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Quote from: Richard Shaw's Retired Number on January 21, 2016, 09:29:21 PM

100% agree. I have my own personal reservations about Wojo but those aside, he needs to completely revamp his assistants. What exactly do Chris carrawell or Travis diener give us?  Nelson - I think he might belong as a natural recruiter but the other two are zeros.

Travis is not an assistant.
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Lennys Tap

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 21, 2016, 07:33:46 PM
Ask his players about their opinion of Wojo. That'll give you the answer. Wojo told the admins that it would take years to rebuild, but he promised long term success. We're on the right path

1. How Wojo's players PLAY for Wojo is more important than how they FEEL about him.

2. How many years? Do you really think the administration (or Wojo himself) thought we'd be this bad this year?

I like Wojo and am pulling for him but I'm sure he'd be the first to tell you this year's team is not meeting expectations.

ChicosBailBonds

Quote from: Jay Bee on January 21, 2016, 09:01:29 PM
(sic) No. Let's stop pretending the RPI is a simple calc and an RPI ranking can be thrown out as 'if you do this, it'll be this.' Please use 'approximately,' etc type language always.

I thought that was understood.  I also said on pace, but of course you are correct that many things can still happen.  If we win the games the predictor says and we lose the games the predictor says and everyone else does the same thing, we will pace about that number.  The reality is that some of the predictions will be wrong, so is the swag about 20 spots either way?  30?  40?  I don't know, but the swag will get smaller as the number of games diminishes. 

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 21, 2016, 09:57:50 PM
1. How Wojo's players PLAY for Wojo is more important than how they FEEL about him.

2. How many years? Do you really think the administration (or Wojo himself) thought we'd be this bad this year?

I like Wojo and am pulling for him but I'm sure he'd be the first to tell you this year's team is not meeting expectations.

I know it sucks to lose to Depaul but the team is fine. Were not playing bad, assuming you had reasonable expectations of the team. We have two losses I would call unexpected, Depaul and Seton Hall. We have three wins I would call unexpected, LSU, at Wisconsin, and at Providence. Math comes out in our favor.

You are right that Wojo would be the first to say he isnt meeting expectations. But hed also know that his personal expectations arent realistic.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
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Norm

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 21, 2016, 11:07:06 PM
I know it sucks to lose to Depaul but the team is fine. Were not playing bad, assuming you had reasonable expectations of the team. We have two losses I would call unexpected, Depaul and Seton Hall. We have three wins I would call unexpected, LSU, at Wisconsin, and at Providence. Math comes out in our favor.

You are right that Wojo would be the first to say he isnt meeting expectations. But hed also know that his personal expectations arent realistic.
I would only say the Providence game is an unexpected win. LSU and WI were definitely beatable.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: Norm on January 21, 2016, 11:15:58 PM
I would only say the Providence game is an unexpected win. LSU and WI were definitely beatable.

If you truly think that (lsu i could see but AT wisconsin? No way) Then the Seton Hall loss could be labeled as expected. Math still come out at one to one.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
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vogue65

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Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 21, 2016, 02:50:56 PM
Remember when Wojo was hired? Most of us were still reeling from the Shaka fiasco but were told "Fear not, Wojo blew 'em away in the interview - we caught a break when Shaka's wife got cold feet". This may or may not prove to be true - I'm not making judgements about ultimate success or failure yet - but it begs an important question. Just how did Wojo "blow 'em away, hit a grand slam" in that interview? I've been listening to him speak for 18 months and I've yet to be blown away. He LOOKS like your dream coach - in shape, tastefully dressed, etc.. but in those 18 months I've never heard him say anything interesting or insightful. Nothing that makes me think "This guy is really SMART". Maybe he fails safe to "coach speak" to avoid controversy. Maybe the administration likes it that way. Maybe I just prefer characters like Al or Buzz. But I think humor, creativity and thinking outside the box are indications of intelligence and are necessary for leadership. Hoping that Wojo has it and that he lets it show - but for now, I'm wondering...

I agree the Wojo hire speaks more to who the board is or think they are than who Wojo is.

The university has an image it wants to project and Wojo fits the bill.  Marquette is not a liberal arts university and does not promote thinking outside the box or creative thinking.  It is about getting kids prepared for good jobs mostly in health care or engineering/business/law.  Creative, eccentric, outside the box types need not apply.   Back in the days of Father Walsh and McGuire it was a very different environment.

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Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 21, 2016, 11:07:06 PM
hed also know that his personal expectations arent realistic.

Coaches, above all, need to be pragmatists. If his expectations are not realistic then the season will be a massive failure. He needs to plan for the possible and not the mystical.

I agree with Lenny that while I am pulling for Wojo I also believe that everyone associated with the program is shaking their head at where we are at as of today. We need to be better than this.



