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In bounds ineptitude and why

Started by MuggsyB, March 04, 2021, 08:46:14 PM

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hawk

I think Lewis and Carton will return.  Garcia is gone unless he decides to come back to be a lottery pick next year.  He has a big upside so I,m guessing middle of the 1st round this year.

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Quote from: bilsu on March 05, 2021, 07:44:35 PM
Have you seen Illinois inbounds play, Most, if not all the players start from out of bounds. It is pretty interesting and inventive.

I think you are referring to Ill press break where all five players line up at the baseline and run fly patterns, curls, stop and go, etc.
Muggsy is referring to OOB under our basket with the opportunity to score.

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Quote from: hawk on March 06, 2021, 10:52:12 AM
I think Lewis and Carton will return.  Garcia is gone unless he decides to come back to be a lottery pick next year.  He has a big upside so I,m guessing middle of the 1st round this year.
Logical. If DG can gets 1st round $ I think he's gone. I think DJ goes somewhere to work on his craft. I don't know where that is, I just don't think it is at MU next year.

brewcity77

If DJ leaves, he'll have to sit out. He might go pro, but if he stays in college, I'd be shocked if it wasn't at Marquette, even if the unthinkable happens & Wojo is gone.
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BallBoy

I think there are two major problems on the inbounds on the defensive side. You have 1 player taking the ball out, three that start at half court one in the front court. The defense puts a defender on ball and three that sag off the hall court.

Ref hands the ball off to the inbounder and MU is slow to move. By the time the three get closer to the inbounder, 1-2 seconds have come off the clock and the inbounder starts to feel flustered and the only open player is moving toward the corner.

The corner itself isn't a graveyard like in 3 grade ball. You see if frequently in all games. To me getting the ball inbounded is more important. Once the guard gets the ball usually Koby or Cain they freeze. This allows the defense to collapse on them. Once the defenders collapse MU has their head down and will also stop their dribble. Instead they need to move quickly which will either draw a block or like the Depaul game at the end split the defense and get to an open court.

I have also noticed that our player, whose defender is double teaming the ball, runs away from the ball they should stay in their spot because they are open. Instead they are moving towards the front court defender.


TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: hawk on March 06, 2021, 10:52:12 AM
I think Lewis and Carton will return.  Garcia is gone unless he decides to come back to be a lottery pick next year.  He has a big upside so I,m guessing middle of the 1st round this year.

I've seen no site listing Garcia anywhere near the second round this season, let alone the first round.

I'm fairly confident that Garcia and Lewis return. Carton it will depend on if he still has NBA dreams or not. I don't see Carton transferring.

We will lose 1 to 3 of the other players to transfer, but I think the big 3 all return.
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Quote from: brewcity77 on March 05, 2021, 07:41:14 AM
It's coaching. We were very good at baseline out of bounds plays when Stan was here. Now we suck, and LMU is better than ever at them. Hardly seems like a coincidence. Same reason I'm skeptical we'll recapture our three point accuracy now that the guys taking the shots didn't work with Nelson, while Holy Cross has seen their 3PFG% rank improve by over 150 spots from Brett's year one to year two.

I disagree with this analysis. We have struggled on inbounds even when stan was here do a search of some variant of inbound, inbounding and you will find people calling this out as a problem. This isn't new.

MU was a good 3pt shooting team because we had one of the most elite three point shooters of all time. We also had very good three point shooters like Rowsey, Sam and others. This year our three point shooters are marginal. Our best three point shooters were also on the teams you credit.

I also find it disingenuous if we throw praise on two assistant coaches when our teams were also mediocre but then this year only throw the blame at Wojo. If the assistants were the solution prior wouldn't the new ones be the problem now? Either Assistants were good then and bad now or Wojo was the same.

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Crean had excellent inbound plays under the basket. 

muwarrior69

Quote from: brewcity77 on March 06, 2021, 12:47:59 PM
If DJ leaves, he'll have to sit out. He might go pro, but if he stays in college, I'd be shocked if it wasn't at Marquette, even if the unthinkable happens & Wojo is gone.

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Quote from: brewcity77 on March 06, 2021, 12:47:59 PM
If DJ leaves, he'll have to sit out. He might go pro, but if he stays in college, I'd be shocked if it wasn't at Marquette, even if the unthinkable happens & Wojo is gone.
Maybe I wasn't clear. I certainly don't think he's transferring to another college program. If he does play college ball next year it will be at MU.
I don't think he is playing anymore college ball.

Johnny B

if any of them leave we will have wildly sad year next season