goodell strikes again

[rocket surgeon]

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/17856040/owners-concerned-nfl-handling-josh-brown-new-york-giants

  first and foremost-it is NEVER-EVER ok to abuse your wife, mistress, girlfriend, 2nd girlfriend, children, etc

    but does josh brown deserve what is probably going to amount to the "death penalty" to his career?  if one agrees to and abides by certain post-infraction guidelines set about by ANYONE but goodell as a probationary means to getting ones life and/or career back, should this be acceptable?  i'll take that one...yes.  mistakes are made.  i'm not sure where josh is with regards to his alcohol or substance abuse, but that could have been a big factor.  whatever...if he makes amends and shows remorse and his actions are consistent with the aforementioned, he should be given another chance.  right ray?  right leonard?  right donte? right pac-man?

as a side note-i guess journals do a lot of good, eyn'a?

as another side note-goodell is losing control of the ship.  seems he has been making the news quite a bit lately.  makes one wonder what he wants to run for next??  i think condi could do a better job   

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Forgive me if I'm misreading, I have a hard time on this site sometimes, but beating your wife (or husband or child) is not a mistake. Doing it on over 20 different occasions is not a mistake. Is not something you just make amends for and move on. I am very comfortable with Josh Brown getting the "career death penalty" provided the claims can be substantiated. In this case, it sounds like by his own admission, the claims are true. I would be more comfortable if he was given jail time. Disgusting excuse of a human being.

It is really sad that in the NFL letting the air out of a ball, taking a PED, using recreational drugs, or celebrating too much after a touchdown seems to be considered more serious than a player inflicting violence against a spouse. At least until the public at large becomes disgruntled enough.

[rocket surgeon]

Forgive me if I'm misreading, I have a hard time on this site sometimes, but beating your wife (or husband or child) is not a mistake. Doing it on over 20 different occasions is not a mistake. Is not something you just make amends for and move on. I am very comfortable with Josh Brown getting the "career death penalty" provided the claims can be substantiated. In this case, it sounds like by his own admission, the claims are true. I would be more comfortable if he was given jail time. Disgusting excuse of a human being.

It is really sad that in the NFL letting the air out of a ball, taking a PED, using recreational drugs, or celebrating too much after a touchdown seems to be considered more serious than a player inflicting violence against a spouse. At least until the public at large becomes disgruntled enough.

i very much appreciate your response, but i'm sure you didn't miss my very first sentence.  what i mean by "mistake" is what josh brown did was wrong-PERIOD.  i am also willing to put this physical misuse into perspective.  according to his journal (i think that's where i read it) he has been abusive to girls/women since he was 7.  clearly there are some real psychological issues as well as more recently some alcohol/drug issues as well.  the abuse wasn't reported until 2015 i believe?  yes, he should be penalized/punished.  combine the penalty-jail time, with some therapy, abstention from all drugs, etc. shouldn't one even be reconsidered for re-instatement?

   there is also the fact that no teams may even be willing to re-employ josh brown and that's ok.  but for the league to outright ban him without some type of due process or stipulations may be a little heavy in my mind.  if the open market doesn't want him, well then, he made his own bed.   

if someone were to rob and pistol whip a person, do you throw him in jail for the rest of his life without any other considerations being taken?  do you throw a drunk driver in jail for life?  i am an advocate for rehabilitation up to a point.  fool me twice....hey, i am a death penalty guy, but i've got to think there might be something left here in josh-the rest is up to him and/or another team.  this is a serious character flaw i admit, but is it one that cannot be corrected? 

if you've had some real personal experiences in this area, either directly or indirectly, i  can fully respect your position.  well, either way, i respect your decision.  i just think a case can be made to save his career.  should the league be allowed to be judge, jury and executioner for this situation or are they acting(wet finger in the wind) upon the political pressure du jour.  everything isn't always so cut and dried

[reinko]

i very much appreciate your response, but i'm sure you didn't miss my very first sentence.  what i mean by "mistake" is what josh brown did was wrong-PERIOD.  i am also willing to put this physical misuse into perspective.  according to his journal (i think that's where i read it) he has been abusive to girls/women since he was 7.  clearly there are some real psychological issues as well as more recently some alcohol/drug issues as well.  the abuse wasn't reported until 2015 i believe?  yes, he should be penalized/punished.  combine the penalty-jail time, with some therapy, abstention from all drugs, etc. shouldn't one even be reconsidered for re-instatement?

   there is also the fact that no teams may even be willing to re-employ josh brown and that's ok.  but for the league to outright ban him without some type of due process or stipulations may be a little heavy in my mind.  if the open market doesn't want him, well then, he made his own bed.   

if someone were to rob and pistol whip a person, do you throw him in jail for the rest of his life without any other considerations being taken?  do you throw a drunk driver in jail for life?  i am an advocate for rehabilitation up to a point.  fool me twice....hey, i am a death penalty guy, but i've got to think there might be something left here in josh-the rest is up to him and/or another team.  this is a serious character flaw i admit, but is it one that cannot be corrected? 

if you've had some real personal experiences in this area, either directly or indirectly, i  can fully respect your position.  well, either way, i respect your decision.  i just think a case can be made to save his career.  should the league be allowed to be judge, jury and executioner for this situation or are they acting(wet finger in the wind) upon the political pressure du jour.  everything isn't always so cut and dried

He is not going to get banned from the NFL.  Owners and GM's will make their own decisions on whether or not it is their own best business or team interest to employ this piece of filth.  My guess is the difference between Josh Brown and Joe Schmo kicker off the street is not large enough for a tesm to take that risk.

He put himself in this situation, and now he has to deal that the market (NFL teams), no longer think he has value.

[GGGG]

   there is also the fact that no teams may even be willing to re-employ josh brown and that's ok.  but for the league to outright ban him without some type of due process or stipulations may be a little heavy in my mind.  if the open market doesn't want him, well then, he made his own bed.   

If the NFL would have followed its own policy in the first place, this wouldn't be such an embarrassment for them.  As the article states:

"The NFL implemented a six-game suspension for domestic violence cases in 2014, though a player has yet to be punished for six games. The policy allows for aggravating circumstances that can make the suspension longer or mitigating circumstances that can make it shorter."

The NFL doesn't need to "ban" anyone.  Just apply this policy.  If teams decide to employ such players, that's their deal.  And I don't feel any sympathy for a player who can't find work.

[rocket surgeon]

i agree with all of this-thanks