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Norm

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 21, 2016, 11:49:38 PM
If you truly think that (lsu i could see but AT wisconsin? No way) Then the Seton Hall loss could be labeled as expected. Math still come out at one to one.
LSU was not playing well before we met them and WI was also playing terribly - with two loses on their home court before we beat them.

vogue65

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Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 21, 2016, 09:57:50 PM
1. How Wojo's players PLAY for Wojo is more important than how they FEEL about him.

2. How many years? Do you really think the administration (or Wojo himself) thought we'd be this bad this year?

I like Wojo and am pulling for him but I'm sure he'd be the first to tell you this year's team is not meeting expectations.

I think Wojo knows basketball and world recruiting, has a good reputation and all that.  I don't think he knows the BIG East and the reffing yet.  He is learning.

I think the refereeing hurts Big East teams in the big dance.  I think refereeing in college basketball is inconsistent from one league to another.

willie warrior

Quote from: WarriorPride68 on January 21, 2016, 04:29:49 PM
Crean made Final 4 in year four. I'll take that with Wojo :)
So would any of us. Given where we are right now, the question would be--is there any chance? That 2003 FF team had some real studs: Wade, Diener, Merritt, a Frosh that was unconscious at draining 3's, and then some great complementary players. This current team has nobody like that. HE, most believe will be gone before year 4 of Wojo, and none of the current guys approaches others from that 03 team. And what incoming recruits approach any of those 03 players. Yes, all would take a FF in year 4, but that does not appear on the horizon--unless we hold out both hands and wish in one....
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Dawson Rental

Quote from: mu-rara on January 21, 2016, 08:39:36 PM
Buzz had a short shelf life.  Wojo is playing the long game.

Clearly said, complete
Short and direct to the point
Good as a haiku
You actually have a degree from Marquette?

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No...and after reading many many psosts from people on this board that do...I have to say I'm MUCH better off, if this is the type of "intelligence" a degree from MU gets you. It sure is on full display I will say that.

Meathead

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 21, 2016, 07:33:46 PM
Ask his players about their opinion of Wojo. That'll give you the answer. Wojo told the admins that it would take years to rebuild, but he promised long term success. We're on the right path

What kind of administration hires somebody who sets a low bar for performance in the initial stages, for the "promise" of long term success - when said person has NEVER produced such success elsewhere?   Answer:  The same administration who rewards the hire with a contract extension 18 months into the job that has produced a last place finish in his business unit, while tracking effectively toward another last place finish in year two.

It's one thing to believe such a statement if it comes from a head coach with a proven track record of rebuilding programs.  But it is a totally different matter when it comes from a career assistant who has gotten to work in a program that has routinely had the best of the best talent coming into it. 

I hope Wojo gets it figured out, but from all available data he seems entirely over his head from both a coaching and player personnel perspective.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: Meathead on January 22, 2016, 11:38:26 AM

I hope Wojo gets it figured out, but from all available data he seems entirely over his head from both a coaching and player personnel perspective.

Isnt his recruiting and the rapport hes built with his players data that says hes not over his head?
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
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Lennys Tap

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 22, 2016, 11:58:58 AM
Isnt his recruiting and the rapport hes built with his players data that says hes not over his head?

Again, I'm confused by the phrase "the rapport he's built with his players". What does that mean? That they like him? That our players are having a nice experience? I want our players to have a coach who inspires them. A coach who can push them to heights they never thought possible. Someone that they may hate in the moment but be grateful for 5, 10 or 20 years from now. A head coach shouldn't be your "buddy" - that's the job of an assistant.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 22, 2016, 12:50:21 PM
I want our players to have a coach who inspires them. A coach who can push them to heights they never thought possible. Someone that they may hate in the moment but be grateful for 5, 10 or 20 years from now

Talk to the players. Theyll confirm that this describes Wojo.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
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Meathead

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 22, 2016, 11:58:58 AM
Isnt his recruiting and the rapport hes built with his players data that says hes not over his head?

Wojo has and is doing well with his recruiting, that is the one aspect of his performance thus far that gives me hope.  However, how he's managed minutes, game situations, and the available talent in the program when he accepted the position - and the resulting records are concerning.

You could also make the point on the contrary that Wojo didn't build such a good rapport with the four players who left the program within his first year on the job - and arguably two of the four players that left were very capable contributors:  Mayo, Burton.  Dawson appears to be playing very well for his new team, though a very low tier program/conference - the same conference Rowsey transferred in from.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: Meathead on January 22, 2016, 01:29:53 PM
You could also make the point on the contrary that Wojo didn't build such a good rapport with the four players who left the program within his first year on the job - and arguably two of the four players that left were very capable contributors:  Mayo, Burton.  Dawson appears to be playing very well for his new team, though a very low tier program/conference - the same conference Rowsey transferred in from.

Wojo wasnt given option to keep Mayo. Mayo didnt leave he was dismissed. Dawson wasnt going to get playing time. Taylor doesnt really count because he would of transferred if Buzz had stayed. Burton was an unfortunate loss but not unexpected when a new coach takes over.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
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