"True Crime" Thread

[wadesworld]

Just figured I'd start a thread for "true crime" stories.  The current one is obviously Nancy Guthrie.  Crazy to me they have video of what I'd assume is the abductor at her door, her blood, and there's just nothing despite cameras being everywhere these days.  Not even a vehicle they're looking for.

Just thought the Gabby Petito case, the Idaho student quadruple murder, and other stories have been discussed here.  The Guthrie disappearance is one of the weirder stories to get this much publicity that I can remember.

[Shaka Shart]

True crime is dental crime, which there's already a thread for Wades!!!

[The Sultan]

Just figured I'd start a thread for "true crime" stories.  The current one is obviously Nancy Guthrie.  Crazy to me they have video of what I'd assume is the abductor at her door, her blood, and there's just nothing despite cameras being everywhere these days.  Not even a vehicle they're looking for.

Just thought the Gabby Petito case, the Idaho student quadruple murder, and other stories have been discussed here.  The Guthrie disappearance is one of the weirder stories to get this much publicity that I can remember.

I think they kidnapped her for money, she died, and now they dumped the body somewhere and laying low.

[wadesworld]

I think they kidnapped her for money, she died, and now they dumped the body somewhere and laying low.

Yeah I think she's dead by now, given she needs medication that she's almost certainly not been getting for 3 weeks.

Sounds like there's some reason to believe it was a robbery gone bad, but not sure what gives the authorities that thought.

[nyg]

Sorry about length, but it is what it is.

Myself and some old cohorts got together for our monthly breakfast meeting.  We were all in agreement with the following and probably can't make any determination without:

1) Who dropped her off? Daughter, Son-In-Law or both? How did that go about.  Only item mentioned by Pima County Sheriff's Office (PCSO) was garage door opened.
2) Was there forced entry?
3) Was the alarm system to the house activated?  Was it then turned off at time the suspect was at the front door? Alarm company answered that for sure.
4) Why did PCSO uniform officers call for Homicide Unit when they were doing their welfare check?  You certainly would not call Homicide for blood droplets on a front porch.  Is there a larger crime scene within the house that would indicate a large pooling of blood, meaning that the amount of blood would indicate a possible loss of life.
5) Where was the DNA evidence found inside the house? Under a toilet seat, on a bathroom water faucet?  The subject was pretty well covered up to leave DNA.

The PCSO will probably not release any of the above in case they get a real suspect and interview.  They have been asked about dropping off and forced entry, "No Comment" That way the suspect can say I entered through ______, I assaulted her in the _____. Put all those above question/answers out there and the nuts cases will come out.

Far as the Ring camera question, her neighborhood is very nice, but in a very rural area.  The houses and their front doors sit like 200-300 feet from street, with no street lights (I believe).  Rings not gonna pick up anything on street.  Look at the Ring footage from her front door, picks up like 15 feet from front door, that's it. If you want to get footage and observe what the region looks like, go to On Demand on A&E and each a few episodes of "Desert Law" They follow the PCSO and film them while on patrol. 

PCSO has a Real Time Crime Center which they work with Tuscon PD.  I'm sure they went through camera footage and LPRs for coverage on the main street few miles away. Along with the backpack, holster, jacket purchases.

FBI pulled all data from the cell towers in the area and are determining whose cellphones hit on those towers during a certain time.  Takes long time, long time for that.  Get number, then what service, then a search warrant for ID, then criminal check, then maybe interview. DNA genealogy takes forever.

Motive? Who knows, need answers to above.  Ransom demands, unless specific regarding crime scene or victim gave up something real personal that only family knows.  PCSO not going to give that up.  Not like in 1973 when John Getty's grandson was kidnapped and he refused, until they cut his ear off and mailed it in.  They got payment and released. Glove found two miles from crime scene on side of the road, along with like 10 other gloves?  If so, and helps out PCSO, be a miracle.

You could bury a body in that large desert.  If six to seven feet (coyotes can't get to it) and then replant a cactus or foliage over it, would never find. Wishing all the best, but I'm guessing Homicide, not recovery. Publicity dying down, they have nothing.  But a high profile case of a national news host.

[MuggsyB]

It's a sad situation.  I can't imagine she's still alive.