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TAMU, Knower of Ball

I think regardless of what else happens this summer, I think two expectations need to remain the same for next season.

1. Top seed. We have been building for six years, the reward needs to be more than a bubble team.
2. Stability for the future. Wojo has to secure a solid recruiting structure moving forward. There needs to be a great 2020 class lined up so there is little to no drop off when Markus and others graduate.

He has to win on both fronts.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
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MU82

Agree, TAMU.

Those are both reasonable and demanding expectations.

Some Scoopers will say they are not demanding enough, but if Wojo meets those expectations he likely will be rewarded with a lengthy contract extension, whether some Scoopers like it or not.

Now, what is a "top seed"?

When I see that, I think top-3, but even top-5 means the team is considered one of the 20 best in the nation and that's not chopped liver. Definitely open for interpretation.
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Shooter McGavin

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 15, 2019, 09:48:53 AM
I think regardless of what else happens this summer, I think two expectations need to remain the same for next season.

1. Top seed. We have been building for six years, the reward needs to be more than a bubble team.
2. Stability for the future. Wojo has to secure a solid recruiting structure moving forward. There needs to be a great 2020 class lined up so there is little to no drop off when Markus and others graduate.

He has to win on both fronts.

+1

tower912

Assuming no one leaves and no serious injuries, I have high expectations.   
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

brewcity77

Quote from: tower912 on April 15, 2019, 09:58:55 AM
Assuming no one leaves and no serious injuries, I have high expectations.

I think TAMU's point may have been to brace against the possibility of those things happening.

NickelDimer

Make or break season for Wojo on and off the court
No Finish Line

Coleman

Quote from: MU82 on April 15, 2019, 09:54:13 AM
Agree, TAMU.

Those are both reasonable and demanding expectations.

Some Scoopers will say they are not demanding enough, but if Wojo meets those expectations he likely will be rewarded with a lengthy contract extension, whether some Scoopers like it or not.

Now, what is a "top seed"?

When I see that, I think top-3, but even top-5 means the team is considered one of the 20 best in the nation and that's not chopped liver. Definitely open for interpretation.

We were a 5 this year. I do not consider a 5 a "top seed"

1 or 2 is a top seed.

brewcity77

Quote from: Coleman on April 15, 2019, 10:08:40 AM
We were a 5 this year. I do not consider a 5 a "top seed"

1 or 2 is a top seed.

So we've never been a top seed in this history of NCAA tournament seeding.

Coleman

Quote from: brewcity77 on April 15, 2019, 10:13:13 AM
So we've never been a top seed in this history of NCAA tournament seeding.

If you are talking about in the 64 team era, correct.

The Sultan

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 15, 2019, 09:17:59 AM
I may need to apologize later for this

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 15, 2019, 09:48:53 AM
I think regardless of what else happens this summer, I think two expectations need to remain the same for next season.

1. Top seed. We have been building for six years, the reward needs to be more than a bubble team.
2. Stability for the future. Wojo has to secure a solid recruiting structure moving forward. There needs to be a great 2020 class lined up so there is little to no drop off when Markus and others graduate.

He has to win on both fronts.


I don't like the vibe I'm getting here.
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Golden Avalanche

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on April 15, 2019, 10:15:03 AM

I don't like the vibe I'm getting here.

$hit happens. The program moves forward.

The Sultan

Quote from: Golden Avalanche on April 15, 2019, 10:22:15 AM
$hit happens. The program moves forward.


But actually it wouldn't in this case.  Sorry but if what TAMU is hinting actually comes to pass, I'm moving myself over into the "time to find a new coach" side of the ledger.
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brewcity77

Quote from: Coleman on April 15, 2019, 10:14:58 AM
If you are talking about in the 64 team era, correct.

48, 64, any seeded team era, so it's pretty correct regardless.

NickelDimer

Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on April 15, 2019, 10:25:20 AM

But actually it wouldn't in this case.  Sorry but if what TAMU is hinting actually comes to pass, I'm moving myself over into the "time to find a new coach" side of the ledger.
Agreed. Maybe this is why we were talking to other coaches (if in fact we were)
No Finish Line

Coleman

Quote from: brewcity77 on April 15, 2019, 10:28:25 AM
48, 64, any seeded team era, so it's pretty correct regardless.

Teams were seeded in the 70s, albeit slightly differently (divided up between at larges and auto qualifiers). We were the #1 at large seed in the Mideast Region in 1978. I would certainly consider this a top seed.

The Sultan

Quote from: NickelDimer on April 15, 2019, 10:31:38 AM
Agreed. Maybe this is why we were talking to other coaches (if in fact we were)


It's not going to happen before next year, but if next year is what they were building toward, and it all falls apart before the season even begins, I would say that Wojo would have to perform *exactly* as expected.
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Juan Anderson's Mixtape

Coaches come and go.  Players come and go.  The only thing that doesn't change is my support of Marquette basketball.

My expectations and opinions have zero impact on the course of the program.   Whatever comes to pass, I will remain a fan.

Just my 2 cents.  I know others will feel differently.

MUFlutieEffect

Quote from: tower912 on April 15, 2019, 09:58:55 AM
Assuming no one leaves and no serious injuries, I have high expectations.

Such a simple statement, and means something so differently ~3 hours later...
The Flutie Effect: "A significant and positive correlation between a university having a successful team and higher quality of incoming freshmen, alumni donations, and graduation rates."

- The Economist, January 3rd, 2007

shoothoops

Expectations? Next year? Deep NCAA run. My expectations have not changed.  Those will be challenging to meet, yes. But my expectations at this point for the current regime are that. The minimum is a second weekend run. Anything less would not meet my expectations.

As a program, once again, almost annual NCAA's, mix in 2nd weekend, once in a while mix in a deeper run. It has been once in a while at this point.

The coach is the CEO of MU hoops. It's a business.

Now, as far as what happened? I will wait to find out facts.  I wish no ill will to the Hauser brothers. I am also uninterested in their future once they leave MU. Indifferent. The focus is on MU, getting better, player development, coaching development, recruiting, grad transfers, etc...

dgies9156

Until yesterday, I was solidly in the Coach Wojo camp. I saw what we had coming in and knew that if changes were made in the off-season and games improved, we had a chance for something special.

After yesterday, I think our program is a dumpster fire with burning toxic waste.

It's not prudent to fire Coach Wojo now but if we don't land a Top 20 recruiting class in September, it's over. Play out the year, find a coach who can coach and recruit -- and keep his players -- and bring him in.

If I'm wrong about next year and we're great, then I'll publicly apologize. But the defection of Team Hauser, probably to Roadkill land, is more than I can take. Coach Wojo had to know what was going on and he failed to control the situation. If he were an executive at most of our firms, he'd have been bounced immediately after the Team Hauser announcement.

Geez, the Cowboy looks really good right now! Is Kevin O'Neill available?  8-)

Brian Wardle could not be any worse.

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