If these stats are correct, Fischer may have set a record...

[avid1010]

Last 2 games, MU has allowed 34% OR% by the opp.

Other Big East game, Luke had 5 DR. MU allowed 36.4% OR% by the opp

He is 7' tall, plays center, and hasn't had a defensive rebound in two games.  That's not okay.  I'd be willing to bet wojo would say the same.  I'm all for advanced stats...use them daily in my job...but you realize in working with stats that interpretation is still most important.  There's no excuse.

[Jay Bee]

He is 7' tall, plays center, and hasn't had a defensive rebound in two games.  That's not okay.  I'd be willing to bet wojo would say the same.  I'm all for advanced stats...use them daily in my job...but you realize in working with stats that interpretation is still most important.  There's no excuse.

That's not a reason to relegate him to the bench or to pretend he's not very valuable for this team to have on the court.

[brewcity77]

I'm all for advanced stats...use them daily in my job...but you realize in working with stats that interpretation is still most important.

So against Seton Hall, when he was effectively boxing out his guy, allowing Sam and JJ to get to rebounds while not getting rebounds himself, is that not part of this interpretation you're talking about? Should he not hold his guy off and go for the rebound himself?

[vogue65]

He is 7' tall, plays center, and hasn't had a defensive rebound in two games.  That's not okay.  I'd be willing to bet wojo would say the same.  I'm all for advanced stats...use them daily in my job...but you realize in working with stats that interpretation is still most important.  There's no excuse.

Different game plan, different stats.

[avid1010]

That's not a reason to relegate him to the bench or to pretend he's not very valuable for this team to have on the court.

Maybe...maybe not.  At some point you need to find a way to demand toughness from your team.  Buzz used the bench to teach lessons...I get that he is really all we have so it's difficult to so...and I like the kid...it's just disappointing that this discussion is taking place in his senior year.

[avid1010]

So against Seton Hall, when he was effectively boxing out his guy, allowing Sam and JJ to get to rebounds while not getting rebounds himself, is that not part of this interpretation you're talking about? Should he not hold his guy off and go for the rebound himself?

Yeah...they are taught to do both.  I've watched Wojo coach it. 

[brewcity77]

Yeah...they are taught to do both.  I've watched Wojo coach it.

Doesn't really answer the question. When he has a guy effectively boxed out and can see that Sam or JJ will get to the board, should he...

A. Abandon his box in order to fight his teammates off the ball so he is credited with defensive rebounds?
B. Hold his guy off and allow Marquette to gain possession?

Also...bear in mind that if you pick A, the additional side effect is the loss of possession when his own man, no longer boxed out, now has the opportunity to also fight for the ball.

[avid1010]

Doesn't really answer the question. When he has a guy effectively boxed out and can see that Sam or JJ will get to the board, should he...

A. Abandon his box in order to fight his teammates off the ball so he is credited with defensive rebounds?
B. Hold his guy off and allow Marquette to gain possession?

Also...bear in mind that if you pick A, the additional side effect is the loss of possession when his own man, no longer boxed out, now has the opportunity to also fight for the ball.

that's foolish.  no one coaches (individual or team rebounding) in terms of "boxes".  not even in a zone...that stops in middle school or with low level high school ball.   hell, if it makes you feel better, we'll all agree that fischer was just killing the box-outs against nova.  can't believe wojo had the nerve to bench him.

i've listened to bo, wojo, and izzo talk about individual and team rebounding and the need to release when the ball hits the rim.  izzo and wojo pushing their guards to release to the wings to start the break, while bo generally asked his guards to hold their box-out for a two-count after the ball hit the rim (as they didn't break as much).  all three have their bigs crash to the ball. 

generally speaking, the only time i've seen it coached differently is when you're severely out-sized.  i.e. you end up with a guard boxing out a center.  you can't send the guard to the rim, as the center can go over his back without fouling.  that's not the case with luke....ever. 

but hell, we'll play your game.  if fischer is properly rebounding his "box" it's amazing a ball didn't bounce to his "box" once in the last two games, and if he's clearing out his area for sam and jj to board we should see multiple one bounce rebounds, which are so common in college and NBA basketball compared to middle/high school right?!?! 

and then there is this...https://mobile.twitter.com/DanielJohnFitz/status/817951410415345665

and this...http://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2017/01/07/notes-tough-night-luke-fischer-loss/96309420/

[brewcity77]

Other than that we could all watch with our eyeballs as Luke held guys off for JJ and Sam. And at the same time, got 11 offensive boards.

Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see better on the defensive end from Luke, but when it comes to defensive rebounding, I don't care if he gets 1 or 100 boards as long as we as a team are rebounding well. And we don't do that without Luke contributing to that effort, even if you don't see it in the box score.

[avid1010]

Other than that we could all watch with our eyeballs as Luke held guys off for JJ and Sam. And at the same time, got 11 offensive boards.

Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see better on the defensive end from Luke, but when it comes to defensive rebounding, I don't care if he gets 1 or 100 boards as long as we as a team are rebounding well. And we don't do that without Luke contributing to that effort, even if you don't see it in the box score.

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Sh1t...if he was doing all that why did wojo bench him and Fitzgerald tell him to man up.

Luke is my new favorite boxer outer...thanks for helping me see the light.

[Boone]

Call me crazy, but I like my tallest player to grab a defensive board at least once every 50 minutes or so.