Developing outside shooting

[NotAnAlum]

Anyone who watched the Creighton game last night had to be impressed with their shooting.  Given our personnel I thought we played them about as well as we could.  For the first 5 minutes they got some open looks (and they hit every one).  Then it was clear MU got the message that they simply couldn't leave anyone on the perimeter and that of course opened up the middle.  And its not like they were just hot.  They do this all the time.  Look at what they have done to Nova in 2 games.
And its not just McBuckets and Wragge.  Even the guys coming off the bench looked to be very good shooters  And its not just stand still set shots.  On the move if a Creighton player got a look at the rim it pretty much always went in.
So my question is this.  Is this something that can be taught if you have the right coaching and place an emphasis on it.  For years (removing Lazars last year with the Midgets) MU has been known as not the greatest outside shooting team.  Was every guy that Creighton recruited just destined to be a great shooter.  At other programs players improve their outside shooting in their four years in school.  Look at Frank K at Wis.  He is much better than he was.  In general it seems Wisconsin kids improve.  Our record at MU on this is kind of spotty.  Vander got better but he was terrible to begin with and rose to ok.  Juan and Derrick haven't improved.  Junior didn't get much better in his 4 years.  Jae improved a lot his senior year.  On the other hand DJO was very good his first year but didn't get much better.
It appears that Buzz is putting greater emphasis on recruiting shooters and rightly so because recently our biggest big game melt downs have been caused by the inability to hit outside shots (see the Syracuse Elite 8 game).  But even when we do get a recruit with a rep as a shooter such as JJJ it seems he gets to MU and suddenly can't shoot.  Is there something we are doing wrong on the development side?   

[MattyWarrior]

Yeah, the coaching turnover didn't help. Show me a player for MU with good to great shooting form and /or confidence.
all the great recruiting classes we have had and we get beat with 2 star players. DePaul played CU better than we did.

[The Equalizer]

Our record at MU on this is kind of spotty.  Vander got better but he was terrible to begin with and rose to ok.  Juan and Derrick haven't improved.  Junior didn't get much better in his 4 years.  Jae improved a lot his senior year.  On the other hand DJO was very good his first year but didn't get much better.
It appears that Buzz is putting greater emphasis on recruiting shooters and rightly so because recently our biggest big game melt downs have been caused by the inability to hit outside shots (see the Syracuse Elite 8 game).  But even when we do get a recruit with a rep as a shooter such as JJJ it seems he gets to MU and suddenly can't shoot.  Is there something we are doing wrong on the development side?   

Actually Jae shot 35.9% on treys his junior year, and declined to 34.5% his senior year.   He shot a lot more (177 attempts vs. 117), so he made more.  But he didn't improve his outside shooting touch.

[mu-rara]

I don't know.  I think shooting is learned, not inherited. Not saying you can't learn it later, but the best seem to have it in HS already.

Seems like golf.  If you learn proper form at an early age you've got it.

Is there a correlation between being a coaches kid and being a dead eye shooter (Novak, McBuckets)?

[wadesworld]

Yeah, the coaching turnover didn't help. Show me a player for MU with good to great shooting form and /or confidence.
all the great recruiting classes we have had and we get beat with 2 star players. DePaul played CU better than we did.

So?  What does that have to do with anything?  We beat DePaul.

We've played Creighton better both times than Villinova did either time.  Does that mean we're better than Nova?  Must be a top 10 team.

[Tugg Speedman]

So?  What does that have to do with anything?  We beat DePaul.

We've played Creighton better both times than Villinova did either time.  Does that mean we're better than Nova?  Must be a top 10 team.

+1

Last night was also one of the biggest upsets in college basketball history ... 7-18 Boston College beat 25-0 Syracuse.

So what does this prove?  How about nothing.

So, what does DePaul playing Creighton tougher than us (and still losing) mean?  How about nothing?

[Windyplayer]

+1

Last night was also one of the biggest upsets in college basketball history ... 7-18 Boston College beat 25-0 Syracuse.

So what does this prove?  How about nothing.

So, what does DePaul playing Creighton tougher than us (and still losing) mean?  How about nothing?

This is borderline existential, maaaaan.

[Coleman]

+1

Last night was also one of the biggest upsets in college basketball history ... 7-18 Boston College beat 25-0 Syracuse.

So what does this prove?  How about nothing.

So, what does DePaul playing Creighton tougher than us (and still losing) mean?  How about nothing?

LIFE HAS NO MEANING?!

[NotAnAlum]

Who cares what DePaul does, they aren't the model for anything.
Lets not highjack the thread.  
Back to Shooting

[bilsu]

Both Wisconsin and Creighton design their offense to shoot threes. I watched Wisconsin enough time to see that their players always have their feet set when they have a chance to get a pass and shoot the three. In MU's offense the three is an after thought. Players are not setting up to be in position to shoot the three. Put MU players in UW's or Creighton's system, I believe they would shoot better, but not significantly, because overall they are not good shooters. Leave an MU player wide open and he is not likely to hit the three. Creighton was basically automatic when left wide open.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

One note for the OP, JJJ was never repped as a shooter. A slasher and a scorer, but not a shooter.

I think Buzz will take athleticism over skill any day of the week. In theory, this works because skills can be taught easier than athleticism can be developed, but I think Buzz is learning that you need to compliment those athletic players with guys who can shoot the ball....or get athletes who can do both.

I think Ahmed Hill could be exactly what the doctor ordered. A freak athlete who can also hit the trey (didn't he just nail 11 in a game or something?)

[Tugg Speedman]

One note for the OP, JJJ was never repped as a shooter. A slasher and a scorer, but not a shooter.

I think Buzz will take athleticism over skill any day of the week. In theory, this works because skills can be taught easier than athleticism can be developed, but I think Buzz is learning that you need to compliment those athletic players with guys who can shoot the ball....or get athletes who can do both.

I think Ahmed Hill could be exactly what the doctor ordered. A freak athlete who can also hit the trey (didn't he just nail 11 in a game or something?)

Isn't Luke Fisher and Duane Wilson supposed to be shooters too?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Isn't Luke Fisher and Duane Wilson supposed to be shooters too?

Wilson yes. Fischer no. Fischer can shoot it well for a 6"11 kid. But he's no ace