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CRACKED SIDEWALKS 48 More Impact Transfers: MU (corrected) back in 2nd

Started by auburnmarquette, May 27, 2018, 02:43:20 AM

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auburnmarquette

(Due to catches on Thomas hiring an agent and Mahoney sitting out a year, Creighton drops back below MU)

I last wrote here about Joe Cremo's visit to Villanova - and not only did he sign there but Denzil Mahoney signed with Creighton several days later to get the Big East the top two Value Add pick-ups of the last several weeks. After business travel kept me from home for 26 of 28 consecutive days I finally returned to make hundreds of updates to the Value Add google doc and I will hope to have www.valueaddbasketball.com updated to correspond during the 3-day weekend.

Creighton's pick-up of Mahoney will move their projection ahead of Marquette to leave us third in the Big East - but Villanova and Creighton are waiting to see if players go to the NBA while Marquette is set. The following are the 48 players worth at least 2 more points per game who signed and/or left teams - or at least appear to be headed to a team if so noted - since Marquette completed its roster.

Rank, May Announcements, 2019 TEAM, Value Add, Notes

65, Joe Cremo #24, Villanova, 7.06, transfer from Albany^ SG

139, Denzel Mahoney #34, Creighton, 6.23, transfer from Southeast Missouri State SF

These and the next best 46 impact transfers are listed in table form on cracked sidewalks:

http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2018/05/48-more-impact-transfers-marquette.html
http://www.pudnersports.com/ for my blogs or articles and www.valueaddbasketball.com for for current and historic rankings.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Denzel Mahoney has to sit out next season so his added value doesn't move Creighton anywhere next season. Combine that with Thomas declaring and I don't see Creighton anywhere near third. If my math is correct, their value add for next season is 26.08, 8th in the Big East ahead of Seton Hall and DePaul.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
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Boozemon Barro

Creighton is going to suck next year. I predict we push our winning streak against them to 7.

brewcity77

A few that have made their decisions:

  • #6 - Luke Maye (UNC) will return to school.
  • #17 - Jerome Robinson (Boston College) hired an agent.
  • #19 - Tyler Davis (TAMU) hired an agent.
  • #25 - Khyri Thomas (Creighton) hired an agent.
  • #47 - Killian Tillie (Gonzaga) will return to school.
  • #58 - Sagaba Konate (West Virginia) will return to school.
  • #63 - James Palmer (Nebraska) will return to school.
  • #70 - Jordan Caroline (Nevada) will return to school.
  • #76 - Fletcher Magee (Wofford) will return to school.
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auburnmarquette

Good catches all, especially on Creighton who does plunge out of the tournament. Here is the national update and then where the Big East teams rank now.

http://www.pudnersports.com/2018/05/nba-draft-raid-of-nevada-villanova-and.html

Big East Team   Top 8 Value   Nat'l
Villanova   47.51   2
Marquette   33.13   23

BUBBLE
St. John's   28.52   45
Providence   27.99   49
Xavier   27.7   51
Butler   27.36   54

NIT
Creighton   22.35   80
Georgetown   21.86   86

NOTHING
Seton Hall   20.07   105
DePaul   19.42   117
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fjm

Quote from: auburnmarquette on May 27, 2018, 09:14:38 PM
Good catches all, especially on Creighton who does plunge out of the tournament. Here is the national update and then where the Big East teams rank now.

http://www.pudnersports.com/2018/05/nba-draft-raid-of-nevada-villanova-and.html

Big East Team   Top 8 Value   Nat'l
Villanova   47.51   2
Marquette   33.13   23

BUBBLE
St. John's   28.52   45
Providence   27.99   49
Xavier   27.7   51
Butler   27.36   54

NIT
Creighton   22.35   80
Georgetown   21.86   86

NOTHING
Seton Hall   20.07   105
DePaul   19.42   117

Ouch. Thank goodness games are not played on internet threads hey? Hoping some of those middle BEast teams are better than predicted.

brewcity77

A few more:

  • #40 - Oshae Brissett will return to school.
  • #41 - Yoeli Childs will return to school.
  • #43 - Aric Holman will return to school.
  • #45 - Chris Silva will return to school.
  • #75 - Quinndary Weatherspoon will return to school.
  • #101 - Josh Okogie hired an agent.
  • #103 - Dewan Huell will return to school.
  • #112 - Matt Morgan will return to school.
  • #127 - Melvin Frazier hired an agent.
  • #146 - Shake Milton hired an agent.
  • #165 - Barry Brown will return to school.
  • #168 - Torin Dorn will return to school.
  • #178 - Chris Clemons will return to school.
  • #183 - Rui Hachimura will return to school.
  • #218 - Matisse Thybulle will return to school.
  • #255 - Kerwin Roach will return to school.
  • #332 - Jacob Evans hired an agent.
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PGsHeroes32

Lazar picking up where the BIG 3 left off....

