Breaking down Bucky

[Bo Ryan's Massage Therapist]

Lets take a look at the badgers roster:

1) Happ- great player sadly surrounded by a terrible cast

2) Davison- he flops more than a smallmouth bass loose in a boat.  Great player but I don't think his ceiling is as high as some might think.  He isn't overly athletic.  Will be good all 4 years

3) Pritzl- a 3 point sniper who can't shoot.  Not a high level DI player.  Adds nothing

4) Reuvers- too skinny and can't shoot worth a lick.  Appears to be overrated as a recruit the few times I've seen him.  Atrocious FG% for a big

5) Iverson- decent player for... the Horizon league.   Very athletic but can't do anything great other than the occasional highlight dunk

6) Moesch- never heard of him.  his stat line today: 0 pts, 0 reb, 0 assists, 0 steals, 0 blocks, 1 technical

7) Thomas- there's a reason he doesn't play

8) Van Vliet- wouldn't shock me if he transfers at the semester

9) AI- another likely transfer who adds nothing

10) Trice- average to below average big ten PG

11) Kobe King- significant talent who put up big numbers in preseason scrimmages but is not being utilized correctly. 

Summary:  throw in a decommit for 2018 and a miss in the tourney this year and this team is heading no where but south.   I wouldn't want to join this mess if I were a recruit.

[hepennypacker5000]

Take it to the Superbar this one is for Marquette basketball.

[CreanLover]

Great win. The transformation from a Big East roster/style to an ACC roster/style is nearly complete.

[Stretchdeltsig]

Hard is simply not a recruiter not a good enough coach to make 1 or 2 star players better.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Every coach has to rebuild - some get short a reprieve like Buzz and some get the 'dumpster fire' on day one like Wojo. 

I don't know if Gard is going to make it but like every coach the next 24 months are critical.

[Tugg Speedman]

With every Coach you learn something about them in the first six months.  When Wojo still had a head coaching record of 0-0 he landed Henry Ellenson (the commitment).  He also brought in a Carlino.  And despite a 13-19 record he landed Rowsey (transfer), Heldt, Amin, Hannif and Traci Carter.

Yes, a couple of guys left but he showed that he could recruit with no experiences and one bad season.

Buzz showed he could take Crean's team and still get them to a top 10 ranking (2008) and potentially more if DJ does not break his foot.  He also brought in some guy named Jimmy Butler (along with Fulce) within days after being named head coach.

Point is it takes time but right away you can see they have something in their recruits or how they get their team to outperform.

Holtzman at Butler is another name that comes to mind.

So in year 3, what has Gard done?  Has he recruited?  He whiffed on Stone, J Hauser and had Herro decommit.  Has he outperformed with his talent?  I say no. A new coach with S16 in both his first two years should have Stone, Hauser, Hauser and Herro in the fold.  That should be his base to get even more talent.  Bottom line is Gard flat out cannot recruit.

My guess is Bucky will not fire him this year, which means this year and next are lost. Couple that with a crappy recruiting class for 2018 and 2019, andsome transfers when the existing players see where this is going, and Bucky has a long run of being "Nebraska" basketball.

[NCMUFan]

Great win. The transformation from a Big East roster/style to an ACC roster/style is nearly complete.

The type of team isn't important.
I thoroughly enjoyed the team of DJ, McSteal, Wesley and Lazar (only if they had a center).
Who didn't enjoy Jae, Jimmy, the Ox, Junior, DJO.
Kudos to this team also.

[jsglow]

With every Coach you learn something about them in the first six months.  When Wojo still had a head coaching record of 0-0 he landed Henry Ellenson (the commitment).  He also brought in a Carlino.  And despite a 13-19 record he landed Rowsey (transfer), Heldt, Amin, Hannif and Traci Carter.

Yes, a couple of guys left but he showed that he could recruit with no experiences and one bad season.

Buzz showed he could take Crean's team and still get them to a top 10 ranking (2008) and potentially more if DJ does not break his foot.  He also brought in some guy named Jimmy Butler (along with Fulce) within days after being named head coach.

