Article about Ellenson being overrated covering U17 in Dubai

[Earl Tatum]

Yep, I wanted Stone, but not taking or passing his ACT or whatever, gives me doubts I didn't have before. His scoring average and
board play is pretty good when playing against D-4 competition. Scoring is real good when shooting 2-feet from the basket with dunks and layups. Will admit defense is very good. Comments were not meant to be racist. Am far from being that kind of person. Figure of speech. Sorry if I offended you guys. I wanted Stone in the worst way. "Sour Grapes". A player out in New York named Thomas Bryant at 6-10, 230, 4-star would be super. Guess MU doesn't have the "pull" anymore in that area. He has not committed.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Yep, I wanted Stone, but not taking or passing his ACT or whatever, gives me doubts I didn't have before. His scoring average and
board play is pretty good when playing against D-4 competition. Scoring is real good when shooting 2-feet from the basket with dunks and layups. Will admit defense is very good. Comments were not meant to be racist. Am far from being that kind of person. Figure of speech. Sorry if I offended you guys. I wanted Stone in the worst way. "Sour Grapes". A player out in New York named Thomas Bryant at 6-10, 230, 4-star would be super. Guess MU doesn't have the "pull" anymore in that area. He has not committed.

Thomas Bryant trimmed his list before Wojo even got her IIRC. It's not fair to expect Wojo to be able to grab any recruit under the sun

[keefe]

Miss Arkansas, I'm still going to have a good time.

[thekahoona]

Thank you, Keefe. I can always count on you!

[Earl Tatum]

Just mentioned Bryant's name from reading Rivals List. I AM A WOJO BACKER with my Wojo Warrior T-Shirt and MU Warrior Shirt.

[warriorfan 14]

i really don't trust or care what any of these so called recruiting experts say. i'll just wait till we see the recruits in a marquette uniform before i get excited or disappointed.

[Skatastrophy]

i really don't trust or care what any of these so called recruiting experts say. i'll just wait till we see the recruits in a marquette uniform before i get excited or disappointed.

5 year rule and all of that.

[MU82]

5 year rule and all of that.

Well, how 'bout at least a 1 or 2 year rule?

[ChicosBailBonds]

5 year rule and all of that.

There is a reason that the average first contract of a coach is...... 5 years

[GGGG]

There is a reason that the average first contract of a coach is...... 5 years

Mostly due to market forces.  Not because it takes 5 years to fully judge them.

[4everwarriors]

Contracts are for honest folks, ai na?

[DienerTime34]

http://www.nbadraft.net/10-things-we-learned-u17-world-championships-dubai

Still think he's a great get, but by the looks of it Stone is the better prospect both next season and in the NBA.

For the sake of argument, let's assume this report is true. Isn't that sort of great from a Marquette basketball standpoint, though? That Henry would be a guy always flirting with Big East POY but there are doubts about his athleticism that keeps him from jumping in the draft after one or two years. The guy could be our Tyler Hansbrough or Frank Kaminsky. Better than him being our Noah Vonleh.

[wadesworld]

For the sake of argument, let's assume this report is true. Isn't that sort of great from a Marquette basketball standpoint, though? That Henry would be a guy always flirting with Big East POY but there are doubts about his athleticism that keeps him from jumping in the draft after one or two years. The guy could be our Tyler Hansbrough or Frank Kaminsky. Better than him being our Noah Vonleh.

Considering we actually have a coach who would know how to use Noah Vonleh, I'd be plenty happy with Hank being that, ai'na?

[The Equalizer]

Mostly due to market forces.  Not because it takes 5 years to fully judge them.

Semantics. 

The primary market forces are that both the coach and school have incentives for not making a judgement for five years. 

The coach wants five years minimum before he's judged when taking over a disaster and needs to rebuild:
Year 1: Can't expect much, I'm playing with the former coach's recruits.  Can't judge me.
Year 2: My first recruiting class are all frosh--and they don't play much. Most of my rotation is still the old coach's recruits
Year 3: All my recruits still underclassmen--and half are only frosh. 
year 4: I should be delivering results by now, but you gotta give me through next year, when the whole team is mine.
Year 5: First year all players are my responsibility.

Consider the case of Kevin O'Neill as a perfect example as to why coaches want five year contracts:
Year 1: 16-13--only 2 more wins, 1 fewer loss than Dukiet's final season.
Year 2: 11-18--nearly as bad as Dukiet's worst season (10-18).  Would he really be comfortable being judged at this point?
Year 3: 16-13 - no post season.  Three years in, and his overall winning percentage is only marginally better than the despised Dukiet at .482 vs. .458 Despite SIGNIFICANTLY better recruiting, results are about what Dukiet gave us. Lucky for him nobody judged him after just three years.


And schools have incentives from the opposite direction.  Five year contracts give them at least some protection from situations where the new coach takes over a strong program and does well in the first few years: Consider Mike Deane
Year 1: 21-12
Year 2: 28-8
Year 3: 22-9
Year 4: 20-11 Wow, that cumulative .695 winning percentage suggests he's the real deal after four years.
Year 5: 14-15  Hmm.  Finally playing with his own players and recruiting doesn't look so hot either. Different story

So five year timeframe IS the market force that drives those initial contracts.