MU82

Quote from: auburnmarquette on May 27, 2018, 09:14:38 PM
Good catches all, especially on Creighton who does plunge out of the tournament. Here is the national update and then where the Big East teams rank now.

http://www.pudnersports.com/2018/05/nba-draft-raid-of-nevada-villanova-and.html

Big East Team   Top 8 Value   Nat'l
Villanova   47.51   2
Marquette   33.13   23

BUBBLE
St. John's   28.52   45
Providence   27.99   49
Xavier   27.7   51
Butler   27.36   54

NIT
Creighton   22.35   80
Georgetown   21.86   86

NOTHING
Seton Hall   20.07   105
DePaul   19.42   117

Curious and not trying to be a wise-arse at all (because I really don't know): How accurately did your scoring system predict this past season's Big East standings and tournament teams?
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Jay Bee

Quote from: MU82 on May 28, 2018, 02:40:37 PM
Curious and not trying to be a wise-arse at all (because I really don't know): How accurately did your scoring system predict this past season's Big East standings and tournament teams?

http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2017/09/st-johns-most-likely-to-replace-mu-to.html
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PJDunn

Reid Travis from Stanford has withdrawn from the draft and will now be a grad transfer.  Someone is going to jump way up on that list when he signs.

Herman Cain

Quote from: PJDunn on May 30, 2018, 09:57:53 AM
Reid Travis from Stanford has withdrawn from the draft and will now be a grad transfer.  Someone is going to jump way up on that list when he signs.
Maybe the Sacar connection can help the MU cause.
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GB Warrior

Quote from: PJDunn on May 30, 2018, 09:57:53 AM
Reid Travis from Stanford has withdrawn from the draft and will now be a grad transfer.  Someone is going to jump way up on that list when he signs.

God it'd be great to have an open scholly right now.

Galway Eagle

Quote from: GB Warrior on May 30, 2018, 10:28:16 AM
God it'd be great to have an open scholly right now.

Would be huge but i think it'd be better for 19-20 if we let Joey and Morrow get their time down low rather than have one year of a star that's gone the next.
Maigh Eo for Sam

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Looks like Kentucky is the frontrunner for Travis.

And what is Happ waiting for?  Need to know if I got to get my popcorn ready.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Poor Stanford. Thought this could be the year that they finally broke through and got back in the tourney. Now they will be lucky to be in the top 100.

Whoever gets Travis is getting a huge talent. If Kentucky lands him...and their declared trio all decide to return for another year....and Ashton Hagans reclassifies...That might be the deepest Kentucky squad ever.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

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Dr. Blackheart

Put this list in the BE Farewell thread too but this topic is drifting to those beyond the BE.  Staying, going and TBD

https://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2018/05/30/2018-nba-draft-early-entry-list-who-declared-who-is-returning-who-are-we-waiting-on/

brewcity77

Quote from: Lazar's Canadian Bacon Headband on May 30, 2018, 10:48:59 AM
Looks like Kentucky is the frontrunner for Travis.

And what is Happ waiting for?  Need to know if I got to get my popcorn ready.

Happ is coming back. Just announced by Woelful that he has withdrawn from the draft.
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brewcity77

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Silkk the Shaka

Am I reading this correctly that Losing Spellman & DD brings Nova below MU?

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on May 30, 2018, 03:24:56 PM
Am I reading this correctly that Losing Spellman & DD brings Nova below MU?

Not quite. When a team has an open roster spot, Value Add gives them a small point boost in order to balance out teams who might have a ton mediocre players. I think each open roster spot is worth like 2.5 points. So while Villanova loses like 15 points from OS and DD's departures, I think they gain about 5 for adding two open roster spots.

This is the same phenomenon that caused Marquette to lose points when they signed McEwen. He adds 0 points for the next season and takes away a roster spot so Marquette lost a couple of points.

Auburn, correct me if I'm wrong.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

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Newsdreams

Quote from: brewcity77 on May 30, 2018, 11:40:24 AM
Happ is coming back. Just announced by Woelful that he has withdrawn from the draft.
Darn what I'm going to do with all the popcorn
Goal is National Championship

Silkk the Shaka

Quote from: TAMU McEwen on May 30, 2018, 03:35:11 PM
Not quite. When a team has an open roster spot, Value Add gives them a small point boost in order to balance out teams who might have a ton mediocre players. I think each open roster spot is worth like 2.5 points. So while Villanova loses like 15 points from OS and DD's departures, I think they gain about 5 for adding two open roster spots.

This is the same phenomenon that caused Marquette to lose points when they signed McEwen. He adds 0 points for the next season and takes away a roster spot so Marquette lost a couple of points.

Auburn, correct me if I'm wrong.

Interesting... thanks

Maybe we'll be slightly favored or a push at home against them then? I'll take it!

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on May 30, 2018, 04:31:12 PM
Interesting... thanks

Maybe we'll be slightly favored or a push at home against them then? I'll take it!

As rosters currently stand, I would expect to be slight home favorites over Nova.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

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