Point is it takes time but right away you can see they have something in their recruits or how they get their team to outperform.

Holtzman at Butler is another name that comes to mind.

So in year 3, what has Gard done?  Has he recruited?  He whiffed on Stone, J Hauser and had Herro decommit.  Has he outperformed with his talent?  I say no. A new coach with S16 in both his first two years should have Stone, Hauser, Hauser and Herro in the fold.  That should be his base to get even more talent.  Bottom line is Gard flat out cannot recruit.

My guess is Bucky will not fire him this year, which means this year and next are lost. Couple that with a crappy recruiting class for 2018 and 2019, andsome transfers when the existing players see where this is going, and Bucky has a long run of being "Nebraska" basketball.

I think that's right.  I think they're in a heap of trouble.

[GGGG]

I think that's right.  I think they're in a heap of trouble.

In 11 months, Marquette is going to have four additional players who are going to provide a lot of balance to the roster...not to mention a lot of talent.  Losing Rowsey will hurt.

Madison will have...who exactly?  I don't want to crow too much, and I can see some hope for them in their younger players, but their next 18 months look a little bleak.

[jsglow]

In 11 months, Marquette is going to have four additional players who are going to provide a lot of balance to the roster...not to mention a lot of talent.  Losing Rowsey will hurt.

Madison will have...who exactly?  I don't want to crow too much, and I can see some hope for them in their younger players, but their next 18 months look a little bleak.

Yep.

[MomofMUltiples]

So in year 3, what has Gard done?  Has he recruited?  He whiffed on Stone, J Hauser and had Herro decommit.  Has he outperformed with his talent?  I say no. A new coach with S16 in both his first two years should have Stone, Hauser, Hauser and Herro in the fold.  That should be his base to get even more talent.  Bottom line is Gard flat out cannot recruit.

Come on, now. We all know that Stone would've gone to UW if he could've met the superior academic requirements. And they couldn't offer Sam because they really needed a point guard. Bo told Sam to wait until spring, but he didn't want to wait. No Sam, no Joey. And now we're hearing that Tyler refused to retake his ATC to improve in his score of 17, so he was gone, too. 

[CreanLover]

The type of team isn't important.
I thoroughly enjoyed the team of DJ, McSteal, Wesley and Lazar (only if they had a center).
Who didn't enjoy Jae, Jimmy, the Ox, Junior, DJO.
Kudos to this team also.

I loved those teams! I'm simply pointing out that this team plays ACC style basketball. I really like this squad!

[tower912]

Couldn't the thread be retitled "Bucky breaking down"?

[forgetful]

The type of team isn't important.
I thoroughly enjoyed the team of DJ, McSteal, Wesley and Lazar (only if they had a center).
Who didn't enjoy Jae, Jimmy, the Ox, Junior, DJO.
Kudos to this team also.

When I look at Elliott and Sacar, I see a little some comparisons to McSteal and Wesley.  The main difference right now is that both Elliott and Sacar need to work on their ball handling and range.

[Oldgym]

Couldn't the thread be retitled "Bucky breaking down"?

I think the OP knew exactly what he was doing.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Madison will have...who exactly?  I don't want to crow too much, and I can see some hope for them in their younger players, but their next 18 months look a little bleak.

Theoretically, they return everyone for next year's season. Another year of development for guys like Davison, King, Trice, Ford, and Reuvers could be enough to get them back in the tournament. But their 2018 recruiting class is bad.

2019 recruiting is going to be what saves or kills Greg Gard and the rodent. The Badgers currently have 6 openings in their 2019 class and to date Gard has employed a very targeted approach to recruiting. He seems to only go after one guy per opening which bit in him the rear with Joey and Herro. Their top targets are DJ Carton out of Iowa, Nobal Days out of Racine, and Matthew Hurt from Minnesota. Hurt ain't going there, he's a top 5 kid with a brother at Minnesota. Its blue blood or Golden Gophers for him. And guess who is also recruiting Carton and Days? If they were watching the beatdown yesterday...and we win again next season....which team might they prefer to play for?