. I found it incredibly refreshing when I spoke with my then ten year old son about his transgender classmate back when people were uneasy with the whole bathroom nonsense. I asked him how he felt about her using whichever bathroom she felt comfortable using. His response, “Whichever one she wants. She is not hurting anyone.”

Thank goodness the world is a changin’.

Added a “not” for you.

And this boomer agrees with your son.

[21Jumpstreet]

Added a “not” for you.

And this boomer agrees with your son.

Hah, thanks, kinda makes the whole point. Edited.

[mu_hilltopper]

~50 years ago, my dad's favorite line, oft-repeated, was "life isn't fair." 

Segments of society have been doing their best to chip away at that for decades, and politicians have found a way to weaponize that struggle to our detriment.

[Jay Bee]

Y’all cats iz crazay

[WellsstreetWanderer]

I'm a Boomer who thinks it is hard enough getting through life without worrying someone else. I wish everybody the best. But what i see here are  guys saying they have no problem with someone else losing a race,a title or a scholarship to a person who has a large physical advantage. I would imagine few of theses transgender competitors strength and athleticism would be diminished by hormone therapy given their age.
I would like to hear from Women who would actually have to compete with these individuals.
I hope this is resolved and ends up best for all concerned
FWIW both my daughters , who turned down D1 offers to be students, feel it would be unfair to compete with males who identify as females. 

[MU82]

I shouldn't presume to speak for my wife and my daughter, each of whom was a high school athlete. When our daughter visits us later this month, I'm sure this issue will be a topic of conversation.

[Hards Alumni]

I'm a Boomer who thinks it is hard enough getting through life without worrying someone else. I wish everybody the best. But what i see here are  guys saying they have no problem with someone else losing a race,a title or a scholarship to a person who has a large physical advantage. I would imagine few of theses transgender competitors strength and athleticism would be diminished by hormone therapy given their age.
I would like to hear from Women who would actually have to compete with these individuals.
I hope this is resolved and ends up best for all concerned
FWIW both my daughters , who turned down D1 offers to be students, feel it would be unfair to compete with males who identify as females.

I bet if they met the trans women they'd have no worries about losing to them in sports. 

[JWags85]

I bet if they met the trans women they'd have no worries about losing to them in sports.

Based on?  Not outright shading your argument, just curious.

I share that sentiment where it pertains to people who have fear/apprehension/etc about LGBT people, who likely have never met or directly interacted with them and thus have never humanized them, but this is a bit beyond that. Again back to being able to fully support them, their choice, and their life but still not be totally cool having them compete.

[MU82]

I simply don't feel there is going to be such a major wave of super-athletic trans girls saying, "Hey, now it's time for me to dominate interscholastic sports!" that it's necessary to find a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

[JWags85]

I simply don't feel there is going to be such a major wave of super-athletic trans girls saying, "Hey, now it's time for me to dominate interscholastic sports!" that it's necessary to find a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

I don’t totally disagree, but at the same time, there are plenty of less controversial eligibility rules that came out of unique situations.

If the consensus is 99% of school districts/competitions and athletes will not be affected by this, so going through the rigor of making rules based on T levels, age, etc... is not worth it. Fair enough.  But not making rules, for fairly uncommon situations, due to not wanting to harm the minors at stake or similar emotional grounds kind of ignores the fact that plenty of kids have been screwed by eligibility situations through no fault of their own.  It just is what it is.

FWIW, I’m pretty ambivalent about it all as it pertains to team sports, the individual competitions are where I think it’s a legit discussion.

[MuggsyB]

I simply don't feel there is going to be such a major wave of super-athletic trans girls saying, "Hey, now it's time for me to dominate interscholastic sports!" that it's necessary to find a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

Well, what if there were 4 or 5 a year that were sinister and wanted to dominate women's tennis, women's golf, track events, or the WNBA?  Or 4 or 5 parents who wanted their kid to get a full ride in a particular sport?  Are you saying this is inconceivable?  Suppose a top male college tennis player identified himself as a female when he was 20 and went on to win every women's tennis tournament and 40 grand slams?  Would you be fine with this?   

Now, I am one of the rare people that think all animals should be allowed to compete in the Olympics so I'm not totally against this scenario.  Can you imagine how cool that would be?  Sarah the Cheetah from the Cincy Zoo for example ran a 4.9 100 m I believe.  And remember MU82 Cheetah's times at zoos are slower, much slower, than those in the wild.  Let's open it up?  Sailfish vs Olympic swimmers?  Rhinos on the Offensive Line?  Spider Monkeys vs Gymnasts?  Walruses in a clam eating contest?  I'm for all of it.  Let's do this.  Ponder for a moment what a Rhino would do to an NFL Defensive Lineman? 

[naginiF]

Well, what if there ...... Lineman? 

comparing trans people to animals.....that's dehumanizing and you should take this post down immediately.

*edited to remove OP

[MuggsyB]

comparing trans people to animals.....that's dehumanizing and you should take this post down immediately.

It wasn't a comparison. 

[naginiF]

It wasn't a comparison.

Thread title: Transgender kids competing in sports

Your post: here are a bunch of animals I'd like to see compete in sports.

Comparison: a consideration or estimate of the similarities or dissimilarities between two things or people

Take it down.

[MU82]

Well, what if there were 4 or 5 a year that were sinister and wanted to dominate women's tennis, women's golf, track events, or the WNBA?  Or 4 or 5 parents who wanted their kid to get a full ride in a particular sport?  Are you saying this is inconceivable?  Suppose a top male college tennis player identified himself as a female when he was 20 and went on to win every women's tennis tournament and 40 grand slams?  Would you be fine with this?   

Now, I am one of the rare people that think all animals should be allowed to compete in the Olympics so I'm not totally against this scenario.  Can you imagine how cool that would be?  Sarah the Cheetah from the Cincy Zoo for example ran a 4.9 100 m I believe.  And remember MU82 Cheetah's times at zoos are slower, much slower, than those in the wild.  Let's open it up?  Sailfish vs Olympic swimmers?  Rhinos on the Offensive Line?  Spider Monkeys vs Gymnasts?  Walruses in a clam eating contest?  I'm for all of it.  Let's do this.  Ponder for a moment what a Rhino would do to an NFL Defensive Lineman? 

This post is beneath you, Muggs. I’m not going to grace it with any other response.

[mu_hilltopper]

This is why we can't have nice things.

There's really no point here anyhow.  Almost no one is ever going to move off their position.  It's just another topic to divide the nation.