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Who would you rather have on the free throw line?

Chris Otule
Derrick Wilson

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: mubuzz on February 20, 2014, 08:11:38 AM
You don't expect our starting pg to hit his ft's? At the absolute bare minimum he needs to be hitting at 65 percent. It's actually disheartening that you have come to accept this type of mediocrity.

Again, you don't understand.

Derrick is who is. He is a 50% foul shooter. There is no magic remedy for him to get better at FTs. Yes, his FT shooting hurt us last night, but we have won before when he has shot that bad.

We lost last night because in addition to him shooting poorly from the FT, we also had good FT shooters missing.

I'm not disagreeing with you on Derrick being a liability. I'm just saying I'm more disappointed in our good FT shooters than I am in our bad ones.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


willie warrior

Quote from: CTWarrior on February 20, 2014, 09:23:40 AM
Ugh.  There's a flip side to that.  That would mean he'd have to watch us shoot threes for a week.  Maybe his stomach can't handle it.
But..but..maybe our 3 point shooting will improve.
I thought you were dead. Willie lives rent free in Reekers mind. Rick Pitino: "You can either complain or adapt."

TAMU, Knower of Ball

This loss has shown how reactionary fans are. In the last three games we shot what? 91% from the FT line. But because of one bad game we are terrible. Derrick has three games in a row of stellar (for him)/average (for most BEast PGs) and one game where he actually did pretty well and he is back to whipping boy status.

The one positive is that the Jake critics haven't come out of the woodwork yet. Who knew that all he had to do was make a few twos in a game.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


willie warrior

Quote from: CTWarrior on February 20, 2014, 09:33:38 AM
To address your anticpated comments one by one.
1. I really think Buzz doesn't have a better option at point, but when the defense decides, like last night, that they aren't going to guard Derrick, we should at least try someone else.
2. Derrick has definitely been improving.  The improvement is in his approach rather than his skillset, however, so I do think he is moving very close to his ceiling.
3. Buzz DOES know more than we do about his team, including who should be the PG.
4. Almost always Dawson would not do better, but against a defense that does not try to turn you over like Creighton, he is a viable option.
5. Derrick IS a good kid and Creighton IS better.
6. I would desribe you, in the words of Eric Cartman, as a "Negative Nancy," not an idiot.
7. Our talent is quite good, but it is just not complementary.  Not enough shooters, not enough guys who can take it to the hole and finish.
If our talent is "quite good", how do you explain 11 losses already? Where does coaching come into this?
As far as "Negative Nancy", I call these games as I see them. Our ass got kicked last night because we could not defend the three, and they packed it into the paint due to ineffective PG play. Sorry if that is "negative". I consider it as objective, and these things should be corrected by this time in the season. And as I predicted, the defense of PG play and Buzz would take less than half a day. And our performance will continue next year unless the Coach figures out a way to remedy it--and 40 minutes for the PG is not a remedy
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CTWarrior

Quote from: willie warrior on February 20, 2014, 10:25:41 AM
If our talent is "quite good", how do you explain 11 losses already? Where does coaching come into this?

I thought I did.  Our talent is not complementary.  We have too many athletic guys who can't shoot.  Too many of the same kinda guy.

And you're not a negative nancy for pointing out our issues, but rather for constantly and incessantly and exclusively pointing out our issues.  I happen to agree with a lot of what you say.
Calvin:  I'm a genius.  But I'm a misunderstood genius. 
Hobbes:  What's misunderstood about you?
Calvin:  Nobody thinks I'm a genius.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: willie warrior on February 20, 2014, 10:25:41 AM
If our talent is "quite good", how do you explain 11 losses already? Where does coaching come into this?
As far as "Negative Nancy", I call these games as I see them. Our ass got kicked last night because we could not defend the three, and they packed it into the paint due to ineffective PG play. Sorry if that is "negative". I consider it as objective, and these things should be corrected by this time in the season. And as I predicted, the defense of PG play and Buzz would take less than half a day. And our performance will continue next year unless the Coach figures out a way to remedy it--and 40 minutes for the PG is not a remedy

I absolutely believe this to be true.

I also know that you will "call em like you see them" when it is bad news for Marquette. You however will not "call em like you see them" when it is a positive for Marquette.

Now I don't think this is because you are against Marquette...Everyone knows you have been a Warrior forever. You just don't see the need to point out what everyone is already seeing.

However, if this is the kind of fan you are, you are going to be labeled as a negative nancy. It's not a bad thing, it just is.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


madtownwarrior

#31
agree with you but...

its painfully obvious this will not be a high level performing team with such glaring weaknesses at the PG spot.  sure - we can beat decent teams (like X) when he has his best game AND others play well.   but we will not be an elite team...

and next year, we lose our very talented big men and still have the same PG...



Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 20, 2014, 10:21:43 AM
This loss has shown how reactionary fans are. In the last three games we shot what? 91% from the FT line. But because of one bad game we are terrible. Derrick has three games in a row of stellar (for him)/average (for most BEast PGs) and one game where he actually did pretty well and he is back to whipping boy status.

The one positive is that the Jake critics haven't come out of the woodwork yet. Who knew that all he had to do was make a few twos in a game.

willie warrior

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 20, 2014, 11:07:19 AM
I absolutely believe this to be true.

I also know that you will "call em like you see them" when it is bad news for Marquette. You however will not "call em like you see them" when it is a positive for Marquette.

Now I don't think this is because you are against Marquette...Everyone knows you have been a Warrior forever. You just don't see the need to point out what everyone is already seeing.

However, if this is the kind of fan you are, you are going to be labeled as a negative nancy. It's not a bad thing, it just is.
BS Eagle-- I congratulated the team and specifically said that Derrick and Jake stepped up big against Xavier. And guess what Eagle--it needs to be pointed out "what everybody is seeing", because many people are not seeing it through their rose colored glasses. When the Warriors play well, I say so, and when they play poorly, the problems need to be pointed out
I thought you were dead. Willie lives rent free in Reekers mind. Rick Pitino: "You can either complain or adapt."

bilsu

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 20, 2014, 01:42:22 AM
It hurt us, but poor FT shooting is what we get from the every night. They lived up to their standard level of play. Mayo on the other hand is a much higher career free throw shooter and he shot like Chris and Derrick tonight.

I don't expect Derrick/Chris to make their FTs but I do expect Todd to
That is exactly what I was saying.

madtownwarrior

explain how having a guy who primarily handles the ball that can not make free throw does not hurt the team?

in any bonus situation, a team fouling Wilson has a 50% shot of actually having it be a turnover....

last night, the game was out of hand by the end.   imagine a close game...  they will be hacking derrick all the time...


Quote from: bilsu on February 20, 2014, 12:12:54 PM
That is exactly what I was saying.

NavinRJohnson

Quote from: Chris Columbo on February 19, 2014, 11:43:01 PM
Our free throw shooting is completely unacceptable. Buzz should have an entire practice spent shooting free throws.


ronald dragon

Quote from: willie warrior on February 20, 2014, 12:06:15 PM
BS Eagle-- I congratulated the team and specifically said that Derrick and Jake stepped up big against Xavier. And guess what Eagle--it needs to be pointed out "what everybody is seeing", because many people are not seeing it through their rose colored glasses. When the Warriors play well, I say so, and when they play poorly, the problems need to be pointed out
Your amount of posts after a loss compared to after a win is unreal willie

willie warrior

Quote from: weareMU13 on February 20, 2014, 02:50:52 PM
Your amount of posts after a loss compared to after a win is unreal willie
I wouldn't know--I did not count them--maybe you have. "Unreal". Think they are all real posts.
I thought you were dead. Willie lives rent free in Reekers mind. Rick Pitino: "You can either complain or adapt."

jesmu84

Quote from: weareMU13 on February 20, 2014, 02:50:52 PM
Your amount of posts after a loss compared to after a win is unreal willie

It's not just willie. Dreadman, Chris Columbo, mubuzz, Nevada....

bilsu

Quote from: madtownwarrior on February 20, 2014, 12:56:36 PM
explain how having a guy who primarily handles the ball that can not make free throw does not hurt the team?

in any bonus situation, a team fouling Wilson has a 50% shot of actually having it be a turnover....

last night, the game was out of hand by the end.   imagine a close game...  they will be hacking derrick all the time...


Sure it would help if Wilson was a good free throw shooter, but the team does not expect him to make them. When Mayo misses several it hurts the team, because they expect him to make them.

vogue65

The team looked "tight" to me and I question why are they so tight?  Just because a game is important does not mean that the team and coach has to get up-tight.

NersEllenson

Quote from: bilsu on February 20, 2014, 05:22:02 PM
Sure it would help if Wilson was a good free throw shooter, but the team does not expect him to make them. When Mayo misses several it hurts the team, because they expect him to make them.

Huh?  A missed FT is a missed FT...doesn't matter who misses it...sure, it was more surprising to see Mayo miss than Derrick and Otule....but, just because a team/coach may not "expect" a player to make a FT, doesn't minimize how costly it is to miss FTs..regardless of who shoots them..
"I'm not sure Cadougan would fix the problems on this team. I'm not even convinced he would be better for this team than DeWil is."

BrewCity77, December 8, 2013

towncryer

More often than not, teams that rebound, play tough defense, and make most of their free throws win games.  We didn't make free throws the way we are capable of doing last night.  It's not all that went wrong...getting stripped in transition to set easy buckets is painful...but if we make 30 instead of 20, it changes the complexion.  Creighton is a great front runner, but in tight games they don't look as unstoppable.

mattyv1908

Quote from: Ners on February 20, 2014, 06:09:25 PM
Huh?  A missed FT is a missed FT...doesn't matter who misses it...sure, it was more surprising to see Mayo miss than Derrick and Otule....but, just because a team/coach may not "expect" a player to make a FT, doesn't minimize how costly it is to miss FTs..regardless of who shoots them..


Thank you Ners

I'm glad someone picked apart the lack of logic in that post before I was forced to.
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